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Is the tide finally turning in Mexico?
The San Diego Tribune ^ | 5/30/2006 | GEORGIE ANNE GEYER

Posted on 05/30/2006 7:18:26 AM PDT by Obadiah

Funny thing about Mexican President Vicente Fox's visit to the American West last week: It didn't turn out as one would have expected.

The tall, lanky, laconic “presidente,” who seemed to offer such hope to Mexico when he was elected five years ago, started out in Salt Lake City with the usual emotional cries for “fairness” and “decent treatment of our people.” But before his visits to Washington and California were over, it was clear that the background music to the old show had changed dramatically.

Fox was greeted by some of the best in the American intellectual community with an honesty about his abundant failures that has not been seen before. A brilliant paper by professor George W. Grayson of the College of William & Mary, widely circulated before the visit, laid out Mexico's shame:

(Excerpt) Read more at signonsandiego.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Mexico; US: Arizona; US: California; US: New Mexico; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: aliens; illegalimmigration; mexico
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Mexico gains $28 billion from oil revenue and $20 billion from immigrant remittances.

Ironically, the debate and the anger in the U.S. about this mammoth illegal immigration has already helped Mexico to begin to shed its dependency on America – and to turn its energies toward its own real predators, all home-grown.

1 posted on 05/30/2006 7:18:28 AM PDT by Obadiah
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To: Obadiah

I have noticed a number of talk show hosts are referring to G.W. as Vincente Bush. I can see why.

From NationalLedger.com

Commentary
Bush: ‘Read My Lips – No New Amnesty’
By Nicholas Stix
May 29, 2006

When George Herbert Walker Bush was the Republican presidential nominee for the first time, in 1988, he told the Republican National Convention, “Read my lips: No new taxes.” It became his most effective campaign slogan, and one of the keys to his electoral victory.

But Bush the Elder ultimately raised taxes. In 1992, his base responded variously by staying at home or by voting for third-party candidate Ross Perot, thus bringing brought about the election of Bill Clinton.

Immigrants are Our Future

Bush the Younger fancies himself much smarter than his father. Thus, he did not announce, during either of his presidential campaigns, his plan to grant an amnesty to what now amounts to – according to pro-illegal immigration Bear Stearns economists Robert Justich and Betty Ng – over 20 million illegal immigrants plus their parents plus their children plus their siblings plus anyone who will pay them to say they are blood relatives, much less his plan to bring in, according to an analysis by Sen. Jeff Sessions’ (R, AL) staff, another 200 million legal immigrants over the next 20 years, or to mention the tidal wave of new illegal immigration (another 100 million?) this amnesty would bring about. He knew it would cost him the election, if he did. And so, he bided his time.

Well, George W. Bush still isn’t taking any chances, and so when he finally announced his amnesty plan, he did the equivalent of saying, ‘Read my lips: No new amnesty.’ (“What I have just described is not amnesty.”) He figures that if he lies enough about his planned amnesty, people won’t figure it out until it’s too late. “Too late” means after the coming fall elections. And to sweeten the pot for his social and religious conservative base (or as Karl Rove would call it, "the suckers"), he will propose a constitutional amendment to ban gay marriage.

This is all a word game. Bush is simply calling amnesty by other names: “temporary worker program,” “rational middle ground,” etc. He insists that he seeks amnesty, er, rational middle ground only for veteran criminals, but not for rookies.

“That middle ground recognizes that there are differences between an illegal immigrant who crossed the border recently and someone who has worked here for many years, and has a home, a family, and an otherwise clean record.”

And yet, as Bush well knows, under the Treason Plan (known variously as the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act and as S. 2611) he champions and the Senate passed, 62-36, on Thursday, we will end up with amnestied, naturalized, “temporary workers”; amnestied, naturalized, recently arrived illegals; and amnestied, naturalized, long-term illegals. But for treason and democide to prevail, the House must pass its own version. Thus, there is still hope for America.

That Burning Sensation

The man who for years portrayed himself as a straight talker, is peeing on our leg, and telling us that it’s raining.

I voted for George W. Bush in 2000, and again in 2004. As the saying goes, “Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me.”

I suppose President Bush can tell himself that his proposal isn’t really an illegal immigration “amnesty,” because along with immigration law and America’s borders, he is eliminating the very concept of American citizenship. No legal citizens, no illegal immigrants.

The President says he is sending 6,000 National Guardsmen to the Mexican border, but is sending them unarmed, and in fact, not stationing them on the border at all, but in offices, where they will do “paper work.”

But that’s just a stopgap. Mr. Bush’s plan is, by the end of 2008, for the 6,000 do-nothing National Guardsmen to be replaced by 6,000 new, do-nothing Border Patrol agents. That’s over $400 million of nothing per year, courtesy of the American taxpayer.

If Citizens Didn’t Exist, We’d Have to Invent Them

And yet, the ruling elites will still need something to distinguish themselves from the rest of those whose pockets they’re busy picking. And so, there will still be illegal immigration in-between serial amnesties that will occur every few years, because the elites will demand ever cheaper baby sitters, gardeners, cooks, cleaning ladies, dog walkers, car washers, etc. The elites’ll show how morally superior they are to us paupers who can’t afford illegal servants, by periodically demanding amnesty for their servants. This will also endear them to the servants. Then, as soon as the newest mass amnesty goes through, they’ll fire their newly legalized servants, and replace them for even less with new illegals. (‘I’m sorry, Maria, but I just can’t afford you anymore.’)

Soy Un Yahoo

Neocon godfatherette William Kristol has his own word for commoners: “Yahoos.”

Echoing the Liar-in-Chief, and apparently cognizant that consistency is one of the three laws of lying; Kristol denies that the Bush amnesty plan is, in fact, an amnesty plan. Unfortunately, however, like President Bush, Bill Kristol seems unaware of the first law of lying: Plausibility.

At this rate, George W. Bush’s greatest political achievement will obtain in having rescued Bill Clinton from historical infamy. The Clintons’ reign of crime looks better with each passing day.

Taps?

On Memorial Day, in honoring our war dead from the Revolutionary War unto the War on Terror, we say “Lest we forget.” At Gettysburg, Abraham Lincoln exhorted, “that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain.”

In the new dispensation according to George W. Bush, however, those men did die in vain. Bush fully intends to surrender our patrimony.

If the House goes along with the Senate and the People permit it, this Memorial Day will prove to have been a time to grieve for America itself.

The new Bush plan is the ultimate in taxation without representation. It is revolutionary in its provocation and in its consequences. Perhaps we should stop calling the plan’s patron President Bush, and instead start calling him King George.

We the People survived a civil war, but can we survive George W. Bush?


2 posted on 05/30/2006 7:20:44 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: KeyLargo

I'll 'Bump' that.


3 posted on 05/30/2006 7:23:16 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (The Fourth Estate is a Fifth Column!!!!!!!!!)
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To: Obadiah

The good news is that once the WALL is built and the border secured, the next Mexican revolution will not be long in coming. The bad news is that it will most likely be Marxist inspired.


4 posted on 05/30/2006 7:43:09 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: KeyLargo

John Edwards?


5 posted on 05/30/2006 7:44:46 AM PDT by Chi-townChief
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To: Obadiah
"Mexico is so corrupt, so oligopolistic, so rotting inside with the privilege of the rich that it has to send its poor and its potential political activists to another country. And on top of that, it tries to blame the United States for its own failures."
6 posted on 05/30/2006 7:57:30 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: JimRed
...the next Mexican revolution will not be long in coming. The bad news is that it will most likely be Marxist inspired.

I'd rather have the Marxist inspired Mexican revolution happen in Mexico than in the United States. I'm not sure I'll get my wish if this administration has their way.

7 posted on 05/30/2006 7:58:33 AM PDT by FreePaul
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To: gubamyster

ping


8 posted on 05/30/2006 8:08:41 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: kellynla
Not trying to repeat others, but the point you posted is dead on. Instead of trying to shame American citizens and the politicians who are concerned with the massive presence of illegals in our midst, the blame needs to be focused on those who are truly responsible.

The widespread poverty and miserable living conditions of Mexico's citizens is the fault of the cruel ruling families and a corrupt government. The ethnic cleansing is not the fault of Americans, it is the fault of Mexicans. The blame, and the solutions for this mess are entirely south of the border. It is not in my country.

9 posted on 05/30/2006 8:50:03 AM PDT by Enterprise (The MSM - Propaganda wing and news censorship division of the Democrat Party.)
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To: Obadiah
it was clear that the background music to the old show had changed dramatically.

What is Vicente's background music, La Cucaracha?

10 posted on 05/30/2006 8:54:16 AM PDT by Jim_Curtis
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To: FreePaul

"I'd rather have the Marxist inspired Mexican revolution happen in Mexico than in the United States. I'm not sure I'll get my wish if this administration has their way."

What I wanna know is if, as I expect:
- The battle between Senate RINOs and House Tancredoites causes no bill to be passed this year (thus no wall), and
- Obrador rides the populist reaction in Mexico against Fox's failure to win an immigration package in the U.S. for them

Then what? Then we have the Chavez-follower in power in Mexico, the Marxist revolution in progress, and NO wall and NO toughened enforcement.

Big trouble, IMO.


11 posted on 05/30/2006 8:57:00 AM PDT by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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To: No.6

Maybe a Chavista in Mexico wouldn't be all that bad. Of course if that happens, it will be the rich fleeing Mexico, not the poor.


12 posted on 05/30/2006 9:00:24 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: Obadiah

That's where our nation's efforts have to be focused, in Mexico, if we're ever to have an amiable relationship between would-be illegal immigrants an Americans.

I'm sure the people of Mexico would highly appreciate it as well, doing for them what we've done for the Iraqi people, namely weed out corruption, or at least provide a decent basis for that, in Mexico.

Once they raise the level of their economy a bit, many of these issues would go away. Which is why the entire immigration issue is leaning lib. It's international welfare of sorts combined with some semblance of legalized slavery except that "slave owners" have yielded to the "company."


13 posted on 05/30/2006 9:02:34 AM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: dfwgator

If they do it right the rich will get richer, ... along with everyone else.


14 posted on 05/30/2006 9:03:18 AM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: Fruitbat

I think Mexico is destined to go from one to the other extreme, unfortunately.


15 posted on 05/30/2006 9:04:57 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: dfwgator

How would you define "the other extreme?"


16 posted on 05/30/2006 9:09:12 AM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: Fruitbat

They will go towards Chavista socialism, that will make everyone poorer.


17 posted on 05/30/2006 9:10:45 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: dfwgator

"Maybe a Chavista in Mexico wouldn't be all that bad. Of course if that happens, it will be the rich fleeing Mexico, not the poor. "

Maybe you should look at what comes from Mexico and decide whether it'd really be so cool to have yet another big chunk of the world's energy supply used as an economic weapon against us specifically and the West in general.

I'm sure the powerbrokers in Mexico would sleaze on into powerful positions in Obrador's government without pause anyway. Those rich guys I don't want here. :)


18 posted on 05/30/2006 9:13:13 AM PDT by No.6 (www.fourthfightergroup.com)
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To: dfwgator

That wouldn't surprise me. I guess that my point is that instead of our entire nation jumping in the water to save a flailing drowning man, perhaps our efforts should be spent being firmly footed on the shore while throwing lifelines to him.

Things unchanged, we're heading for an aristocracy with an enormous lower class.

If we really wanted to help Mexican citizens, there are tons of things that we could do to put the screws to their leaders and force them to ante-up here. If that were to take a Mexican revolution, then so be it. Frankly, they need one.

But to pitch the future of the US under the bus is bogus.


19 posted on 05/30/2006 9:14:14 AM PDT by Fruitbat
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To: Enterprise
The widespread poverty and miserable living conditions of Mexico's citizens is the fault of the cruel ruling families and a corrupt government. The ethnic cleansing is not the fault of Americans, it is the fault of Mexicans. The blame, and the solutions for this mess are entirely south of the border. It is not in my country.

The only solution for Mexico that will ever work would be for the US to institute a republican government for them. They cannot do it because they can't trust their politicians, their police, their judges, and their military. Everyone is for sale, and if they are not, then they will be killed by those who are because they threaten the system. You cannot have a rule of law in that type of society, and without a rule of law, you are reduced to a tribal, feudal system that relies on connections and power, and that will prevent an economy from ever reaching modern levels.

The only way to reform Mexico would be for an incorruptible government to administer the country, backed by an incorruptible police force and military to threaten the criminal gangs and protect the government from reprisal. There's only one force on Earth that could do that. Would it ever happen? Not bloody likely. And so, Mexico will fester and continue to be a third world cesspool, even with all its oil revenue.

Maybe a Marxist revolution, and then its subsequent collapse in horrible poverty and repression, would be what is necessary before the conditions would be right for American "administration" of Mexico. It wouldn't be a colony, because we don't care to hold it any longer than necessary to set up a stable modern government, but, as Shelby Steele has noticed, the legacy of colonialism prevents western countries from considering solutions such as this.

20 posted on 05/30/2006 9:15:33 AM PDT by Defiant (You have to earn American citizenship. You may not steal it. Ask those vets its value.)
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