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Drone's Video May Aid Marine Inquiry
Washington Post via washingtonpost.com ^ | May 30, 2006 | Thomas E. Ricks

Posted on 05/29/2006 9:45:20 PM PDT by Lancey Howard

Military investigators piecing together what happened in the Iraqi town of Haditha on Nov. 19 -- when Marines allegedly killed two dozen civilians -- have access to video shot by an unmanned drone aircraft that was circling overhead for at least part of that day, military defense lawyers familiar with the case said in interviews.

It is unclear whether the video obtained from that day's flight captured the violence, said the lawyers, who have consulted with Marines who were there. One lawyer said investigators have reviewed surveillance footage taken hours after the shootings, which showed the Marines returning to the town to remove the bodies of the Iraqis.

Yesterday, Marine Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said charges will be issued against troops if the evidence merits it. For now, however, "it would be premature for me to judge" the outcome of the two U.S. military investigations, Pace said on CBS's "The Early Show." "We'll get to the bottom of the investigation and take the appropriate action."

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KEYWORDS: briones; drone; dui; haditha; iraq; peterpace; roelbriones; roelryanbriones; ryanbriones; uav; uavs; wousa
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To: Navy Patriot
It's not a case anymore of, "Is the MSM lying?"

It's now a case of, "How is it lying: commission (telling us falsehoods) or omission (not telling the whole story)?"
21 posted on 05/29/2006 11:41:37 PM PDT by decal (My name is "decal" and I approve this tagline)
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To: Navy Patriot
I propose that this is round two, with the same cast in the background.

I believe you could very well be right. It's hard for me to believe a platoon of Marines would do this or that a platoon would cover something like this up for a few. It just doesn't smell right.

As for Murtha, I can't see one single reason for him to come forward like he did and crucify the Marines unless he's starting to suffer from the onset of dementia, and I'm serious. He sparked the media's onslaught of this even if they were ready for it.

It's hard to know how it'll play out but much damage has already been done, even if it turns out to be bogus. Murtha should be impeached but the next best thing will be if Diana Irey beats him in November.

22 posted on 05/29/2006 11:44:25 PM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: jazusamo
It's hard for me to believe a platoon of Marines would do this or that a platoon would cover something like this up for a few. It just doesn't smell right.

I make the same assessment, I worked covert insertion/recovery of Marines and they are all about the mission, no wild card stuff.

23 posted on 05/30/2006 12:00:43 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (How come Mexican illegals don't sneak into Cuba?)
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To: Navy Patriot

"I make the same assessment, I worked covert insertion/recovery of Marines and they are all about the mission, no wild card stuff."

Doesn't matter. Those marines are already condemned in the world community. This story is being played world wide and being used for recruitment of more terrorists.

There are two sets of rules in play here. One side is doing their best to comply with the law and behave honorably. The other has no rules and will do anything to further their agenda of hurting Bush and America in general. Remember "its fake but accurate".

The MSM is rapidly becoming more obsolete. Our real agenda should be ways to expedite that and put these traitors out on the street or in jail.


24 posted on 05/30/2006 12:30:14 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: skimask

I'm not a Marine, but I agree. Perhaps one Marine going around the bend, but several all at once?


25 posted on 05/30/2006 12:49:54 AM PDT by skr (We cannot play innocents abroad in a world that is not innocent.-- Ronald Reagan)
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To: o_zarkman44
Al Queda accidentally killed two of their allies from CBS today.

An absolutely despicable thing to say. Those two people were employees of a legitimate American corporation, who were doing their job the best they knew how. If the military chain of command, at any level, did not want those folks tagging along, they wouldn't have been there. Your comment is disgusting and you should ask that it be removed.

26 posted on 05/30/2006 1:03:10 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: Lancey Howard; Coop

bump


27 posted on 05/30/2006 1:04:28 AM PDT by RaceBannon (ma(Prov 28:1 KJV) The wicked flee when no man pursueth: but the righteous are bold as a lion.)
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To: skr; skimask; karnage
Perhaps one Marine going around the bend, but several all at once?

Two word: My Lai.

28 posted on 05/30/2006 1:07:46 AM PDT by leadpenny
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To: driftdiver
There are two sets of rules in play here.

Well, yes. Re my "The MSM are writing in a manner that implies the Marines are already proved guilty, a tactic they seem unwilling to use on, for instance, William Jefferson D-La."

Our real agenda should be ways to expedite that and put these traitors out on the street or in jail.

Well, yes. Re my "When these Marines are exonerated, Murtha should have to pay under the Patriot act in Gitmo, I would do the honors."

While I agree that the Marines have been slandered deliberately worldwide, (and it will be used as a terrorist recruitment tool) they would be hated anyway. We can't please these scumbag foreigners that will make up and believe any lie about an American (with or without MSM help) and we should NEVER try.

The speed of the self destruction of the MSM is largely dependent on them. Unfortunately, they have to screw up and get caught (RaTher) and we won't frame them (two sets of rules). As much as I want it now, I always have to wait.

About all I can suggest is additional training for our military on politically motivated frame ups and how to pro actively frustrate them.

29 posted on 05/30/2006 1:26:50 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (How come Mexican illegals don't sneak into Cuba?)
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To: decal

Agreed.


30 posted on 05/30/2006 1:28:39 AM PDT by Navy Patriot (How come Mexican illegals don't sneak into Cuba?)
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To: Navy Patriot
Unfortunately, they have to screw up and get caught (RaTher) and we won't frame them (two sets of rules).

I was thinking of ways to pave their way and not to frame them. Framing implies we would have to lie about their behavior. Dont htink thats necessary.

31 posted on 05/30/2006 1:31:05 AM PDT by driftdiver
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To: Lancey Howard

Friendly Fire Incident.


32 posted on 05/30/2006 1:36:14 AM PDT by Candor7
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To: Echo Talon

AP is already publishing "analysis" saying this will drive down support for the war and further damage US President Bush.

How can Bush can out in front of this story and not let that happen.

How does a President at 35% approval deal with this?


33 posted on 05/30/2006 2:47:39 AM PDT by Patriot from Philly
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To: Lancey Howard
At Abu Ghrabib, the pictures were released by defense lawyers for the soldiers involved. Why they thought that would help I don't understand.

In fact, the first one who did this got a very tough sentence. Frederick, I believe his name was. His father was whining about how he contacted the military and told them to drop the charges.

The now deceased David Hackworth was involved as was Seymour Hirsh, although most of his reporting turned out to be false.
34 posted on 05/30/2006 2:50:44 AM PDT by Patriot from Philly
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To: Patriot from Philly

Strange how the President is at fault for everything that every member of military does. Especially when his military has investigated and has punished members of the military in the past.


35 posted on 05/30/2006 2:51:55 AM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: leadpenny

CBS as an organization in general is about as much an ally of Al Queda as "Pinch" Sulzberger is...


36 posted on 05/30/2006 3:18:18 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
From the CNN article:

"...The Wrights declined to say whether their son witnessed the killings or what he thought of the allegations against other members of his unit. He was under so much pressure because of the investigation that he consulted an attorney, they said. He has also experienced psychological trauma...."

Terms like psychological trauma when used by the familes usually indicate close collaboration with lawyers. "This is what you NEED to say..." they are told.

Well, I guess that old saying that Lawyers suck until you need em' is true.

37 posted on 05/30/2006 3:27:08 AM PDT by rlmorel ("Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does." Whittaker Chambers)
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To: Lancey Howard

There's going to have to be some really compelling evidence before I turn on this Marine unit. None of this so far passes the smell test.


38 posted on 05/30/2006 3:39:59 AM PDT by Kakaze (American: a Citizen of the United States of America........not just some resident of said continent)
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To: skr
Not several gone berserk but a whole Marine unit for three to five hours (and now it has been revealed) under the watchful eye of a predator drone that a commander can use to study the situation and tape all the events as well.

This doesn't smell like a cover up any more this smells like a set up of Muthra and company, that perhaps they have been fed tibbits of info that will make them run off at the mouth, and at the right moment they will be exposed to the truth and will be totally discredited and disgraced.

39 posted on 05/30/2006 4:10:32 AM PDT by usmcobra (Marines out of uniform might as well be nude, since they can no longer be recognized as Marines.)
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To: Lancey Howard

"There's a ton of information that isn't out there yet," said one lawyer, who, like the others, would speak only on the condition of anonymity because a potential client has not been charged. The radio message traffic, he said, will provide a different view of the incident than has been presented by Rep. John P. Murtha (D-Pa.) and other members of Congress. For example, he said, contrary to Murtha's account, it will show that the Marines came under small-arms fire after the roadside explosion.

One of the military lawyers said Nov. 19 was the 3rd Battalion's "hottest day" in Iraq, and was unusually violent even for al Anbar Province, which is where the insurgency began and where it remains extremely active.

In addition to drone surveillance that day, AV-8 Harriers were dropping bombs, helicopters were evacuating wounded, and a large firefight occurred about one-third of a mile from the site of the civilian shootings, said several people familiar with the investigation.

Also yesterday, the Los Angeles Times reported that a Marine said he photographed at least 15 bodies after the attack, which he said he was not involved in. Lance Cpl. Roel Ryan Briones, the first member of the unit to speak publicly about the incident, told the newspaper that after he took the pictures he helped remove bodies, including that of a young girl who had been shot in the head.

Briones indicated that since returning home to Hanford, Calif., he has suffered from post-traumatic stress disorder stemming from the corpses he saw and carried that day. "They ranged from little babies to adult males and females," the Times quoted him as saying.

Less than two days after coming home he was charged with stealing a pickup truck, leaving the scene of the accident, driving under the influence of alcohol and resisting arrest, the newspaper said.

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Since when do Marines carry bodies in their arms? They have body bags, stretchers, etc. for this task.


40 posted on 05/30/2006 4:14:07 AM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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