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Irish Supreme Court Strikes Down Age of Sexual Consent Law
LifeSiteNews ^ | 5/29/06 | Gudrun Schultz

Posted on 05/29/2006 12:45:27 PM PDT by wagglebee

DUBLIN, Ireland, May 29, 2006 (LifeSiteNews.com) - Ireland's Supreme Court struck down the nation's statutory rape law as unconstitutional last week, leaving a legal void the Department of Justice is now scrambling to fill.

A provision in the law made sexual intercourse with a girl under the age of 15 automatically considered rape, regardless of the circumstances. The Supreme Court ruled the law was unconstitutional on the grounds it did not leave room for a genuine mistake, even if it were proven that a girl had lied about her age, reported the Irish Emigrant this morning.

The ruling resulted from a recent case of a man charged with four counts of statutory rape for having sex with a 14-year-old girl. He was 18 at the time; the girl told him she was 16.

Although the ruling accepted the man's defence, the court did state that "the protection of young girls from engaging in consensual sex is a legitimate end to be pursued by appropriate means," indicating the need for new legislation.

Multiple cases of statutory rape charges before the courts were thrown into question by the ruling, media reported last week. RTÉ news reported Friday on a 38-year old man convicted of the unlawful carnal knowledge of a 12-year-old girl, two years ago, who was expected to challenge his conviction in court this week. The Irish Times reported Saturday on several cases, including a 26-year-old man who was allowed to withdraw his guilty plea of having sex with a 14-year-old girl.

Rape support groups expressed outrage over the ruling, saying it would give a "green light" to child sex offenders. A spokeswoman for the Rape Crisis Network said the new laws could strengthen the protection of children, however, by including young boys in the legislation, a group left largely unprotected by the 1935 law, reported the Emigrant.

New laws closing the temporary legal gap are expected to be in place within two weeks.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ageofconsent; eringoblow; ireland; moralabsolutes; pedophiles; shantyirish; teensex
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To: Unam Sanctam

Soon Steven Breyer will be seeing this precedent as applying to the 14th amendment's equal protection clause. Democrats think that sex with children is merely an alternative lifestyle.


21 posted on 05/29/2006 1:21:55 PM PDT by kjo
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear
Yeah, it's terrible that real sex offenders are taking advantage of this.
22 posted on 05/29/2006 1:22:46 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~| IRA supporters on FR are trolls, end of story!)
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To: wagglebee
Next they'll allow raping of two year old babies.

Ireland is down the sewer.

23 posted on 05/29/2006 1:24:08 PM PDT by FerdieMurphy (For English, Press One. (Tookie, you won the Pulitzer and Nobel prizes. Oh, too late.))
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To: wagglebee

Shouldn't the burden be on the older person to obtain proof of age? Heck, a store that sells tobacco or booze to a minor that lied about their age is still guilty.

Out of wedlock sex should require a higher standard than this.

The gays have a desire to remove all age barriers, this ruling is one of the cases to that end.


24 posted on 05/29/2006 1:26:51 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: wagglebee

A posting about this a few days ago gave a little better take on the matter. Under the law that was struck down, a defense wasn't allowed if the accused acknowled that the act took place.
In the case that challenged the law the former posting indicated the boy was seventeen and the girl was fifteen though she told him she was sixteen. In that case I think the court's ruling was a good one. If she had been sixteen there wouldn't have been a crime.


25 posted on 05/29/2006 1:29:09 PM PDT by em2vn
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To: em2vn
If she had been sixteen there wouldn't have been a crime.

If he took the time to know her, there wouldn't have been a crime either.

26 posted on 05/29/2006 1:31:28 PM PDT by Raycpa
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To: wagglebee

The Randall P. McMurphy defense.


27 posted on 05/29/2006 1:34:38 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: Raycpa
Heck, a store that sells tobacco or booze to a minor that lied about their age is still guilty.

Sure.. ID cards can't be faked. < /sarcasm >

28 posted on 05/29/2006 1:34:39 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~| IRA supporters on FR are trolls, end of story!)
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To: MineralMan

Is Aer Lingus any relation to Connie Lingus?


29 posted on 05/29/2006 1:36:45 PM PDT by razorback-bert (Kooks For Kinky)
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To: 68skylark
I'm not sure he really should be branded a rapists and sex offender for the rest of his life (not to mention serve a long jail term), if this girl really made a plausible claim that she was 15 or 16.

There was a thread recently on FR about a vigilante who murdered two convicted sex offenders whose addresses he was able to get from a database. Naturally, he received lots of thumbs up on the forum despite the fact that one of the "sex offenders" he murdered was an 18 or 19 year-old high school student convicted of having sex with his underaged girlfriend.

30 posted on 05/29/2006 1:44:24 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: wagglebee
... the court did state that "the protection of young girls from engaging in consensual sex is a legitimate end to be pursued by appropriate means,"...

no protection of young boys is needed ?
31 posted on 05/29/2006 1:45:10 PM PDT by stylin19a (There are 10 kinds of people in the world, those who understand binary and those who don't)
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To: MineralMan
That's what supreme courts do...throw out bad laws and force legislators to think again and make the law sensible.

Sheesh. I really don't care much about Irelands Supreme Court but I would hope that not one Justice on the SCOTUS thinks that he has the power to throw out "bad laws".

32 posted on 05/29/2006 1:45:22 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

That's how the Constitution of Ireland works - it's the only check we have on the Executive and the Legislative.

I'm confused... can the US Supreme Court throw out unconstitutional laws?


33 posted on 05/29/2006 1:49:52 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~| IRA supporters on FR are trolls, end of story!)
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To: Drew68
There was a thread recently on FR about a vigilante who murdered two convicted sex offenders whose addresses he was able to get from a database. Naturally, he received lots of thumbs up on the forum despite the fact that one of the "sex offenders" he murdered was an 18 or 19 year-old high school student convicted of having sex with his underaged girlfriend.

I hadn't heard about that.

Overall I love FR, and freepers in general. But a couple of individuals need to dial back their blood lust just a little bit.

34 posted on 05/29/2006 1:52:32 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: stylin19a
A spokeswoman for the Rape Crisis Network said the new laws could strengthen the protection of children, however, by including young boys in the legislation, a group left largely unprotected by the 1935 law, reported the Emigrant.

Currently, the law doesn't protect boys, according to this article. But hopefully there will be a new law that will.

35 posted on 05/29/2006 1:54:46 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

"I'm confused... can the US Supreme Court throw out unconstitutional laws?
"

Of course it can, and frequently does.


36 posted on 05/29/2006 1:54:49 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: MineralMan

That's what I thought.


37 posted on 05/29/2006 1:55:51 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~| IRA supporters on FR are trolls, end of story!)
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To: 68skylark
Currently, the law doesn't protect boys, according to this article. But hopefully there will be a new law that will.

I hope they do - but my government hasn't a good record at bringing in laws without serious loopholes.

38 posted on 05/29/2006 1:57:32 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~| IRA supporters on FR are trolls, end of story!)
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To: jwalsh07

"Sheesh. I really don't care much about Irelands Supreme Court but I would hope that not one Justice on the SCOTUS thinks that he has the power to throw out "bad laws"."

By bad laws, I mean laws that are unconstitutional. The SCOTUS (and the lower federal courts) throgh unconstitutional laws out all the time. I doubt that will change anytime soon.


39 posted on 05/29/2006 1:58:51 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: razorback-bert

Nope. Aer Lingus is the Irish Airline. Sorry to disappoint you.


40 posted on 05/29/2006 1:59:26 PM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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