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I had posthttp://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1637200/postsed a research request thread yesterday Research request: Would the illegals' Hagel-Martinez tax payment actually be an EITC payout? , because I suspected that the back tax payment provision of Hagel-Martinez was actually a way to ensure illegals got EITC. Texas Jarhead posted a summary of Senator Sessions' statement, from Monday. This is Senator Sessions' full Senate floor statement on EITC, which makes clear that Hagel-Martinez will provide illegals a Government check bonanza.
1 posted on 05/24/2006 6:57:31 AM PDT by Plutarch
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Sessions is simply the best Senator there is on immigration. He keeps highlighting exactly the issues that need to be dealt with.

I was to know what's going to happen to these illegals who have been claiming 10 dependents all these years after they get legalized and it turns out they only have 3 kids.


2 posted on 05/24/2006 7:01:57 AM PDT by Altair333 (Red Rover, Red Rover, Send Mexico Right Over)
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The Earned Income Tax Credit is nothing more than a wealth transfer scam to take money away from those who Earned it and give it to those who didn't............Ronald Reagan's biggest mistake.........


3 posted on 05/24/2006 7:02:23 AM PDT by Red Badger (Liberals ignore criminal behavior, reward sloth and revere incompetence...........)
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OMG. Our country is going to go bankrupt. I have no doubt. None. Zero. Nada.

We are too politically correct for our own go od and are bringing about our own downfall.


4 posted on 05/24/2006 7:02:34 AM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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Regarding your request, we're not able to edit comments, just remove them. Would you like #1 deleted?


5 posted on 05/24/2006 7:04:15 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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This is going to become another medicare prescription program debacle if passed


7 posted on 05/24/2006 7:08:38 AM PDT by Bikers4Bush (Flood waters rising, heading for more conservative ground. Vote for true conservatives!)
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I heard that Kennedy wrote this bill.


8 posted on 05/24/2006 7:10:21 AM PDT by Brilliant
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Here's a theory. More than half of all congressmen (all means both parties) have been taking kickbacks directly from Mexico or at least Mexican interests. That is the only thing that explains this bizarre behavior.


12 posted on 05/24/2006 7:17:55 AM PDT by Niteranger68
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Good catch!

If they really give money to illegals, why not use it as an incentive to leave, by distributing it in the home country (as a "resettlement grant" for guest workers)?

14 posted on 05/24/2006 7:21:14 AM PDT by B Knotts
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None of this nonsense will survive conference. The House has been getting hammered by constituents on immigration.


18 posted on 05/24/2006 7:26:45 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("Osama... made the mistake of confusing media conventional wisdom with reality" (Mark Steyn))
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believe somebody detailed once on the floor of the Senate that one family brought in 85 under this system. It is not at all impossible to imagine. Can you see how it can happen? One person comes in, and as a result of the family connections he brought in 85. I think that was Senator Allen Simpson in the debate 20 years ago in 1986.

Just about says it all about an explosion in people legally.


23 posted on 05/24/2006 8:05:28 AM PDT by sheana
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I'm sending this thread to Hagel. And to Ken Mehlman, RNC Chair.

Ken's e-mail address:


Ken.Mehlman@rncchairman.org



25 posted on 05/24/2006 9:34:35 AM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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+ =
30 posted on 05/24/2006 7:56:24 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Judy Baar is Too-pinka! Vote Stufflebeam!)
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Will we still have to add in a tip for the busboys?


31 posted on 05/24/2006 8:05:54 PM PDT by Old Professer (The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
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from Congressional record 5/24/06 (there was some rebuttal saying illegals would pay taxes etc..Kennedy crap)

Mr. SESSIONS. Mr. President, according to the budget point of order the Senator from Colorado has raised, he will be focusing on, I believe, the second 10 years. The Congressional Budget Office has told us that the first 10 years are net losers. They say that direct spending in this bill authorizes $54 billion. There will be $66 billion in revenue, and discretionary spending will be $64 billion, for a net cost in the first 10 years of $52 billion. That is really significant. The numbers are far worse in the outyears.

Those of us who have watched this Congress operate over the years and have been in it a few years realize that we make some of our biggest mistakes when we jump into programs that sound good at the time and we have not calculated the long-term costs to our country, and we wake up wondering how it ever happened. Sometimes we need to go back to look at precisely how it occurred.

Robert Rector has done some serious number-crunching for the second 10 years. He was a chief architect of America’s welfare reform bill. He is a senior analyst at the Heritage Foundation, a very well respected group in town. These are some of the things he says about that. He believes—let me tell you—that the numbers could be $50 billion to $60 billion per year in the second decade. This is one of his quotes: In the long run, this bill, if enacted, would prove the largest expansion of Government welfare in 35 years.

The largest expansion of Government welfare in 35 years. He estimates that the bill’s provisions that put illegal aliens on a direct path to citizenship will result in $16 billion per year of net additional costs to the Federal Government for benefits given to the amnestied individuals alone. This is just the group that is in the first amnesty. This will be in the amnesty of those who are already here. That will cost $16 billion per year.

He also points out that the fiscal impact of the cost to the Treasury caused by the Senate bill will extend far beyond the benefits given to the individual aliens, those who are here seeking amnesty. Once those aliens receive legal permanent status—that is the green card, and that is what they will receive under the bill before us—they have an automatic guaranteed right to bring their spouses and minor children into the United States even if this had not been one of their strong desires to begin with. Now they have an automatic right to do this. So that will greatly expand the total number of people ultimately granted citizenship under this bill’s provisions. It is not just the people who are here. Undoubtedly, the welfare estimate of $16 billion per year will increase. That is a low estimate. Once an illegal alien becomes a citizen, they have an additional unrestricted right to bring their parents in. Many of these parents will be elderly and need medical care. The Heritage Foundation report points out that parents under the Medicare system could cost as much as $18,000 per person. They estimate that even if 10 percent of the people who are provided citizenship—we are talking about getting into the second 10 years because it will take about that long to go through the process of getting a green card under the restrictions of the bill and under their request for citizenship. You can bring your children and your wife with a green card. If you have a green card, you can bring them. If you become a citizen, you can bring your parents and your brothers and sisters, and they can bring their children. But he estimates that would be $30 billion a year in the outyears.

You say that cannot be. Well, all I know is Members of this body debated for years welfare reform. The people who opposed welfare reform and opposed it steadfastly—and President Clinton vetoed it several times—said it was going to increase poverty. The others argued: No, it will help lift people out of poverty. What has happened? Welfare rolls have dropped by more than 50 percent, and the number of children being raised in poverty is lower than it was at that time. Who said that would happen? Robert Rector at the Heritage Foundation. He was proven correct in that debate. I submit that he is one of the more brilliant students of public life today, of welfare and all of the related issues. He said it will be $50 billion to $60 billion a year in the next decade. That is a lot of money. That is really a lot of money. Over 10 years, that amounts to a half trillion dollars.

So we have to think about this. I suggest to my colleagues that we have not thought this through. We don’t even have an official CBO score on the second 10 years. We are asking the country, the American taxpayer, who lifts the burdens and pays our fat salary and takes care of us and everything else in this Federal Government, to just take a walk with us in the hope that something good might happen. I don’t think so.

more here, use next page bottom right to change pages.

http://frwebgate.access.gpo.gov/cgi-bin/getpage.cgi?position=all&page=S5081&dbname=2006_record

34 posted on 05/25/2006 7:17:05 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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As a native Nebraskan, I would like to once again apologize to the entire civilized world for Chuck Hagel.
35 posted on 05/25/2006 7:18:15 AM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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$2000 dollar fine

$4700 dollars free money

________

$2700 dollars net profit!

Gringos sell rope to hang themselves.

Yet the house is being told they are LESS important than the senate.


36 posted on 05/25/2006 7:20:38 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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bump


38 posted on 06/06/2006 10:04:53 AM PDT by VOA
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