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Marine Brass Seem Exonerated (And I predict, so will the Enlisted!)
The Washington Times ^ | June 2, 2006 | Rowan Scarborough

Posted on 06/02/2006 9:13:25 AM PDT by kellynla

U.S. Marine Corps headquarters in Washington did not learn of the killing of Iraqi civilians by Marines in Haditha until early March, a timeline that appears to exonerate the highest ranks of the Marine Corps from any cover-up or failure to act.

The U.S. military command in Baghdad learned of the civilian killings in February and began two investigations: one criminal and one administrative.

The administrative probe by Army Brig. Gen. Eldon Bargewell is focusing on whether any information was covered up along the Marine Corps chain of command. This is because the 2nd Marine Division issued a press release Nov. 20 saying Iraqi civilians had been killed in Haditha the previous day by an improvised explosive device (IED) and in a firefight with insurgents.

Officials now acknowledge that the statement was inaccurate. Evidence shows the civilians were killed deliberately by Marines' gunfire during sweeps after an IED killed one of their battlemates.

One key question is: Did senior Marine Corps officers hear of the accusations and fail to act between the time of the Nov. 19 incident and February, when a Time magazine reporter brought the charges to the attention of the Baghdad command?

A timeline that the Marines provided yesterday to The Washington Times would appear to exonerate Gen. Michael W. Hagee, the Marine Corps commandant, and his staff.

Col. David Lapan, a Marine Corps headquarters spokesman, said the commandant and his staff were apprised in early March by Marine commanders in Iraq. He said Gen. Hagee subsequently received briefings on the criminal probe and then dedicated a tour of Iraq to telling Marines the importance of ethical conduct and the rules of war.

(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: haditha; iraq; marinecorps; marines; murthawatch; rowanscarborough; war
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"Marine sources said yesterday that it is not clear when Gen. Bargewell will file his report. It is also not clear when the Naval Criminal Investigative Service will conclude its probe into whether the Marines should be charged with crimes, including murder."

When these Marines & the Marine Corps are exonerated, I expect the MSM to publish the findings on their front pages...but I won't be holding my breath.

Semper Fi,
Kelly
1 posted on 06/02/2006 9:13:28 AM PDT by kellynla
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To: SandRat

ping


2 posted on 06/02/2006 9:13:54 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

I'm sure Murtha will fall all over himself rushing to the microphone to apologize.


3 posted on 06/02/2006 9:16:21 AM PDT by ladtx ("It is fatal to enter any war without the will to win it." -- -- General Douglas MacArthur)
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To: 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; acsrp38; angcat; armydawg1; AuH2ORepublican; b4its2late; bboop; bert; ...
Evidence shows the civilians were killed deliberately by Marines' gunfire during sweeps after an IED killed one of their battlemates.

That's news to me. Unless Rowan is only speaking about certain "civilians" and not all of them. I haven't yet seen any evidence showing who fired the shots.

4 posted on 06/02/2006 9:16:58 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: kellynla

Doesn't matter. Once the story is out, regardless of the factual basis of it, it takes on a life of its own. I'm sure liberals are ecstatic about this. If this is ever shown to be false, it will handled by the MSM like the NYTimes retractions buried in the paper a few weeks later. Leave the original story in the minds of the public, but don't confront anyone with the truth, unless the truth happens to conform to the original story of course.


5 posted on 06/02/2006 9:16:59 AM PDT by nosofar
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If this is ever shown to be false...

Ah yes, I remember the old days when things like this had to be proven to be true.

6 posted on 06/02/2006 9:19:01 AM PDT by rhombus
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Timeline from the source article:

March 3: A preliminary report is completed and recommends further investigation.

March 9: Gen. Chiarelli receives that report and directs further review. That review is ongoing.

March 10: Defense Secretary Donald H. Rumsfeld and Marine Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, are notified of the case.

March 11: President Bush is told of the case by National Security Adviser Stephen J. Hadley.


Imagine that. Handled just like I would expect it should be handled. The President was not out of the loop as many around here accused or implied yesterday.
7 posted on 06/02/2006 9:21:25 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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To: kellynla
BTTT

Innocent until PROVEN guilty.

8 posted on 06/02/2006 9:21:41 AM PDT by StarCMC ("The word of muslims will never, ever override what our U.S. Marines say." - TheCrusader)
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"Evidence shows the civilians were killed deliberately by Marines' gunfire during sweeps after an IED killed one of their battlemates."

"Evidence?"
Unless the WashTimes knows something no one else knows, there has been no such evidence released. And the Marines involved told the father of the dead Marine that these people were killed in crossfire.
9 posted on 06/02/2006 9:22:17 AM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots! Semper Fi!)
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To: kellynla

"When in doubt, attack." General George S. Patton


10 posted on 06/02/2006 9:22:26 AM PDT by Patriot Hooligan ("God have mercy on my enemies because I won't." General George S. Patton)
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Evidence shows the civilians were killed deliberately by Marines' gunfire during sweeps after an IED killed one of their battlemates.

And that 'evidence' would be...???

Uncorroborated claims by unnamed 'senior military officials'? Uncorroborated claims by Iraqis with unknown motives? Just what evidence is he saying exists?

11 posted on 06/02/2006 9:23:15 AM PDT by Bob
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When these Marines & the Marine Corps are exonerated, I expect the MSM to publish the findings on their front pages...but I won't be holding my breath.

Not too long....The MSM considers itself the fourth co-equal branch of government....

12 posted on 06/02/2006 9:23:34 AM PDT by prognostigaator
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To: Coop

I have family visiting so am not caught up on new details regarding this case. But I have noted (and so have other freepers probably) that:

1) Military officers said they were talking to people in that neighborhood and community for months after the incident and never heard that Marines shot civilians in cold blood. That is in itself suspicious and I wonder if it's a case where people's stories have "evolved" over time.

2) Just yesterday someone pinged me that no autopsies were conducted and the military is trying to get the bodies exhumed. I was stunned. How is it that anyone suspects the Marines killed these civilians in cold blood without ballistics reporting? Are we just going on Iraqi reports?


13 posted on 06/02/2006 9:23:44 AM PDT by Peach (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: rhombus
Ah yes, I remember the old days when things like this had to be proven to be true.

Silly rabbit! Those rules only apply to serial killers, pedophiles, or Democrat politicians. Not active duty military personnel!

14 posted on 06/02/2006 9:25:48 AM PDT by Coop (FR = a lotta talk, but little action)
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"When in doubt, attack." General George S. Patton

Exactly. You never want to get the big dog off the porch.

15 posted on 06/02/2006 9:27:02 AM PDT by MattinNJ (Strahan, Osi, Arrington...someone go over to Bledsoe's house and pry him out of the fetal position.)
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To: Coop

My husband stated, Since the town of Haditha, is noted to be insurgent occupied, maybe the insurgents killed the women and children in question. Then they told the Iraqui's, "See what the soldiers did to these women and children?" And with the MSM being as skitzophrenic as they are, they'd just run with the chance to do an, I told ya so on the Military...

...I'd never believe anything concerning much of anything printed by that deranged excuse for media we have...


16 posted on 06/02/2006 9:30:51 AM PDT by Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin
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To: Peach

Good point. The rabid extremists foam at the mouth demanding death at the slightest sniff they feel is offensive. It's hard to believe this 'incident' would be swept under the carpet. If the locals really believed this were a 'massacre' the nearest mosque would be whipping the faithful into a fullblown frenz-fest.


17 posted on 06/02/2006 9:31:59 AM PDT by austinaero
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When these Marines & the Marine Corps are exonerated,

Exactly, not a question of if but when.

18 posted on 06/02/2006 9:34:58 AM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: kellynla

As an interesting sidebar, info is that CAIR (Council on American-Islamic Relations) is offering (read - demanding) that they do sensitivity training for all Marines going into theater.

BTW they already are doing it at Marine Corps University at Quantico.

Based on their historic pro-jihadism and anti-American sentiments, who is sleeping at the switch at USMC HQ?????

Check out the CAIR site for yourself


19 posted on 06/02/2006 9:36:30 AM PDT by PurpleMan
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but I won't be holding my breath.

Don't.

You'll just turn blue and pass out.

20 posted on 06/02/2006 9:39:21 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilisation is aborting, buggering, and contracepting itself out of existence.)
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