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Sellers of fake immigration documents dismiss call for new IDs
AP on Bakersfield Californian ^ | 6/2/06 | Peter Prengaman - ap

Posted on 06/02/2006 11:02:35 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

Luis Hernandez is laughing as he sells fake drivers licenses and Social Security cards to illegal immigrants near a park known for shady deals.

The joke, to him, is the government's promise to put people like him out of business with a tamperproof ID card.

"One way or another, we'll always find a way," said Hernandez, 35, a sidewalk pitchman who is part of a complex counterfeiting network operating around MacArthur Park, a teeming area near downtown.

No matter what the federal government does, sellers vow to keep providing authentic-looking IDs for as little as $150, to anyone who wants them.

Some coming to MacArthur Park are teens who want an ID for bars and buying booze. Others are ex-convicts whose criminal records make working under their real names difficult.

But most are illegal immigrants who need work documents - documents that employers looking for cheap labor rarely scrutinize.

As Congress struggles to reform laws that affect the nation's estimated 11 million illegal immigrants, one central question is how to crack down on fake documents and punish the employers who accept them.

President Bush has suggested foreign workers carry a single ID that includes a fingerprint. The House and Senate, meanwhile, passed bills that would force employers to verify job seekers' Social Security numbers with a phone call and immigration status through an electronic database.

"The key to controlling this situation is turning off the magnet of jobs that attracts illegal immigrants," said Mark Krikorian, head of the Center for Immigration Studies, a think tank that supports tighter immigration controls.

Many businesses with a long-standing "don't ask, don't tell" stance got a jolt in April when federal authorities arrested nearly 1,200 illegal immigrants and a handful of managers working at IFCO Systems plants from Southern California to New York. More than half of the 5,800 employees at the pallet and crate manufacturing company in 2005 had invalid or mismatched Social Security numbers, authorities said.

Despite that example, the raid was an exception. Work site arrests have fallen sharply in recent years, from 2,849 in fiscal year 1999 to 1,145 last year, according to U.S. Immigrations and Customs Enforcement.

Immigration officials said the fake document business has become increasingly difficult to stop.

In the past, authorities could often break up a network by raiding a central "document mill" where Social Security cards, passports and licenses might be drying on a large printing press, said Kevin Jeffery, deputy special agent in charge with U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement in Los Angeles.

Now documents are made with illegal software on laptop computers. That mobility makes them harder to bust.

"With a computer and a printer, you are in business," Jeffery said.

Authorities can be stymied by complex delivery networks.

Sellers who openly pitch passers-by don't carry any documents. Instead, they negotiate prices ranging as high as $300 for a package containing a driver's license, Social Security card and "green card."

Next, they send the buyer to a less crowded area a few blocks away. A picture is taken, and a runner collects the money before the two contacts split in different directions.

The picture and cash change hands a few times before arriving at an apartment where a laptop, printer and laminating machine spit out the documents.

Within an hour, another runner, perhaps a young man dressed as a student or even an elderly woman, delivers the documents near the site of the original deal.

Hernandez, an illegal immigrant from Mexico, said it's not easy work. The biggest threats to his business are disgruntled customers, undercover agents who record deals with cameras the size of a button, and gang members demanding to be paid for protection. The international Salvadoran gang MS-13 was born in MacArthur Park's surrounding neighborhoods.

When Hernandez senses a customer might be a police officer, he calls out "7/11" in English, and his underlings disappear. If a seller is arrested, others collect money to bail him out of jail.

"We are not trying to do anything bad," said Sergio Guitierrez, 35, an illegal immigrant from Mexico who quietly says "IDs here" to people walking by the park. "Immigrants just need to work."

Sellers said they can charge Americans more money, but they are more likely to return and complain if unsatisfied.

An American woman who appeared to be in her 30s recently returned to the park holding an authentic-looking California driver's license with a split corner.

"This license you gave me is falling apart," she told a document seller.

Five men quickly shuffled her beneath the overhang of a nearby building and promised a new license.

Sellers said they'll never be stopped because their product will always be in demand.

"This is the government's fault," said Maria Zuniga, 55, an illegal immigrant from Honduras who sells and transports documents. "They won't even give us a number to work or a driver's license."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; california; dismiss; documents; fake; ids; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; nationalid; sellers
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1 posted on 06/02/2006 11:02:38 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge
"This is the government's fault," said Maria Zuniga, 55, an illegal immigrant from Honduras who sells and transports documents.

I nominate this as the best line of the day.

2 posted on 06/02/2006 11:05:09 AM PDT by beltfed308 (Cloth or link. Happiness is a perfect trunnion.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Well, they don't seem shy about giving their full names, do they?


3 posted on 06/02/2006 11:06:03 AM PDT by prion (Yes, as a matter of fact, I AM the spelling police)
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To: NormsRevenge
On 9/11,the selling of fake ID's became a national security issue.The penalty should be 30 years in a Federal prison.No exceptions.
4 posted on 06/02/2006 11:06:18 AM PDT by Gay State Conservative
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To: NormsRevenge
We are not trying to do anything bad," said Sergio Guitierrez

doing and trying are too different things

5 posted on 06/02/2006 11:08:19 AM PDT by ziggy_dlo ("Ask not what your country can do for you; ask what you can do for your country" JFK)
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To: NormsRevenge
Luis Hernandez is laughing as he sells fake drivers licenses and Social Security cards to illegal immigrants near a park known for shady deals. The joke, to him, is the government's promise to put people like him out of business with a tamperproof ID card. "One way or another, we'll always find a way," said Hernandez, 35...

Or, he'll become a gazillionaire selling fake documents to help people qualify for amnesty.

If the Associated Press can find Señor Hernandez, why can't ICE? Certainly he is violating the law.

6 posted on 06/02/2006 11:09:50 AM PDT by calcowgirl ("Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink." P. J. O'Rourke)
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To: Gay State Conservative

I dont think years in jail would do it. We dont have enough jails. They came here to work I say let them. Lets go to the old Chain gangs. They can clear ditches, pave roads do public work projects. If they work hard enough for little enough they will be glad to go home.


7 posted on 06/02/2006 11:10:06 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: NormsRevenge

For those that don't know, MacArthur Park is in Los Angeles and it's a sanctuary city and the illegals are untouchable.


8 posted on 06/02/2006 11:13:41 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: prion

And just what makes you think that they are their real names? They're selling FAKE IDs for cryin' out loud!..........


9 posted on 06/02/2006 11:14:13 AM PDT by Red Badger (Liberals ignore criminal behavior, reward sloth and revere incompetence...........)
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To: calcowgirl

What?

Throw a guy in jail who facilitates cheap labor for Republican campaign contributors?

Do you believe in the Easter Bunny and Santa Claus?


10 posted on 06/02/2006 11:14:46 AM PDT by Utahrd
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To: NormsRevenge

swipe card into a national database would work


11 posted on 06/02/2006 11:15:47 AM PDT by tkathy (The "can do" party can fix anything. The "do-nothing" party always makes things worse.)
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To: sgtbono2002

I can think of one big project they could work on. How about making them build a really tall, long wall??


12 posted on 06/02/2006 11:16:18 AM PDT by Bob Buchholz
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To: sgtbono2002
Lets go to the old Chain gangs. They can clear ditches, pave roads do public work projects. If they work hard enough for little enough they will be glad to go home.

I'm with you on this. And make sure graphic video of the chain gangs at work gets out there to discourage the up and coming wannabes.

13 posted on 06/02/2006 11:16:49 AM PDT by capt. norm (Ben Franklin: "Does thou love life? Then do not squander time; for that's the stuff life is made of")
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To: prion
"Well, they don't seem shy about giving their full names, do they?"

Why should they be? Which of the other twenty-six using the same name are detectives going to be going after?

14 posted on 06/02/2006 11:17:05 AM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: dalereed

Thanks re: MacArthur Park .

I was going to tag it with a CA: but this is a national problem.

Sanctuary?
Ain't that a hoot!

What about sanctuary for legal citizens. What happened to our rights?


15 posted on 06/02/2006 11:18:04 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - "The Road to Peace in the Middle East runs thru Damascus.")
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To: NormsRevenge
The MOST 'protection' current IDs have on them are friggin' hologram film circa 1980s... and thats only the newer ones in states... some don't even have that.

I know some around here freak out about it, but I want a national ID card (not needed to keep on, but to vote, get loans, sign up for bank accounts, perhaps can be used to enter gov't buildings, etc)

Load it up with biometric data... retinal scans, fingerprints, facialprint, voiceprints, hell even DNA.

It could even be done without a central db, that is your info ONLY on your card, not in a central gov't db. Random pieces of biometric info could be fed into a reader, run through some algorithm and then 'tested'.

Swipe card, then asked for fingerprint, if your finger doesn't match the imprint on card... it fails.

You can't fudge the card with false info, because it doesn't just compare your fingerprint read to the on on card. If you run the print through a some secret crazy high 4096bit+ hashtable or whatever and compare the results you would never be able to figure out what to 'write' that the decryption would decode to match the reader and its localized algorithm.

If you wanted to be even more secure, you could randomly choose combinations to test. Do Retinal scan and fingerprint, and use the two in conjunction to determine authenticity. Each 'type' could use a different encryption, and each 'reader' could even have a localized component. What I'm getting at, is that there are ways around a National DB, if we really want to get it done (we would need a db of algorithms, but thats it)
16 posted on 06/02/2006 11:18:25 AM PDT by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: beltfed308
Obviously the penalty for forging official documents is not severe enough. Bet'cha I can thing of one......
17 posted on 06/02/2006 11:19:25 AM PDT by Ben Mugged (If you can read this, thank a teacher. If you are reading it in English, thank a soldier.)
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To: FreedomNeocon

Heh... forgot to add that Julio or whatever there would not be able to 'find a way' around that... and IF he ever did the pirce would be 20X the cost.

More likely, the 'fake ids' would have to come from some dirty INS offcial issuing valid cards for bribes or whatever at that point.


18 posted on 06/02/2006 11:19:51 AM PDT by FreedomNeocon (Success is not final; Failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts -- Churchill)
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To: NormsRevenge

The real beauty is to take ancilary documents to a gov agency and then get a REAL gov issued doc.

So you take the fake birth data other papers and get a real USA passport or DL


19 posted on 06/02/2006 11:20:51 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: NormsRevenge
An arrest, a quick trial, then a public hanging for this behavior in a time of War.

Repeat, over and over, as long as it takes.

Only then will the laughing stop.

20 posted on 06/02/2006 11:21:31 AM PDT by DoctorMichael (A wall first. A wall now.)
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