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Kosovo to be independent in months: ex-NATO general
Yahoo News ^ | Thu May 25, 2006

Posted on 05/27/2006 8:19:43 AM PDT by A. Pole

The former US general who commanded NATO's 1999 air war against Serbia predicted its southern province of Kosovo would become independent within months.

Wesley Clark told Kosovo Albanian leaders in Pristina he had confidence in their "strong, positive and visionary proposals" to find a solution for Kosovo, which has been run by the United Nations and NATO since 1999.

"I am confident that this issue will be solved very soon, and probably in few months, Kosovo will become independent and will respect the rights of all citizens," said Clark.

"I believe that Kosovo will be welcomed into the family of the nations and that there will be many opportunities for the citizens of this country to prosper, raise big families and make their dreams come true."

Clark, who is on a three-day visit to the disputed province, met Kosovo's President Fatmir Sejdiu and Prime Minister Agim Ceku, who said Clark was a great friend of Kosovo, who stood by it in its most difficult times.

"He is and will always be honored by the people of Kosovo," he said.

Clark commanded the 1999 NATO air strikes that drove Serbian forces loyal to former Yugoslav leader Slobodan Milosevic out of Kosovo because of their brutal crackdown on ethnic Albanian separatists.


Wesley Clark, the former US general that commanded NATO's 1999 air war against Serbia.

(from CNN.com)


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: albania; antichristian; appeasement; balkans; clark; clintonlegacy; ihoppy; islam; islamofascists; jihad; kla; kosovo; mark502ss; muslim; nato; pancakeboy; serbia; sorosfluffers; wrongplace; wrongside; wrongtime; wrongwar; yugoslavia

1 posted on 05/27/2006 8:19:47 AM PDT by A. Pole
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To: ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; arete; ...

"I am confident that this issue will be solved very soon, and probably in few months, Kosovo will become independent and will respect the rights of all citizens," said Clark.


2 posted on 05/27/2006 8:21:07 AM PDT by A. Pole (Second hand smoking is a major cause of global warming!)
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To: A. Pole

Wesley Clark? I would not believe him about anything.


3 posted on 05/27/2006 8:22:16 AM PDT by Bigg Red (Never trust Democrats with national security.)
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To: A. Pole

Oh boy! a new muslim nation. Thanks Weasley


4 posted on 05/27/2006 8:27:45 AM PDT by mylife (The roar of the masses could be farts)
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To: A. Pole

"I am confident that this issue will be solved very soon, and probably in few months, Kosovo will become independent and will respect the rights of all citizens," said Clark.

***** Will respect the rights of all citizens???? So, when will this start since the KLA has been murdering Serbs, moderate Albanians and other minorities since 1999...The only real mass grave found was in the past few years with 22 Serbs murdered....even to date they have targeted Serbs and destroyed churches.

"I believe that Kosovo will be welcomed into the family of the nations and that there will be many opportunities for the citizens of this country to prosper, raise big families and make their dreams come true."

*****OK, I'll bite....prosper how?? the only economy is small store owners, UN corrupted money, corruption, and a total Mafia state. Who's dreams....how about all dreams, the Serbs that live there also.




"Clark, who is on a three-day visit to the disputed province, met Kosovo's President Fatmir Sejdiu and Prime Minister Agim Ceku, who said Clark was a great friend of Kosovo, who stood by it in its most difficult times."

***** Ceku.....a mass murderer, no kidding, on the level of Milosevic....it's an amazing situation. The Serbs will be targeted.. If Kosovo gets independence it will rely on the corrupted funds of UN money. When the attacks against Serbs start in South Presevo, Kosovo will be a sovereign country. So, if the Serb forces cross into Kosovo, here comes the wrath of the UN against Serbia again for starting a war with a UN protected country. The rule of law in Kosovo is a like Dodge City and the judges are either corrupt or in fear of their lives.....Can't have a trial when the witnesses are murdered...all this is actually true.

"He is and will always be honored by the people of Kosovo," he said.


5 posted on 05/27/2006 8:41:12 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: A. Pole
Kill Christians for the drug running KLA Moslems backed by our "friend" Bin Laden./s
6 posted on 05/27/2006 8:41:32 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: A. Pole
I don't know which makes me most furious:
That even the administration still touts Kosovo as some kind of victory for democracy and western values,
or that Weasely Clark is still treated as a military expert rather than a war criminal.
7 posted on 05/27/2006 8:50:48 AM PDT by norton (are you reading this captain kenny?)
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To: tgambill

Since the Albanians and the Serbs cannot coexist, the best thing to do is to keep them apart and partition the territory along the pattern of ethnic settlement, so as to cause minimal displacement and hardship. Since a divorce is necessary, let it be as velvet a divorce as possible. Vaclav Havel showed how these things are done by civilized people, but then again, nobody in that neighborhood is civilized.


8 posted on 05/27/2006 8:58:36 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: HuntsvilleTxVeteran
"I believe that Kosovo will be welcomed into the family of the nations and that there will be many opportunities for the citizens of this country to prosper, raise big families and make their dreams come true."

Yes, this is a nice part: "raise big families".

9 posted on 05/27/2006 9:00:23 AM PDT by A. Pole (Second hand smoking is a major cause of global warming!)
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To: A. Pole

Clark is meddling in the internal affairs of another country. Kosovo is still part of Serbia.


10 posted on 05/27/2006 9:01:35 AM PDT by kabar
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To: A. Pole
I am sure that the Muslims of Kosovo will treat non-Muslims with tolerance and respect as they do throughout the Islamic world./sarc.

Seriously, I'd love to talk with some of the officers that served with Wesley Clark throughout his career. My guess is that he made general the old-fashioned way (being political and kissing butts).
11 posted on 05/27/2006 9:04:26 AM PDT by BW2221
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To: GSlob

They could never partition as the Albanians would consider this unacceptable. There is no way also for a velvet divorce. The best way would be for NATO, the U.S. and UN to rid themselves of the corrupt administrators first. Second, conduct an investigation of the UN system in Kosovo and fire the corrupt senior administrators. Third, attack the Albania Mafia figures and stop working with them, as the Italians have been doing. Fourth, give a directive to the Albanian leaders to call their dogs off and then start a massive collection of criminals and send them to The Hague. Next, reestablish KFOR security in minority areas with explicit orders to shoot on sight any perps that are doing the bombs, attacking the minorities, etc.....or, arrest and prosecute to the fullest extent. This would require a complete change of our U.S. Policy as this is not the focus since the beginning. I talked to many of the rotating commanders and liaison officers behind closed doors and listened to their frustration as to why we aren't arresting the Albanian Mafia and confronting the common criminals, UCPMB, NLA, etc...members. While they were fighting the Serbs in 2000, in South Presevo....(bomb attacks, ambushing policemen, snipers etc...) they: the Albanian Rebels would conduct training exercises in Serbia within eyeshot of the U.S. OP's. On occasion, they would bring a training schedule, drop it off at the OP and return to the field in Serbia.....

The only real mass grave found in Kosovo was one that had 22 Serbs in it. Rajak was a farce and prefabricated to look like a real massacre. Yes there were around 40+ bodies there but, there was signficant evidence to show that the bodies had been moved. Also the KLA controlled access of the site until they were ready to allow Observers in.......

We are not neutral..................


12 posted on 05/27/2006 9:36:21 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: BW2221

Wes Clark was roundly despised within the army. I give thanks to God I never served under him, but my friends who did hated him. He is an extreme political opportunist who is willing to do anything to get publicity and curry favor from his political masters.


13 posted on 05/27/2006 9:49:44 AM PDT by OldCorps
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To: OldCorps

Just ask the Branch Dividian survivors about this guy.


14 posted on 05/27/2006 9:52:19 AM PDT by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: NY Attitude
Just ask the Branch Dividian survivors about this guy.

Lol, I was just telling my 18 year old son, who sees everything in black and white the two signs you are about to be invaded by evil men with guns: 1. The media calls your religion a sect 2. The media calls your farm a compound When this happens, you're as good as dead.

15 posted on 05/27/2006 9:59:40 AM PDT by OldCorps
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To: A. Pole
If the courts are going to try our men in Iraq for a massacre then Weasley should be next in line for the bombing of civilains and hospitals in Belgrade.

How can FOX put this slime on as their military anal yst?????

16 posted on 05/27/2006 10:01:55 AM PDT by MadelineZapeezda (KKKByrd: "Amnesties are the dark underbelly of our immigration process"......he even gets it!)
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To: OldCorps

You got it.


17 posted on 05/27/2006 10:03:03 AM PDT by NY Attitude (You are responsible for your safety until the arrival of Law Enforcement Officers!)
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To: A. Pole

18 posted on 05/27/2006 10:07:08 AM PDT by fishtank
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To: A. Pole; Bokababe; zagor-te-nej; Lion in Winter; Honorary Serb; jb6; Incorrigible; DTA; ma bell; ...
I see the Clintonistas, Islamofascists, and Soros fluffers have yet to make their appearance here to cheer on the proclamations of their hero, Wesley.
19 posted on 05/27/2006 10:20:08 AM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: MadelineZapeezda

I just hope to find myself within spitting distance of Clark, Halfbright, or either of the Clintons at some point in time.


20 posted on 05/27/2006 10:22:00 AM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: FormerLib

Bush is doing nothing to stop this....so blame him too. This is not surprising. His justification for the Iraq war is almost the same as Clinton's justification for Iraq.


21 posted on 05/27/2006 10:22:20 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: kabar

Meddling in internal affairs? You're so pre-9-11! Nobody in the U.S. government worries about that anymore. Meddling in internal affairs is Uncle Sam's middle name these days.


22 posted on 05/27/2006 10:24:12 AM PDT by Austin Willard Wright
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To: tgambill

Somehow [and it beats me, why] internal cannibalism is believed to be more acceptable than an external one. So if each community is left to stew in their own juices and eat its own, it ought to be considered a lesser evil, and thus preferable. Therefore I'm all for partition.


23 posted on 05/27/2006 10:53:29 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: A. Pole

After trying to keep Kosovo under the radar for years, notice how they are all coming out of the woodwork lately to say that Kosovo is "a done-deal"?

I think that the American Council for Kosovo has got them scared -- sacred that it may not be a done deal -- scared that they actually have a group that they can't either ignore or steamroll!

This is good news, folks! They know that they are vulnerable so they are pretending that they are not!


24 posted on 05/27/2006 10:56:44 AM PDT by Bokababe (www.savekosovo.org & www.serbblog.com)
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To: A. Pole

Clark commanded the 2019 UN air strikes that drove US forces loyal to former US leader Mike Jackson out of Astland because of their brutal crackdown on Hispanic separatists.


25 posted on 05/27/2006 11:04:55 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: Bigg Red

bump


26 posted on 05/27/2006 11:36:51 AM PDT by jpsb
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To: GSlob

Partition helps the Islamofascists. Which side are you on?


27 posted on 05/27/2006 1:41:26 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: FormerLib

I consider Serb nationalists equally fascistic. Pox on them all.


28 posted on 05/27/2006 1:44:53 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: GSlob
I consider Serb nationalists equally fascistic.

And Cindy Sheehan would say the same of everyone who support the War on Terror. Nice out, wouldn't you say?

Count up the American citizens killed by Serb nationalists and compare those to the number killed by Islamic terrorists. The math makes it easy to figure out who the treat to the US really is.

29 posted on 05/27/2006 1:50:15 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: GSlob
Therefore I'm all for partition.

Partition of Kosovo into Serbian part (including important churches and monasteries) and Albanian? Or into giving the whole Kosovo to Albanians?

30 posted on 05/27/2006 4:00:35 PM PDT by A. Pole (Second hand smoking is a major cause of global warming!)
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To: A. Pole
Partitioning according to the pattern of ethnic settlement, so as to uproot and transfer the smallest possible number of people - there has been enough hardship as it is. For example, if one is to believe the published reports, the northern part of city of Mitrovitsa is inhabited by Serbs, while the Albanians are in the southern part of it. Thus the partition line would have to cross the city, unless one is to transfer either one community out of it.
31 posted on 05/27/2006 5:07:53 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: GSlob

sure..but how to keep them safe....and control the "line" of partition. that is the problem. They will never respect any line of partition.


32 posted on 05/28/2006 6:32:45 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill
"sure..but how to keep them safe....and control the "line" of partition. that is the problem."
If both sides are kept compact [i.e. with minimal contact surface/boundary length - the less contact, the less friction] and sufficiently strong to inflict a bad mauling on one another, they could be kept reasonably safe from themselves. The old doctrine of armed peace.
33 posted on 05/28/2006 9:00:23 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: GSlob

Yes, this is true, but the reality they Albanian extremist groups crossed the line many many times in front of the KFOR units committed the acts and escaped almost every time. You have to be willing to treat both sides the same and to be neutral. This has not happened since 1999 and has in the past year gotten worse......


34 posted on 05/29/2006 12:17:36 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: GSlob

Check this out...

Kosova Is An Example Of Nation-Building Done Properly
27 May (Zeri & Statesman Journal) – There's at least one predominantly Muslim part of the world with a history of deep ethnic and religious divisions where the local population has embraced American intervention and the passage of time is witnessing a mission accomplished. It's small. Many Americans won't know where it is. Once the subject of presidential debates in 2000, it has been overshadowed by Iraq.
The place is Kosova, where the U.S. and NATO intervened in 1999 to stop the ethnic cleansing by Serbia's Slobodan Milosevic and begin the process of building a functioning nation from the rubble of the final collapse of the old Yugoslavia in the Balkans region of southeast Europe. Since September 2005, I've been working there periodically with the newly formed electricity regulators.
Other than the spires of the many centuries-old mosques that dot the city, there is little to distinguish the capital of Prishtina except the predominance of U.N. cars and facilities. The normal population is 500,000, but there are more than 70,000 U.N. personnel providing security and supporting assistance programs of international donors.
The U.N. presence here and the planned, gradual progress toward sustainable, functioning democratic institutions is a unique experiment that holds some lessons for the art of "nation-building" that has dominated the politics of U.S. foreign policy for the past decade.
After the death of President for Life Joseph Tito in 1980, Yugoslavia began to unravel under ethnic and economic tensions, and the Serbian nationalists sought domination. The U.S. and NATO intervened in 1995 to end the siege of Sarajevo in Bosnia, and again in 1999 when President Clinton committed 20,000 troops to stop atrocities as Christian Serb nationalists sought to drive the predominantly Muslim ethnic Albanians out of the autonomous region of Kosova.
After stopping the Serbs, the U.N. authorized the establishment of an interim civilian administration for Kosova to progressively establish autonomy and self-government. The first priority was security, achieved by a 35-nation NATO-led Kosova Force (KFOR) of 50,000 troops, including 7,000 from the U.S. In 2001, a constitutional framework for provisional self-government was passed, with the U.N. maintaining reserved powers until the final status of Kosova could be determined.
Peace has generally been maintained; infrastructure and institutional capacity are being rebuilt. Kosovars are electing their own assembly. Serious problems with unemployment and corruption still exist, but the international military and civil cooperation and U.N. administration have given Kosovars the time and opportunity to revive.
The main entrance to the city from the airport was renamed Bill Clinton Boulevard. A Nike superstar-like painting of Clinton waving to a crowd looms over the street from the side of a high-rise brick building. One hotel has put a small-scale Statue of Liberty on its roof. Tell a cab driver you are from the United States and rather than being seen as a mark for higher fares, you're more likely to get a thank-you and pat on the back as a welcome.
Ironically, when U.S. intervention in the region was being debated, many Republicans derided it as a military entanglement without an exit strategy. Candidate George Bush in 2000 said, "Troops shouldn't be used for what's called nation-building."
In Kosova, there were enough troops and diplomacy to establish the secure environment needed to build institutions of government. There was an internationally unified effort to gradually build the institutions necessary and provide competent administration and delivery of services. Some might see the international experience in Kosova as a portent of what can happen if we just hang in Iraq long enough.
For others, though, it is an example of the kind of foundation that the people who were deriding the concept of nation-building should have planned before they embarked on their own adventure.

Kosovo: UNMIK Police Commissioner Orders Investigation Into Mala Krusa Incident
Prishtina, (Bota Sot) 26 May -- The local institutions and political entities have harshly reacted to yesterday's incident in Krushe e Vogel Mala Krusa. An investigation into this incident has already started at the orders of UNMIK [UN Interim Administrative Mission in Kosovo] Police Commissioner Kai Vittrup. The investigation commission will include local and international investigators.
Vittrup has also requested the launch of an investigation into the policemen's conduct during the incident in Krushe e Vogel, Prizren. ShPK Kosovo Police Service, KPS spokesman Veton Elshani has confirmed this, saying that Prizren police inspectors are investigating the incident and that the police commissioner has ordered a probe also into the policemen's behavior during yesterday's incident.
The incident, in which dozens of Krushe e Vogel residents and three international policemen in Kosova [Kosovo] were injured, was condemned by the international authorities in Kosova, which asserted that this is not the right way to build a legal and democratic state.

SELF DETERMINATION! Continued The Campaign Against The Serbian Products
27 May (Epoka e Re) – The SELF DETERMINATION! Campaign against the Serbian products continued in Gjilan.
“Many citizens didn’t hesitate and joined us. We were also supported by the coffee shops and small businesses. There were some who didn’t allow our posters in their shops but however many of the citizens supported our initiative” the SELF DETERMINATION Movement.
SELF DETERMINATION! Center in Gjilan, will continue with this activity in the future, states the SELF DETERMINATION! Movement.


35 posted on 05/29/2006 5:24:45 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill

One more reason [as if any more were needed] to keep them apart. Coexist they cannot, which should be self-evident even to the blind. And self-determination is a good slogan, Woodrow Wilson used it, IIRC.


36 posted on 05/29/2006 5:41:41 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: GSlob

yes he did.... The problem is they do co-exist and the Serbs are getting the blunt of it for now. They have since 1999. The Albanians will never accept partitioning as this would be against Greater Albania as much as not having independence......they want that ski resort in Strpce as well. The international community, KFOR could solve this if they weren't so corrupt and obviously one sided.....true....


37 posted on 05/29/2006 6:35:55 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill

Well, they obviously have been taking turns hitting one another. Tallying the score is a fool's errand, and besides that's what the nationalists on both sides will be/already are doing. The best that could be done now is to minimize [to the extent possible] present and future frictions. After what they have done to one another, no sane Albanian would wish to live under Serbs, nor any sane Serb under Albanians. Thus a partition is the best option.


38 posted on 05/29/2006 6:46:00 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: GSlob

yes, theorically, but the Albanians will not accept it in the way they won't accept automony.......NATO would have to force the issue dealing the same punishment for violations. The biggest problem is that the LDK, Serbs and rest have been victims from the beginning. The massacres described by the U.S., UN and international community didn't happen in any way the media protrayed it. This is what happened. It's a favorite child being covered while the non so favorite child is getting beat for the same crime......


39 posted on 05/29/2006 6:51:54 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: tgambill

Pox on them all.


40 posted on 05/29/2006 7:01:48 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: GSlob

The Serbs are protecting their middle level police chiefs in Presevo....and The Mafia is protecting their own.....that is The Black Hand (off shoot from it's former organization)..The opposite Serbian Political hardliners are turning in the ones they want to for political reasons that the opposite holds true about the new generation......

The paramilitaries are looking for an excuse......to come back into Kosovo to create hell and havoc, the moderates just don't want to lose Kosovo based on it is their cradle of religion. The U.S. and internationals have an agenda that sides with the Albanians....the Albanians want a Greater Albania that they've dreamed of even before WWII., Serbs are the victims now, and actually have been even before 1999....on and on...............yep...POX...


41 posted on 05/29/2006 7:49:36 AM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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To: FormerLib

Oh, gslob is here.. a real hater of the Serbian Christians.


42 posted on 05/29/2006 2:47:08 PM PDT by Lion in Winter (islamics are not religious, just set on on mass murder of non-muslims!!)
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To: GSlob

Tell us, do you call Ms. Sheehan by her first name in public these days?


43 posted on 05/29/2006 5:56:00 PM PDT by FormerLib ("...the past ten years in Kosovo will be replayed here in what some call Aztlan.")
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To: hamhand

I would pay money to support you for president. You already have my vote for the independent party. You are absolutely and totally correct. The Albanians would also be better off, but because of the generations old dream of 1948, they can never concide to this. One member of the FARK (Albanian professional commanders), Commander Drini, was assassinated by the Albanian extremist....Thaci, Ramush, Ceku group. because he wanted to just focus on Kosovo and work things out without the extremist.

The Albanians dare not challenge the PDK, AAK, LPK, LKCK, etc.....that is made up of the Mafia and old 1948 Balle Kombetar frame of thinking. The Serbs would have it running right in no time. However, the U.S. Administration and NWO would not have control of the agenda that was started in 1948 by the CIA, as well.

Bottom line, you have the real, only strategy that would actually work for both the Albanians and the Serbs.......

Once they get independence, open season on Serbs and moderate Albanians against Albanians.


47 posted on 05/31/2006 12:26:19 PM PDT by tgambill (I would like to comment.....)
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