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Undercover Work Deepens Police-Muslim Tensions
NY Times ^ | May 27, 2006 | ANDREA ELLIOTT

Posted on 05/27/2006 5:18:54 AM PDT by Pharmboy


James Estrin/The New York Times
Inside the Hookah Tea Room in Bay Ridge, Brooklyn. Some Muslims in the neighborhood say they are wary
of talking about politics in public.

It is no secret to the Muslim immigrants of Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, that spies live among them.

Almost anyone can rattle off what they regard as the telltale signs of police informers: They like to talk politics. They have plenty of free time. They live in the neighborhood, but have no local relatives.

"They think we don't know, but we know who they are," said Linda Sarsour, 26, a community activist.

It is another thing for them to be officially revealed. Over the last several weeks, during the trial of a Pakistani immigrant who was convicted on Wednesday of plotting to blow up the Herald Square subway station, Muslims in Bay Ridge learned that two agents of the police had been planted in the neighborhood and were instrumental to the case.

They absorbed the testimony of an Egyptian-born police informer who had recorded the license plate numbers of worshipers at a mosque. They heard that an undercover detective, originally from Bangladesh, had been sent to Bay Ridge as a "walking camera."

The trial's revelations, and its outcome for the defendant, Shahawar Matin Siraj, have brought a bitter reckoning among Muslims in the city. Many see the police tactics unveiled in the case as proof that the authorities — both in New York and around the nation — have been aggressive, even underhanded in their approach to Muslims.

And despite the conviction of Mr. Siraj, who was found guilty on all four of the counts he faced, some Muslim leaders remain convinced that he was entrapped, including an imam who knew the informer and had found him to be suspicious.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; US: New York; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: brooklyn; informers; muslims
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In the years since Sept. 11, as word of informers spread among the smoky sheesha cafes and tidy mosques of Bay Ridge, a familiar fear has fallen over the neighborhood. It asserts itself quietly, in the hush of conversation and the wary stares that pass between strangers.

"It's like a police state here," said Omar Maged, 34, an assistant teacher at a public high school. "We do not feel that we are living in the most free country in the world."

Riiiiiight. We don't have the freedoms you're used to in Jordan, Gaza and Egypt. I have a solution: GO BACK TO THOSE PARADISES.

1 posted on 05/27/2006 5:18:55 AM PDT by Pharmboy
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"It's like a police state here," said Omar Maged, 34, an assistant teacher at a public high school. "We do not feel that we are living in the most free country in the world."

Then get out..

2 posted on 05/27/2006 5:21:33 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Kerry-Mcarthy in 2008!)
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To: Pharmboy

Anger over spies, but, Gee, not a word of anger against the muslim who was plotting to blow up their fellow citizens...telling indeed.


3 posted on 05/27/2006 5:22:21 AM PDT by milford421
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To: Pharmboy

The result of the new immigration bill will be a movement from Pakistan to America.

Pakis will overwhelm American cities.


4 posted on 05/27/2006 5:25:15 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. Slay Pinch)
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"said Linda Sarsour, 26, a community activist"

"community activist" = anti-American terrorist.

Why are they here?


5 posted on 05/27/2006 5:26:29 AM PDT by garyhope
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To: milford421
These people don't get it--just like the Mexicanos. Defending their fellow tribesmen against illegal activity--like it was their birthright--just doesn't go over well with Americans.

Both the Mexicans and these Muslims need better PR advice than they're getting. Even the Times had trouble spinning this in their favor.

6 posted on 05/27/2006 5:26:53 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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"It's like a police state here," said Omar Maged, 34, an assistant teacher at a public high school. "We do not feel that we are living in the most free country in the world."

We are not as free since Islamic fanatics started attacking us, in that they have been successful.

These people only hurt themselves by stressing their victimization, after the next attack they will be begging
for protection...


7 posted on 05/27/2006 5:28:04 AM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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They are here because they look at the long-term picture: they want the US under sharia and to get rid of us Christians and Jews. Just look at France now and England 10 years from now.
8 posted on 05/27/2006 5:29:18 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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To: Pharmboy
"It is no secret to the Muslim immigrants of Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, that spies live among them"

Then were even.

I don't trust any of them and now it seems they realise they can't trust their own either.

9 posted on 05/27/2006 5:29:21 AM PDT by Kakaze (American: a Citizen of the United States of America........not just some resident of said continent)
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It is no secret to the Muslim immigrants of Bay Ridge, Brooklyn, that spies live among them.

And it's no secret that terrorists live among them too, but THAT seems not to bother them. I wish ta h*ll they would ALL go back to their sandy paradises.

10 posted on 05/27/2006 5:31:57 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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It was interesting to see this story from the Times...

The PR drive has been to claim victimization and islamaphobia for years - and it worked.

Seems like people are slowly waking up to the reality of the situation.


11 posted on 05/27/2006 5:32:50 AM PDT by milford421
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To: bert
Pakis will overwhelm American cities.

How many rounds can I fire before my barrel melts?

12 posted on 05/27/2006 5:33:13 AM PDT by gotribe (It's not a religion.)
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Notice the left's typical spin. Muslims living in NY are convicted of plotting to blow up thousands of innocent people on the subway - so they are victims!
13 posted on 05/27/2006 5:34:14 AM PDT by JasonC
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Yep...whomever is against the US of A always gets as sympathetic a hearing as possible from the Times.

Why couldn't the reporter have asked those complaining: "What do you propose we Americans do to protect ourselves from Islamic terrorism?"

14 posted on 05/27/2006 5:37:51 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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To: Kakaze
"It's like a police state here," said Omar Maged, 34, an assistant teacher at a public high school. "We do not feel that we are living in the most free country in the world."

And the proper response should be...."What have you done to ensure your freedom or are you continuing to harbor terrorists amongst yourselves?"

15 posted on 05/27/2006 5:37:58 AM PDT by EBH (We're too PC to understand WAR has been declared upon us and the enemy is within.)
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To: Pharmboy
Riiiiiight. We don't have the freedoms you're used to in Jordan, Gaza and Egypt. I have a solution: GO BACK TO THOSE PARADISES.

Amen.

16 posted on 05/27/2006 5:41:41 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: thefactor; blam; SunkenCiv; gate2wire; aculeus; wagglebee; Salamander; MadIvan

The-Brooklyn-muzzies-are-unhappy-here ping. Here's the assignment: How can we Americans work to make them feel more comfortable in the US? /sarcasm


17 posted on 05/27/2006 5:42:08 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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Wow--that was strange--I JUST pinged you as you were posting. Great minds, etc. etc...


18 posted on 05/27/2006 5:43:34 AM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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To: milford421
not a word of anger against the muslim who was plotting to blow up their fellow citizens...telling indeed.

Say it again!!!!

19 posted on 05/27/2006 5:44:32 AM PDT by Woodstock
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By sending them back to their jihadistans, bastions of Islamic "freedom".


20 posted on 05/27/2006 5:55:10 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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