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Under Hagel-Martinez, illegals to receive yearly Government check for up to $4,700.
Congressional Record ^ | May 22, 2006 | Senator Jeff Sessions

Posted on 05/24/2006 6:57:28 AM PDT by Plutarch

Senate Floor Statement of Senator Sessions

SENATOR SESSIONS ON IMMIGRATION

Monday, May 22, 2006

Mr. SESSIONS. Mr. President, cloture has been filed on the immigration legislation, and I suspect cloture will be obtained on the immigration bill. We will have a vote later on in the week. The train is moving. People simply want to do something, and I suppose that is where we are headed….

I shared earlier thoughts about the large numbers and the CBO numbers in that amendment. I have discussed it. I would like to take a few moments to discuss the Earned Income Tax Credit (EITC) limit

This amendment would do two things. One, it would clarify existing law that makes illegal aliens ineligible to claim the earned income tax credit and postpones the ability of illegal aliens who are given status by this bill to claim the earned income tax credit until they become citizens. So the amendment is clearly a moneysaver. It is also a way to make sure that illegal aliens are more likely to contribute more in taxes than they are taking out. The inability to claim the earned income tax credit should be one of the things added to the list of items illegal aliens will have to agree to do in order to receive the benefits of the amnesties contained in title VI of the bill. Other items on the list include a background check, a medical check, and payment of back taxes, and being required to not claim the EITC until the illegal alien becomes a citizen is a natural addition to that list.

The EITC tax credit was established in 1975. It is a refundable tax credit for families that can offset income taxes or provide a tax credit directly to the family. According to IRS data for 2003, 22 million households received $39 billion in EITC payments, an average of $1,782 per household or $2,100 for any families with children.

Now, let me just repeat that. This is a huge Government program. And most of the low-income people don't owe any taxes. If you are making below $20,000 a year, you are unlikely to pay any income taxes. If you have children, you certainly are not going to be paying any income taxes. So how do you get a tax credit if you don't pay any taxes? Well, they send you a check. That is what they do. You file your tax return at the end of the year, and if you have worked and your income was lower, they send you a check. We looked at the numbers. If you are a minimum wage worker and you make around $14,000 a year, that family would receive a check, a subsidy from the Government of 4,700-and-some-odd dollars.

So this was designed to encourage Americans to work. It was a plan to make work more attractive for people on welfare. Do you remember all that talk: Well, you can make more money on welfare than you make working. So a brilliant Congress, a number of years ago, came up with this idea that we would just give people extra money if they would work. It will be less than welfare, so why not do it? OK. That is what we did. But it was not designed to reward illegal aliens for coming into the country illegally, for heaven's sake. But that is what this bill does. As soon as they get that regularized status, they get it.

Now, this would allow them to get the earned income tax credit if they become a citizen but not before. That is not required of us. It is not required of the Senate that we should provide a $2,000 bonus check to individuals who work in our country, who seem to be happy to get the wages they are being paid, a $2,000 bonus check from Uncle Sam as a result and as an incentive for coming into the country illegally. That is a really big issue.

To qualify for the credit, married couples filing jointly who earn certain sums of money would qualify. For example, a single mother with two children, the earned income tax credit provides a tax credit for 40 percent of every dollar earned, up to $11,340. A family that earned between $11,000 and $14,000 received a maximum credit of $4,536, not $4,700. After the floor of $14,810 is reached, the credit is slowly reduced until the income cap of $36,000 is reached. It is only then that it is eliminated. For 2006, the maximum amount of the earned income tax credit is $4,556 for a worker supporting two kids and $2,747 for a worker with one child, $4,012 for a child of eligible employees and adjusted for inflation.

Now, a Social Security number is required in order to reap the benefits of this tax credit, and those applying must have a valid Social Security number and be a resident alien. Valid Social Security numbers are given out to all legally working people in the United States--legally working aliens. Legal permanent residents and citizens have Social Security numbers.

Under the tax law, resident aliens are citizens of a foreign country who are either lawful permanent residents of the United States or have been physically present in the country for at least a certain specified amount of time during the past 3 years. They are taxed in the same manner as U.S. citizens, and thus they qualify for the refundable tax credits.

According to the IRS, under the residency rules of the Tax Code, any alien who is a nonresident alien--an alien will become a resident alien in one of three ways: No. 1, by being admitted to the United States as or changing in status to a lawful permanent resident under the immigration laws; No. 2, by passing a substantial presence test, a numerical formula which measures days of presence in the United States; or No. 3, by making what is called the first year election, a numerical formula under which an alien may pass the substantial presence test 1 year earlier than under the normal rules.

Under these rules, legally present work-authorized aliens who pass the substantial presence test will be treated, for tax purposes, as resident aliens. They are able, then, to claim EITC. Under these rules, even an undocumented illegal alien who passes the substantial presence test will be treated for tax purposes as a resident alien. If they are using a fraudulent Social Security number, they can apply for the EITC. If they are using a legal IDIF number, they cannot apply.

Under S. 2611, the bill before us today, if illegal aliens pay their taxes legally today, they do so with an individual taxpayer identification number they are given for tax purposes. The ITIN cannot currently be used to get the EITC because a Social Security number is required to claim the EITC. They are not eligible to get a Social Security number.

So under S. 2611, illegal aliens will become legally present and work authorized immediately upon passage of the act. They would then be given Social Security numbers and will pass the substantial presence test, making them automatically, at once, eligible to claim the very generous benefits of the EITC.

The Congressional Budget Office has looked at this and tried to figure out what the cost would be. American taxpayers would pay this. This would be a new cost on the taxpayers, created by the very bill that is before us today. Under the current legislation, in S. 2611 as initially offered and came out of the Judiciary Committee, the preliminary CBO score revealed the following about directed spending contained in the compromise. They say this:

CBO and Joint Tax Committee estimate that direct spending outlays would total about $8 billion for the first 5 years, 2007 through 2011, and $27 billion for the first 10 years. Most of those costs are for the earned-income tax credit and for Medicaid and food stamp programs. Costs in subsequent decades would be greater than in this first 10-year period.

``Costs in further decades would be greater than the first decade.'' Mr. Robert Rector of the Heritage Foundation has worked on numbers like this. He was the architect of the welfare reform. He said to us recently, a group of Senators: Senators, this is how this Government gets out of control. This is how things go wrong. You don't start out to pass a bill that is going to cost $29 billion. You don't think it through. You pass the legislation, and a new Congress 20 years from now wakes up and says: How did this ever happen? We don't have the money to pay for this. We made this obligation way long ago. How are we going to get out of it? Maybe we should cut back.

Then all the protests start because you can never cut a program, it seems.

He warned us about that. That is exactly what is happening with this particular provision in the legislation.

Once the Hagel-Martinez bill became S. 2611, I, along with five other Senators, asked CBO to provide a comprehensive score so we would know how much this amnesty provision would cost the taxpayers. The final CBO score estimates that, of the 2007-2016 period, 10 years, this bill would increase outlays for refunding tax credits $29.4 billion, the largest direct expenditure in the bill--$29 billion.

I had a conversation a few moments ago with a fine Senator who is concerned about spending. He was sincerely asking me about the cost of enforcement at the border and at the workplace in our country. Where are we going to get this money so we are not just putting it to our grandchildren? I don't know how much it is going to cost. We spend $40 billion now on homeland security every year. Maybe this is going to cost $5 or $6 billion. A lot of it will be one-time costs, setting up computer systems and border barriers and in purchases of equipment. A lot of that will be repetitive, like border patrol and bed spaces or removing people from the country. But it will not exceed $29 billion, trust me. It will be a fraction of that.

Mr. President, $29 billion is a lot of money under any circumstances, I have to tell you. You can buy three aircraft carriers for $29 billion. They have 4,000 people on them. Mr. President, $29.4 billion will be added. These refundable tax credits will include EITC and child tax credits, where most of the cost is clearly attributable to the EITC. To clarify, the credit first reduces an individual's tax liability. If the credit exceeds the tax liability, the excess is sent to the individual in the form of a check from Uncle Sam. These refunds are classified as outlays in the Federal budget. They are classified as outlays. They are not classified as tax deductions because they are, in fact, outlays. They are, in fact, payments from Uncle Sam sent in the form of a check to individual Americans.

In conclusion, I would note the bill increases the amount of refundable tax credits by increasing the number of resident aliens, people who are illegal today, converted to resident aliens. Although this bill grants amnesty to those who came illegally, it is not required, in my view, that they be absolved from all consequences of coming here illegally nor be provided every benefit we provide to those who come legally. Certainly nothing is strange or unusual in that.

If we decide to give certain benefits to people who came here illegally and not give them to others, what is wrong with that? For example, we are going to allow them to stay in the country. At least overwhelmingly, they will be able to stay in the country. We are going to forgive them for being prosecuted. Do we have to then also reward them for their illegal activity by providing a sizeable check every year from the Federal Government? No, you don't have to do that. If they become a citizen one day, fine, they are entitled to the same benefits of every other American citizen. But not in the interim.

My amendment clarifies existing law to make sure that illegal aliens--existing law--who pass the substantial presence test cannot use fraudulent Social Security numbers to claim the earned-income tax credit, and it postpones the ability of illegal aliens at a given status, some sort of legal status by the bill, to claim the earned-income tax credit until they become citizens. I believe that is the right approach. It is unthinkable that we would provide this kind of incentive when it really has no necessity.


TOPICS: Government; Mexico
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration
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To: Mo1

It is really shocking. I don't even know what to say, Mo1.


21 posted on 05/24/2006 7:52:53 AM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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To: visualops

Did you not have guilt because you were spending money that someone else had earned and that you did not?............Remember, the government has NO MONEY that someone did not earn through some endeavor to create wealth for themselves and their family..........


22 posted on 05/24/2006 7:55:57 AM PDT by Red Badger (Liberals ignore criminal behavior, reward sloth and revere incompetence...........)
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To: Plutarch

believe somebody detailed once on the floor of the Senate that one family brought in 85 under this system. It is not at all impossible to imagine. Can you see how it can happen? One person comes in, and as a result of the family connections he brought in 85. I think that was Senator Allen Simpson in the debate 20 years ago in 1986.

Just about says it all about an explosion in people legally.


23 posted on 05/24/2006 8:05:28 AM PDT by sheana
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To: Adder

We need to hammer on Frist and the rest of these @ssholes, that Sessions is the ONLY ONE we support and the only one who will get our moneys.


24 posted on 05/24/2006 8:21:34 AM PDT by newcthem (When are our congress-men going to start getting paid in Pesos?)
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To: All

I'm sending this thread to Hagel. And to Ken Mehlman, RNC Chair.

Ken's e-mail address:


Ken.Mehlman@rncchairman.org



25 posted on 05/24/2006 9:34:35 AM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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To: denydenydeny
None of this nonsense will survive conference.

Better that they don't conference at all. As Ben Franklin observed:

Neither a fortress nor a maidenhead will hold out long after they begin to Parley.

Nothing but BOHICA can come out of a conference in which the Hagel-Martinez Bill is sitting on the table.

26 posted on 05/24/2006 9:38:34 AM PDT by Turnabout
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To: Red Badger

At the time I was prolly just glad I got it, it's alot easier to excuse governmental generosity with other people's money when you are on the receiving end of course. That said, I don't have an issue with tax dollars going to useful things or to help people who need and appreciate it. I would rather give help to someone who is working and trying to improve their lot than give money to someone sitting at home collecting a check- or working under the table *and* collecting a check. As such it would be better to allow people to purchase certain items or take job training courses at discount or free than to hand someone cash.


27 posted on 05/24/2006 9:53:17 AM PDT by visualops (If you build it... www.visualops.com ...they won't come. Build the fence!)
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To: Peach; lemura
I'm sending this thread to Hagel. And to Ken Mehlman, RNC Chair.

Is this like reporting us to the hallway monitor, Peach? ;-)

28 posted on 05/24/2006 10:09:33 AM PDT by Plutarch
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To: RacerF150
That is the only thing that explains this bizarre behavior.

Another theory that explains this bizarre behavior:

The Senators are scared to death that they are going to wind up cutting their campaign contributions from business. It appears that both Republicans and Dumbocraps are afraid of the same thing.

Will Rogers (or Mark Twain, or maybe both) said that we have the best legislature money can buy.

Ain't it so?

I just wish they had some connection with reality.

29 posted on 05/24/2006 3:51:00 PM PDT by Ole Okie
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To: Plutarch
+ =
30 posted on 05/24/2006 7:56:24 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Judy Baar is Too-pinka! Vote Stufflebeam!)
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To: Plutarch

Will we still have to add in a tip for the busboys?


31 posted on 05/24/2006 8:05:54 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Red Badger

The EITC was enacted in 1975.


32 posted on 05/24/2006 8:07:56 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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To: Peach; Mo1
Well some of us who read the bill have been trying to point out that it is the worst piece of legislation in 40 years..but some people think we are conspiring to split the party....actually its the President and the Senate trying to ruin this nation..if you had heard the cost figures today you might have had a heart attack..see the rest of the Congresional Record for today(not available yet).

They brought up a point of order that it violated rules due to cost and was shot down..

other details here: http://www.numbersusa.com/hottopic/2454.html

33 posted on 05/24/2006 8:19:28 PM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Plutarch; Peach; Mo1; MACVSOG68
from Congressional record 5/24/06 (there was some rebuttal saying illegals would pay taxes etc..Kennedy crap)

Mr. SESSIONS. Mr. President, according to the budget point of order the Senator from Colorado has raised, he will be focusing on, I believe, the second 10 years. The Congressional Budget Office has told us that the first 10 years are net losers. They say that direct spending in this bill authorizes $54 billion. There will be $66 billion in revenue, and discretionary spending will be $64 billion, for a net cost in the first 10 years of $52 billion. That is really significant. The numbers are far worse in the outyears.

Those of us who have watched this Congress operate over the years and have been in it a few years realize that we make some of our biggest mistakes when we jump into programs that sound good at the time and we have not calculated the long-term costs to our country, and we wake up wondering how it ever happened. Sometimes we need to go back to look at precisely how it occurred.

Robert Rector has done some serious number-crunching for the second 10 years. He was a chief architect of America’s welfare reform bill. He is a senior analyst at the Heritage Foundation, a very well respected group in town. These are some of the things he says about that. He believes—let me tell you—that the numbers could be $50 billion to $60 billion per year in the second decade. This is one of his quotes: In the long run, this bill, if enacted, would prove the largest expansion of Government welfare in 35 years.

The largest expansion of Government welfare in 35 years. He estimates that the bill’s provisions that put illegal aliens on a direct path to citizenship will result in $16 billion per year of net additional costs to the Federal Government for benefits given to the amnestied individuals alone. This is just the group that is in the first amnesty. This will be in the amnesty of those who are already here. That will cost $16 billion per year.

He also points out that the fiscal impact of the cost to the Treasury caused by the Senate bill will extend far beyond the benefits given to the individual aliens, those who are here seeking amnesty. Once those aliens receive legal permanent status—that is the green card, and that is what they will receive under the bill before us—they have an automatic guaranteed right to bring their spouses and minor children into the United States even if this had not been one of their strong desires to begin with. Now they have an automatic right to do this. So that will greatly expand the total number of people ultimately granted citizenship under this bill’s provisions. It is not just the people who are here. Undoubtedly, the welfare estimate of $16 billion per year will increase. That is a low estimate. Once an illegal alien becomes a citizen, they have an additional unrestricted right to bring their parents in. Many of these parents will be elderly and need medical care. The Heritage Foundation report points out that parents under the Medicare system could cost as much as $18,000 per person. They estimate that even if 10 percent of the people who are provided citizenship—we are talking about getting into the second 10 years because it will take about that long to go through the process of getting a green card under the restrictions of the bill and under their request for citizenship. You can bring your children and your wife with a green card. If you have a green card, you can bring them. If you become a citizen, you can bring your parents and your brothers and sisters, and they can bring their children. But he estimates that would be $30 billion a year in the outyears.

You say that cannot be. Well, all I know is Members of this body debated for years welfare reform. The people who opposed welfare reform and opposed it steadfastly—and President Clinton vetoed it several times—said it was going to increase poverty. The others argued: No, it will help lift people out of poverty. What has happened? Welfare rolls have dropped by more than 50 percent, and the number of children being raised in poverty is lower than it was at that time. Who said that would happen? Robert Rector at the Heritage Foundation. He was proven correct in that debate. I submit that he is one of the more brilliant students of public life today, of welfare and all of the related issues. He said it will be $50 billion to $60 billion a year in the next decade. That is a lot of money. That is really a lot of money. Over 10 years, that amounts to a half trillion dollars.

So we have to think about this. I suggest to my colleagues that we have not thought this through. We don’t even have an official CBO score on the second 10 years. We are asking the country, the American taxpayer, who lifts the burdens and pays our fat salary and takes care of us and everything else in this Federal Government, to just take a walk with us in the hope that something good might happen. I don’t think so.

more here, use next page bottom right to change pages.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?position=all&page=S5081&dbname=2006_record

34 posted on 05/25/2006 7:17:05 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Plutarch
As a native Nebraskan, I would like to once again apologize to the entire civilized world for Chuck Hagel.
35 posted on 05/25/2006 7:18:15 AM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: Plutarch

$2000 dollar fine

$4700 dollars free money

________

$2700 dollars net profit!

Gringos sell rope to hang themselves.

Yet the house is being told they are LESS important than the senate.


36 posted on 05/25/2006 7:20:38 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: longtermmemmory

I told Melman we are gonna broom all the pro illegals this fall.


37 posted on 06/01/2006 2:35:17 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (If you got Sowell, you got Soul)
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To: Plutarch

bump


38 posted on 06/06/2006 10:04:53 AM PDT by VOA
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