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Like it or not, we need to know what is being said out there.
1 posted on 05/29/2006 6:38:23 PM PDT by bnelson44
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To: Coop

Ping to another Briones story...

All of this coming out today...on Memorial Day.

How convenient...but, I don't get this guy--he sure is talking free and easy about this..IMHO.


2 posted on 05/29/2006 6:40:51 PM PDT by Txsleuth
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To: bnelson44
The MSM will not put this under the correct light in any mannerk, shape or form whatsoever -

This situation is nothing more then a tool for the MSM to use - The sick reality is they are happy an event like this took place (and the whole truth has yet to come out in this.....especially regarding those facts that put these soldiers actions in a more understanding (for lack of a better term at the moment) light).

3 posted on 05/29/2006 6:43:18 PM PDT by SevenMinusOne
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To: bnelson44
We're heading into a left-wing, MSM feeding frenzy.

Shakespeare wrote that no leader ever went to battle with troops that were all spotless -- that doesn't override all the good we've done and will do.

" . . . There is no
king, be his cause never so spotless, if it come to
the arbitrement of swords, can try it out with all
unspotted soldiers: some peradventure have on them
the guilt of premeditated and contrived murder;
some, of beguiling virgins with the broken seals of
perjury; some, making the wars their bulwark, that
have before gored the gentle bosom of peace with
pillage and robbery. Now, if these men have
defeated the law and outrun native punishment,
though they can outstrip men, they have no wings to
fly from God."

Henry V

In this play, the King punished war criminals. The bad guys did not. It's one of the differences between us and them. The press doesn't give a ^%#$&%.

5 posted on 05/29/2006 6:47:58 PM PDT by 68skylark
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To: bnelson44

We probably killed some innocents in SE Asia but the real bloodbath happened when we left.


6 posted on 05/29/2006 6:48:16 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Proud soldier in the American Army of Occupation..)
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To: bnelson44
The liberal degenerates can't help themselves. They love to smirk like apes when it comes to the love ordinary Americans have for this country.

So they preen and spew on Memorial Day. It's what the swine do.

7 posted on 05/29/2006 6:50:09 PM PDT by Reactionary (The Barking of the Native Moonbat is the Sound of Moral Nitwittery)
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To: bnelson44
Briones wasn't there. All he saw was the aftermath. What he saw was compatible with either a) a massacre; or b) storming a house from which fire was received and shooting anything that moved in the house.

(b) is a lot different that (a).

9 posted on 05/29/2006 6:58:56 PM PDT by pierrem15
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To: bnelson44

I wonder if he'll complain about the media when they start to paint all Marines as "baby killers".


10 posted on 05/29/2006 7:02:00 PM PDT by usmcobra (Marines out of uniform might as well be nude, since they can no longer be recognized as Marines.)
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To: bnelson44

To be honest, after the Jesse MacBeth story, my first thought is "Is he really a Marine?"


11 posted on 05/29/2006 7:05:26 PM PDT by wizardoz
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To: bnelson44

" ... that military investigators have concluded killed the unarmed civilians..."

"At least two military investigations are under way into the deaths at Haditha .."

They have arrived at conclusions while investigations are still being conducted. Is that you, Mike Nifong ??


12 posted on 05/29/2006 7:06:40 PM PDT by Wild Irish Rogue
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To: bnelson44

All wars bring atrocities and murder even on the good guys side. That is just the reality of war. Even
WWII "the greatest generation" had its share too.

But the moonbat left wing media will be relentless in using this single event to define every service person, that "Bush has made our boys into murderers with his war built on lies". they will undermine the war on terror with it, they will erode support in the war against radical islam, they will use it against President Bush and anything else they can use it to gain traction on.

Our nation can handle any wrong doings of those involved. We have the methods and system that will deal with any wrong doing, whatever it may have been. Any wrong doings does not define our military nor our nation. WE will define that by our methods of democracy and sense of doing whats right.

But our nation is not ready for the sick attacks of its own radical left to exploit this.

Everyone of us is going to have to get out there and push back on them.

We all have the power now. Right here in our hands. At our fingertips. USE IT.

Dont let them get away with it.

Free Republic is a great resource. But take that knowledge, facts and power out of here and put it into the blogs, the papers, the radio, the TV, and wherever else sound reasoning stands a chance at being heard.


14 posted on 05/29/2006 7:10:42 PM PDT by Names Ash Housewares
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To: bnelson44

This reminds me of the extensive airplay that the My Lai massacre received by the MSM several decades ago. Over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, for years, for years, for years, all to demolish the good name of our military, as if this is the only story in town. We'll never hear the end of it.


20 posted on 05/29/2006 7:35:40 PM PDT by Ciexyz (Let us always remember, the Lord is in control.)
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To: bnelson44

Interesting interview, but Briones doesn't really seem to kmow very much.

Also, it's interesting that the IED explosion happened, and THEN another squad was called to the scene. They got there and the place was a "smoky, chaotic scene". Briones was part of that second squad.

So who is being investigated? Other Marines who were with Terrazas when he was killed? Or Briones and that second squad who were dispatched to the scene?

Was the whole thing a setup by insurgents?


21 posted on 05/29/2006 7:36:58 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: bnelson44; All
I don't know how many combat Marines are on this thread but I am one. And I am telling you people this piece is HORSE MANURE.

"After the explosion, Marines began a methodical sweep of homes looking for the bomber or people who knew his identity, according to officials briefed on the investigation. At some point Marines entered three nearby homes, killing the people inside( NOT KNOWN YET)

Briones said he didn't see any of that."


So we don't know any more than we did yesterday.

All we know for a fact is that people were killed. We don't know whether they may have been killed in crossfire, by the "bad guys" which is more likely since murdering innocents is their "M.O.", by Marines or by Iraqi soldiers who let me remind you were also with the Marines.

People are out there every day trying to kill Marines. They don't wear uniforms and they don't say "hey, I'm the enemy and I want you dead!"
And they don't mind killing themselves in the process. And since none of you were there; please keep your opinions to yourself until the verdict is in. The media tried to convict one Marine who killed a "bad guy" who was "playing dead" and that Marine was exonerated.

Gezzzzzz, we're memorializing those who paid the ultimate price for freedom this weekend including Marines and we have to read this horse manure.

Semper Fi,
Kelly
26 posted on 05/29/2006 7:57:34 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: bnelson44
said he wasn't among the small group of Marines that military investigators have concluded killed the unarmed civilians, including children and elderly men and women.

Concluded?!

28 posted on 05/29/2006 8:07:00 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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Bring me an eyewitness that will identify the Marines who did this. Bring me bullets recovered at autopsy of the victims with ballistic matches to the rifles of the accused. Until you have that level of proof, this is an unproven accusation. The shooting could just as well have been done by "insurgents". Bring the physical proof that it was the Marines as accused.

The Marine cited in this post didn't see the victims being shot. He arrived after they were shot. Since he didn't see the actual shooting, his report of the aftermath carries little weight with respect to whether the accusations are valid or not.

31 posted on 05/29/2006 8:58:01 PM PDT by Myrddin
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To: bnelson44
Did you see THIS:

Briones indicated that since returning home to Hanford, Calif., he has suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder stemming from the corpses he saw and carried that day. "They ranged from little babies to adult males and females," the Times quoted him as saying.

Less than two days after coming home he was charged with stealing a pickup truck, leaving the scene of the accident, driving under the influence of alcohol and resisting arrest, the newspaper said.

__________________________________________

Sort of goes to Briones' credibility, don't you think? Curious how this reporter didn't make any mention of this little tidbit.

41 posted on 05/29/2006 10:32:31 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: bnelson44

Don't the Iraqi's have one of those religious rules where the body is buried within hours of death and no autopsies?


42 posted on 05/29/2006 11:01:11 PM PDT by AmeriBrit (ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION IS A WEAPON OF MASS DESTRUCTION, IT INCLUDES TERRORIST SLEEPER CELLS!!)
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To: bnelson44; rolling_stone

From # 43:

"There's a ton of information that isn't out there yet," said one lawyer, who, like the others, would speak only on the condition of anonymity because a potential client has not been charged. The radio message traffic, he said, will provide a different view of the incident than has been presented by Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) and other members of Congress. For example, he said, contrary to Murtha's account, it will show that the Marines came under small-arms fire after the roadside explosion




I'd say this is at LEAST as important a piece of specualtion as what Murtha is doing...


44 posted on 05/30/2006 4:49:54 AM PDT by SE Mom (God Bless those who serve.)
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