Click it or ticket

townhall ^ | 5/24/06 | Walter WIlliams

[AlexandriaDuke]

I'm referring to adults of course, since children aren't able to make these decisions for themselves.

"Adults" being our rulers and "Children" being us.

That's what they think, anyway:

"It struck me as I was speaking to people in Bangor, Maine, that this president sees America as we think about a 10-year-old child," Card said. "I know as a parent I would sacrifice all for my children." -- Andrew Card interview in Boston Globe

http://www.truthout.org/cgi-bin/artman/exec/view.cgi/26/6080/printer

[dfwgator]

Nothing about the government makes me madder on a daily basis than seat belt laws.

And that's why Libertarians win so many elections, they focus on the things that really matter. (/sarcasm)

[thecabal]

They come out of the woodwork on topics like this. I think they spend the rest of their time gushing at the day in the life of GWB thread.

Bwa ha ha! Thanks for the best laugh I've had all day (other than this awesome interview with Ted Nugent).

[RobRoy]

>>Nothing about the government makes me madder on a daily basis than seat belt laws.<<

I have a great idea for a new safety law and I even have a great slogan: Helmets, not just for motorcycles!

[Protagoras]

That's a good pro-drug-use argument.

Nice try.

That's a good pro-drug-use anti "second prohibition" argument.

It's funny how these simple concepts can be applied to so many usurpations of God given rights.

[BlueStateDepression]

Wether or not they are legit depends on perspective imho.


When it comes to enforcement they are legit because it is the law. Law should be enforced equally and IMHO the best way to insure their use is to incorperate technology in the car that requires their use.

Seems that would solve the entire issue eh?

[from occupied ga]

zero-tolerance 55 mph speed limit with gps tracking

You're posting this somewhat in jest, but I'm firmly convinced that within 10 years this will be a requirement in all new cars - My only hope is that I'll be dead or old age before the American totalitarian police state reaches its full extent.

[Smokin' Joe]

Engines! From the flathead 'green diamond' 6 cylinder to the 454 V-8 (Hemis, too!). (Plenty of 'horses' in those engines!).

That took in the muscle car era, too, with those 'nasty' pedestrian-eating bumpers--which morphed at the safety folks' insistence into the ugly and characterless 5 MPH bumper--which, in turn, broke quite a few firemen's legs popping back out while they were cutting battery cables at accident scenes.

Oh, I almost forgot, the standard transmission (manual) was standard, too.

Jeeeeez, the list goes on, no cup holders, no CD player, (no CD's!), no lighted make-up mirror, no Onstar, no car alarm, no keyless locks, no remote starters....

the horror, the horror...

[Protagoras]

when government does not force individuals to bear the private costs of the bad decisions of others.

I guess you have a problem with the laws that force you to do that.

Instead, you bought into the authoritarian trap.

[marinamuffy]

In PA they have been running a PSA about "Click it or Ticket". One of the lines in the ad is something like "Cops write tickets because they care." I practically laughed until I cried every time I heard it.

[BlueStateDepression]

Is a state that enforces its laws a police state?

What is the difference in your words?

In your eyes can the Rule of Law be enforced without you labeling the state a Police State? If so could you explain what you would accept as proper asto enforcement?

[Atlas Sneezed]

You can go without wearing seat belts, if you also will agree to paying all of your medical bills out of your own pocket without causing everybody else's insurance rates to go up, should you get injured. And oh by the way, no death benefits for your survivors should you get killed, why should the rest of us pay for your stupidity?

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That's fine, as long as you do not deny us the right to contract among ourselves, or with a private insurance comapany, to insure ourselves against risks among ourselves, presumably with discounts for those who agree not to be covered for harm that occurs when driving without a seatbelt, OK?

(And your post incorrectly implies that anyone is advicating not wearing seatbelts. Read the article AGAIN, if you are still confused. Liberty is not about not doing the right things, it is about not being FORCED to do the right thing.)

[dfwgator]

Feh, who needs laws in the first place, ANARCHY NOW!

[chrispycsuf]

just because you have survived doesnt mean that is always the case...my brother decided to go driving at night....was hit by another driver, was ejected out of the car and died...does that happen all the time, no...had he been wearing a seatbelt then he would have survived. it is not the govt's fault but they can enforce the laws on the books to lower such deaths that cost taxpayer money and the grief by the families and loved ones like me. so YOUR analogies are off....you are not the rule, but rather the exception

[dfwgator]

That's fine, as long as you do not deny us the right to contract among ourselves, or with a private insurance comapany, to insure ourselves against risks among ourselves, presumably with discounts for those who agree not to be covered for harm that occurs when driving without a seatbelt, OK?

Works for me.

[Atlas Sneezed]

you sound like such a libertarian

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What kind of person considers it an insult to be accused of supporting liberty?

[chrispycsuf]

right on...my point exactly...you just articulate it better

[from occupied ga]

You can go without wearing seat belts, if you also will agree to paying all of your medical bills out of your own pocket without causing everybody else's insurance rates to go up, should you get injured. And oh by the way, no death benefits for your survivors should you get killed, why should the rest of us pay for your stupidity? I think you libertarians should be ok with that, right?

YES!!! Let everyone pay for their own medical bills without government forcing medical care providers to provide their services to those who have spent their money on other things. Works for me - excellent idea.

[djf]

You absolutely do have the right to "drive". The right to use the roads, the right of a person to go from place to place WITHOUT GOVERNMENT PERMISSION is an ancient right uder the common law of England.

[rwfromkansas]

I have about had enough with the Click it or Ticket commercials.

Everybody in Kansas knows unless you are speeding or committing some other crime, the cop can't do crap about you not wearing a seatbelt. It is only a secondary offense in Kansas.

I wear mine most of the time, but I have to say, to stick it to them with their lame commercials, I almost don't want to anymore. Their Click it or Ticket campaign probably will have the OPPOSITE impact....reduce seatbelt use.