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To: Morgan in Denver

So Durbin thinks this is a shoo-in platform for the Democrats?! Ha, he better guess again. I said this yesterday and I need to say it again!

The democrats are fixin' to lose on this more than the republicans. Believe it or not, a lot of the democratic base is furious with their party for this immigration bill. Unions and Blacks, for example, are hardest hit by excessive immigration. The illegals and even legal third-world workforce are taking the lower paid American workers out at the knees. I never, ever thought I'd agree with a DU'er, but check out THEIR immigration threads. They are, of course, blaming the big coporations and business class, but they see that their dem politicos are mostly in bed with the these classes. It is interesting, to say the least.

In Southern California, 50% of the construction work force is illegal aliens, many if not most paid under the table, which has effectively ruined the American construction workers ability to bring home a decent salary. I guess now these American construction workers can retrain as computer programmers? Well, guess again! The senate immigration bill ALSO increases the HB1 visa for high tech foreign workers from 65,000 to 125,000!!!

The reason? The senators say there are not enough high tech workers in this country! What a crock! They've been grossly misled or are flat out liars. There is no shortage of high tech workers, just a shortage of high tech workers who can work for peanuts! I am a high tech trainer/instructor. I am certified in a bunch of products; I am a Microsoft Certified Trainer. If a person has coded cobol or c for the last couple of decades, he/she can easily be taught asp.net, Java, VB, C#, etc, etc.

My older students (40s-50s) are often asking me if I've heard about any decent jobs, because they are so often without one. Ask me, I'll provide any business man with names and resumes. But guess what? They cannot afford to work for minimum wage, so be prepared to pay a normal salary. These folks will negotiate a wage if you'd just let them show you their talents and skills. But it is cheaper in the short run to fire an engineer or coder when he/she gets older because they cost so much salary and benefit wise, compared to the HB1 indentured servant who will work for peanuts and provide long hours to avoid the risk of being sent home.

We are losing jobs at the bottom and the middle, due to the one-two bunch of illegal immigration and HB1 visas. The senate (both dems and repubs) has screwed the American worker.

God help the American worker. When he/she is gone, then the big corporations will realize they killed the goose that laid the golden egg!


636 posted on 05/28/2006 2:51:37 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Alas Babylon!

Thanks for the rant. Lot here I did not know, or at least realized.

I DO agree with you on Durbin misunderstanding the mood of voters, along with most Democrats. They got people mad at Bush and think the reason is what they have been saying, but they are missing the signs.

A voter mad at President Bush is NOT going to vote Democrat because of a promise to cut and run from Iraq NOR the promise of national Hillary-care. The heck with illegal immigration, the Democrats wanting to give illegal aliens the right to vote is not going to attract many supporters.



645 posted on 05/28/2006 3:01:16 PM PDT by Morgan in Denver
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To: Alas Babylon!; Morgan in Denver
Alas B, thanks for the personal input. I find it to be the most valuable sort of info in these discussions. Yeah, I've got some root'n tootin' grower/rancher acquaintances who start staring at their expensive boots when this topic of illegals in the workforce comes up. And the ultimate issue, for me, is the leaky border's negative potential for national security.

Morgan: A voter mad at President Bush is NOT going to vote Democrat because of a promise to cut and run from Iraq NOR the promise of national Hillary-care. The heck with illegal immigration, the Democrats wanting to give illegal aliens the right to vote is not going to attract many supporters.

This is probably a fair description of where I will be if the House caves on the immigration bill. I'm not going to throw out the Republican baby with the bath water. But Pub candidates on the other side of this issue from me have already paid the price on my Republican Primary absentee ballot.
659 posted on 05/28/2006 3:44:26 PM PDT by PerConPat (A politician is an animal which can sit on a fence and yet keep both ears to the ground.-- Mencken)
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To: Alas Babylon!
#636 great post, very interesting things to know and I believe you might be right about it hurting Dems more. Even some of the Minutemen that recently signed on are Black. This is a fight for our very Souls, and a battle we have to win.
739 posted on 05/28/2006 6:14:27 PM PDT by samantha (cheer up, the adults are in charge! Soldier in Bucket Brigade Reporting for Duty.)
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