Posted on 05/26/2006 8:08:46 AM PDT by Tirian
The Bush administration and Republican Senators have badly misjudged both the attitudes of most Republicans (and, of course, most Americans) toward illegal immigration, and the intensity of those views. While we have opposed the Senate plan, we have been pretty mild-mannered about it. So I'm turning the microphone over to my friend Bob Cunningham. No one I know of argues immigration-related issues more cogently. Equally important, no one I know of conveys the white-hot anger and sense of betrayal that millions of Americans feel about this issue more effectively.
We know that this site is widely read in the White House and in Congress. To all Republicans in Washington: please, please read what follows with care, and understand that Bob speaks for most Americans and the overwhelming majority of Republicans:
Here's what they're missing, and it is the principal reason, in my opinion, WHY the anti-ILLEGAL forces are so upset -- and so powerful.
It has to do with the bad faith, calculated deceit, Orwellian propaganda, dishonest sophistry, misdirection, arrogance, presumption, indifference to, and, indeed, contempt for the beliefs of huge numbers of ordinary Americans -- including LEGAL immigrants and Hispanic natives! --- on the part of political/media elites.
Let's recognize that the political process has --- democratically --- designated the illegals AS illegal. Why? Because we, as a nation, decided that their presence -- NOT themselves per se (as the false attribution of racism would have it) --- but their presence in such numbers for such purposes (the phony Jobs Americans Won't Do/Jobs Americans Are Not Doing) is undesirable. There are perfectly reasonable grounds for that judgment. When did we vote for the Mexification of America? ANS.: NEVER....Indeed, going back to the 1965 immigration "reforms", assurances were REPEATEDLY given (Kennedy) that such reforms would NOT lead to an influx or demographic change. And guess what? The burden of proof is NOT on the nation to justify this stance.
Period. Full stop. End of discussion.
Since these elites don't like that decision now they want us to accept a fait accompli..and more! They feel perfectly justified in collaborating in the subversion of our democratically enacted immigration regime --- with crass, narrow, economic special interests and with others having perhaps more sinister designs. Their objectives --- open borders, a free flow of cheap labor --- are plain now for all to see. Some no longer even bother to pretend otherwise.
Given that, there is NO REASON to believe ANY of their promises --- the "wall," enforcement of "tough" conditions for a "path to legalization/citizenship" or limits in a "tough and smart" "temporary" "guest workers" indentured servant-helot program. We also know that the very underlying rationale itself for "temporary" "guest workers" (the economically illiterate JAWD/JAAND) is in DIRECT CONTRADICTION to ANY arbitrary "limits"....Indeed, the very claim itself that deportation is "impossible" renders the enforcement promises self-refuting! We should all ignore the false promises and intentional non-feasance in the past?...and do I even have to mention the Simpson-Mazzoli fraud? "This time it's different"?....we REALLY mean it now?....
The ultimate retort of the immigration celebrationists --- let us call it the "immigrants are good people" argument --- is totally beside the point. It is an assertion that no one would disagree with, but it is also an argument that has NO internal LIMITING PRINCIPLE. There is, on its own terms, no non-arbitrary basis for excluding ANY ONE of the 6 billion non-Americans. Other than criminal disqualification, most of them, are, indeed "good people"....so what?
Well, we already decided the question of numbers and limits...and the political/media elites, in conjunction with the scofflaw employers, do NOT have standing to subvert the democratic decision made, upon deliberation, several times in reliance on what we now can see were plainly false promises.
Never again.
There's got to be a bit of luck involved, too.
Our borders are wide open, and literally anyone could get in. There's a national security issue involved with this border issue beyond the social and economic issues, which are great enough that they shouldn't have been ignored.
The Israelis are quite vigilant, but that doesn't protect them from terrorist attacks.
You seem to regard disagreement with this President as evil, if I understand you correctly. I find that rather blasphemous, personally.
Sunday AM talk TV had me overhearing someone saying something to the effect that the conservatives are all up in arms about amnesty and wanting border security....as if we are such a minute portion of voters that our opinions mean NOTHING. They best be understanding it's not just conservatives who are fed up and ready to remove politicians from office if they screw this up and give employers the "guest workers" that remove those politicians from office down the road shortly.
Just how many unemployed auto workers (etc. etc. etc.) (with jobs sent TO automaker's and other American manufacturing plants relocated or built in MEXICO) do they think will justify bringing in more "guest workers." They better think long and hard before they cast those votes. It isn't just conservatives who are filled with angst about this issue!
It really works like this.
President Bush was elected in 2000. As such, Conservatives were happy. In a general sense, he worked for a conservative agenda. That earned him respect.
Then came 9/11 and the war on terrorism. People rallied around the President. Then came Afganistan and Iraq. That earned more respect in the eyes of Conservatives.
Then came the 2004 elections... and all of the actions that the President has taken in the last two years. Those actions have destroyed a great deal of the respect he earned in his first term.
And to be honest, I think he is now running a respect 'deficit' in the eyes of many Conservatives.
Hence the lack of respect many Conservatives have against President Bush.
I guess President Bush was never taught that respect has to be earned, not given...
For he is no longer trying to earn the respect of Conservatives. (Though, to be fair, many Republican senators no longer try to earn the respect of Conservative, either)
When the President (and Republican senators, for that matter) calls for strict enforcement of existing immigration laws, calls for oil drilling anywhere oil can be found in America, calls for Israel to not commit national suicide by withdrawing from the West Bank, tells enviro-nazi's to jump off a cliff...
...then he'll start earning my respect again. But right now, he's doing the opposite.
Same here.
He's right but the arrogant bastards in the Senate have given all of America the middle finger salute.
I never said, nor implied any such thing.
The blasphemy has been against the Lord.
Now please don't reply to me again. If you can't accept my opinion without making things up out of whole cloth to accuse me, the conversation is over.
Having integrity isn't enough. Protecting this country isn't enough. Leading our troops with honor and governing with morality isn't enough. Nominating conservative judges isn't enough. Getting the economy to boom through conservative principles isn't enough. Being our Commander in Chief in time of war isn't enough.
He has to dot every i and cross every t that you demand.
That's not very conservative, IMO. Self-centeredness isn't conservative. Throwing away respect because you don't get your own way isn't conservative.
He has earned ALL our respect, and your personal demands don't change that fact.
I'm sorry if I misunderstood what you were saying.
If you can't accept my opinion without making things up out of whole cloth to accuse me, the conversation is over.
Again, I'm sorry if I misunderstood you, but you've been somewhat unclear about what sort of evil is being practiced by those who disagree with you.
The terror threats are concocted and overblown when George Bush leaves the Mexican border wide open. This is the logical conclusion. And why I said GW has sabotaged his war on terror with an open borders policy.
His illegal immigration policies have shown the exact opposite of integrity. GW plays fast and loose with the truth same as the liberals do when he lumps illegal immigrants with the legal ones and lies about his program not being an amnesty. John McCain blew a gasket a few days back when his Senate plan was called an amnesty, so GW is not alone in with this lie.
We should be thankful this day for those who have been willing to serve, and those who are still willing to serve in the cause of freedom and security.
We have young men and women in harm's way today, and we should be in prayer for their safety and protection as they fight terrorists whose goal it is to destroy everything we hold dear and to take those freedoms away.
And we should be in prayer daily, not only for them, but for their Commander in Chief, who is respected because of his courage, integrity, and steadfastness.
God bless our troops! Have a meaningful Memorial Day of thanksgiving and remembrance.
(btw, dennis..........I'm pretty much ignoring your posts to stay focused on what is of importance today. Sorry about that.
Amelia, at another point I will explain further what I mean by 'evil' since you didn't understand what I thought was rather straightforward, but not on this thread, and not today).
Agreed. Some Republicans (moderates primarily) will BS the constituency and say one thing (conservative), then when in office, go the other way (liberal), over and over again, knowing the electorate isn't paying attention half the time and with the MSM on their side, providing cover. A new party is in order. The Republican party came into being because the Whig party didn't deliver to its constituents, time again for a change, before the U.S.A. as we know it becomes a footnote in history. As an American, I am truly ashamed and angry what our Congress has become, the enemy of the people. The corruption and lies and plutocracy that had developed was warned about when the Founding Fathers put the system in place, which overtime has been torn asunder. I can only hope my children and grandchildren see a restoration however I'm afraid it's too late.
If YOU are posting your sadistic pleasure that I am leaving FR, then there is NO WAY that I will do so.
Knowing that those of you on the DARK SIDE who hate FR (and ME) with a passion want me to leave reinforces that this battle for GOOD and HONOR is critical.
Thanks for making it clear to me. The battle belongs to the LORD..........and this soldier on the side of dignity, integrity and righteousness, isn't giving up!
bad faith, calculated deceit, Orwellian propaganda, dishonest sophistry, misdirection, arrogance, presumption, indifference to, and, indeed, contempt for the beliefs of huge numbers of ordinary Americans
EXACTLY!
I am not happy with you're Opus at all.. Where do you get THAT.. lay off the Dumberol.. PMS or what?..
Leave or Stay.. -OR- provide better drama...
Drama Queens are allowed its just that they are graded.
(clipping my toenails)...
With the respect to the political aspect, the fact is that most immigrant groups, as far back as the Scotch-Irish two centuries ago, have supported the Democrats. The rise of the original Democratic Party was to a great extent generated by the largely Scotch-Irish frontiersmen who opposed the Federalist/Whig merchants and plantation owners of the coastal Northeast and the Tidewater South. Over the centuries, the Democrats have evolved from a party of small farmers and urban workers (Jefferson, Jackson, Cleveland) to a party of union labor and minorities (FDR, JFK, LBJ) to a European style social democratic party emphasizing socialistic economics, an all powerful central government, and libertine morality.
Although many Americans are descended from the immigrants who came to this country between 1840 and 1920, they and their children and grandchildren largely supported the New Deal and the Great Society. Scandinavian, Irish, Italian, Jewish, and Slavic Americans were overwhelmingly pro-New Deal (German and Dutch Americans tended to conservatism), as were Southerners of British colonial descent, especially in the Upper South and Border.
Fortunately, most British-descended Southerners and many of the descendants of the 1840-1920 wave of immigrants have rejected much of the big government advocacy of their forbears. However, it took these people the better part of a century to be weaned away from their attitudes.
Now we must look at the effects of current illegal immigrants and the possibility of another huge, though legal, wave over the next 20 years. The net effect of this immigration will increase the proportion of foreign born to native born to over 20%, a percentage higher than it was in 1910, when the immigration wave peaked. Even the 12-20 million here illegally, upon obtaining citizenship, will mostly vote Democratic. The effects of these new citizens receiving the franchise can be seen in studying what has happened to California. Twenty five years ago, California was politically moderate to conservative, much as Colorado or Arizona are today. The 1986 amnesty brought sufficient numbers of Democratic voters to tip the scales, and the Golden State is now so Democratic that in the last two Presidential election cycles, the GOP essentially wrote off the state. Its politics have drifted leftward, and "white flight" has further exacerbated that drift. Project what happened in California on Arizona, Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, Texas, Oklahoma, and Florida and you will have created a long term Democratic majority in the House and the Senate and a strong Democratic advantage in control for the White House. Even Ohio may tilt Democrat, as even a modest increase of foreign born voters will move it into the Democratic camp, and make Michigan and Pennsylvania virtual one party Democrat states as well.
Within 20 years of the proposed Senate bill becoming law, we will have socialized medicine, a return to the pre-Reagan tax code, Federal gun control, national land use planning, national union "closed shops", Federal takeover of public education and suppression of home schooling and Christian private schools, "hate crime" laws that will criminalize speech considered offensive to minorities and sexual deviants, a revival of the "Fairness Doctrine" that will effectively end conservative talk radio and conservative and libertarian blogs and Web sites, among other items.
As for the social agenda of liberals, areas where there may be reluctance to anger culturally conservative Hispanics, the Federal court appointees will handle. An army of Ruth Bader Ginsburgs on the Federal bench will take care of legalizing homosexual "marriages", medical, pension and other benefits for the partners in immoral sexual relationships, and "consensual" sex with minors. These same courts will void the post-1980 trend to tougher and mandatory sentences for crimes and the restoration of the death penalties. By ending the death penalty and mandatory sentencing and weakening police and prosecutorial powers, crime rates will soar to 1960s levels.
The liberal agenda is no secret. Increasing the numbers of Democrat voters will place liberals in power in both Washington and the state capitals. Given such power, they will enact the legislation and appoint the judges you want. Whatever good President Bush has done in the last five and a half years is irrelevant. He is entirely wrong on this matter, as are the RINOs, Democrats, and pseudo-conservatives who support him. What good things he has done will be overturned by triumphant liberals in the 2010s and beyond.
This immigration bill is not some pork barrel highway bill or an appropriation for aircraft carriers. What is as stake is the political control of the American republic for the rest of this century. There can and must be no compromise with the ill-conceived legislation passed by the Senate.
You learn something new every day.
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