Haditha killings recall Vietnam's My Lai

AP on Yahoo ^ | 6/2/06 | Richard Pyle - ap

[usmcobra]

What the left and the media love to forget is that My Lai was a planned assault on Viet Cong strongholds and that Lt. Calley was ordered freed by Federal Judge J. Robert Elliot after 3 1/2 years of house arrest while waiting for his appeal.

Calley's commanding officer was charged with giving the order to wipe out all the inhabitants of "Pinkville" or My Lai 4 but was aquitted.

Also My Lai happened during the height of the Tet offensive and launched the journalistic career of one Seymour Hersh.

[billorites]

"I'm hoping for a re-visit of Wounded Knee next...what dorks! "

Why stop at Wounded Knee?

Let's see, have they left anything out?

Oh, yeah.

[DJ Taylor]

I was in Vietnam when rumors of the My Lai killings began to spread around the country, and I, along with everyone I knew, immediately dismissed those rumors as nothing but communist propaganda. Hell, I still have a hard time believing American soldiers could do what those men of the Americal Division were eventually convicted of doing.

I am now equally skeptical about what these Marines are accused of having done in Haditha, and will not believe a word of it until their guilt is proven beyond a shadow of doubt. (and then I'll only half believe it)

[CyberAnt]

But .. it's possible that the villagers were being too friendly to the Americans ??

Here's my scenario: A group of villagers were gathered together and held hostage in the house. Our guys came down the street .. the terrorists started shooting at us .. we shot back .. then the terrorists turned and shot all the villagers and ran out of the house screaming that the Americans shot all the people .. does that about cover it ..??

And .. what tipped me off .. all of a sudden this statement was made .. "it was women and children and old people". Hmmmmm?? Now .. where have I heard that before .. oh yeah, when we bombed several terrorist hideouts at the beginning of the war (because they were shooting at us), and they all claimed it was a wedding party and there were "women and children and old people".

The whole incident stinks to high heaven .. and I believe this was a set-up from the beginning.

You know how Rush has made a point of showing how the terrorists are always repeating the democrat talking points? Well .. what have the dems been saying, "bring the troops home now". What better way to make that happen ... discredit our military and then the terrorists can march in protests in the street (like they see the dems do) and DEMAND THE NEW IRAQI GOVT FORCE THE USA TO GO HOME.

[end of story]

Like I said, it was a setup from the beginning.

[caveat emptor]

But this (Haditha) is not My Lai, and those that try to make a direct comparison are not well informed.

Oh, they're are well enough informed, they just have different standards of evidence for matters which don't fit their world view, or marching orders.

[When do we get liberated?]

The situations are similar. As usual, the MSM report it in the fashion they prefer "one Marine was killed and they just went berserk!" At My Lai, the same unit patrolled the same road around the same town and REPEATEDLY lost soldiers to the IUD's of the day. Pick out your closest frieds and people you trust. Picture them losing arms, legs and testicles to a village that willfully harbors the people that do that to you. I guarantee if that happened, I would be severly tempted to do my own investigation in 5.56 mm.
That said, IF it happened as the MSM judge, jury and executioner (they hope) it was a war crime. American soldiers, aiding the safety of the homeland by shining a light of freedom in the Middle East have to behave as a civilized bunch. My fear of this is that it is so overplayed in the media it paints with a broad brush hundreds of thousands of good Americans. How many Jihadis were spured to action because they were insulted by the presence of used panties on their heads? If they weren't from Lydie England, I might enjoy that myself. Put that into contrast to "wanton massacre" as it is posed? How many people (I use the term loosely) will see this and decide to uload an AK clip at the next exposed soldier? One is too many and I suppose the number will be more than one.
If an American soldier executed civilians I hope he spends a long time in the brig. The strenth of this countries morals is demonstrated by the fact that we exonerate these people. We do not promote or encourage the indiscriminate killing of non-combatants. Let the jihadi's do that. Their time will come We are civilized and we do not do that. But the fact that this is the best way the Democrats have of winning this war says alot about their base and their goals. Not to mention that their frontline defense is to grasp at straws. Sorry, ALLEDGED straws. Contrived American humiliation should never be a campain platform.

[new yorker 77]

More sludge from the UN-AMERICAN pigs at AP.

[new yorker 77]

They will need a time machine to make Iraq Vietnam because this Lyndon Johnson (a.k.a Bush) got re-elected.

Morons.

[PISANO]

Sickening!!!

[Txsleuth]

Thanks for your service..

You know, my husband was in Vietnam...and I have never asked him about My Lai...whether he heard anything or not..and since I met him after he got back, I don't even know if he was there before, during, or after.

Well, when he gets home from work, I will have to ask him

But, you reminded me of the fact that a LOT of the people, one I heard call a radio show tonight (the father of a Marine), that were over there right after Haditha supposedly happened, have said there was NO scuttlebutt about this, no gossip..or anything.

You would think there would have been some hints that something happened out of the ordinary.

[WKUHilltopper]

Yeah, you got that right.

[org.whodat]

As I recall there were Iraqi soldiers on that operation. Has anyone seen any reports on what if anything they saw?

Now you know that type of information would not advance the story line.

[When do we get liberated?]

The insurgents understand one thing well.

They cannot beat us in a stand up fight. They are not that unobservant.

The tradition of armies using uniforms is because they want to avoid civilian casualties. Agincourt, Flanders, Thermople and thousands of battles were waged away from civilians by clearly defined armies that as warriors wished to seperate the battle from the civilian population.

If you kill our troops, run into a civilian area and try to blend in, don't be shocked when women and children are killed.

If you respect your holy place, don't fund, feed and offer santuary to militants from your mosques. We should JDAM your hand-wiped ass if you do. We will have to live in fear of the UN response afterwards, but in order to make an omlette, first you have to break some eggs. Hide your militants inside your mosque? Don't be surprised to find a well done Mosque Mc Muffin in the morning.

If they execute enough civilians and blame it on Marines, Army, Iraqi police units, they can stalemate us into a loss.

They understand that if they can beat 51% of our electoral college votes in a media war they will win. America will cower and hide, hoping for the best and blaming all future attacks on Bush. If only he had understood the middle east and the fact that they have the right to behave in a militaristic, mysoginistic war of terror on any civilization that escaped the 9th century.

[When do we get liberated?]

Does it look like I am? LOL

[When do we get liberated?]

I was against us going into Iraq, but from 2 seconds after went in, we had to set this straight. Nobody in their right mind thinks that abandoning Iraq, an oil rich country with a sizable radical element, will help our security at home.

A defeat here, to the Democrats, would ensure that they would never try again. They would be happy that they have a radical Islamic state and would not cause us any harm. As long as we all take a walk around the Karballa...(stolen idol from other religions)

[When do we get liberated?]

I am still waiting for the international outrage and the demands for justice of those Blackwater guys shot, burned to death and hung dismembered in Fallujah. Amnestry International must be putting together a very comprehensible report to have taken this long....

[When do we get liberated?]

This Lyndon Johnson has cojones...

[Ruy Dias de Bivar]

Well, let's drege up some older dirt while we are at it!

In the Mexican War several families in Mexico were hiding in a cave when murdered by "Undisiplined militia troops from Arkansaw."

I could go back 2000 years but that's too many to write about.

[armydawg1]

Media feeding frenzy aided and abetted by Murtha. I wonder if he still visits wounded GIs around DC? When will DOD learn to stop confiding in him and sharing information? I dont give a damn what his position is in Congress, he cant be trusted.

[sibb1213]

I listened to Savage tonight. I have been with an ill Mom and not up on the latest news. Savage played bits from Chris Matthews, Murtha, etc. I want to know how to bring down Matthews like Rather was brought down. The guy is so filled with hate for President Bush as are others but Matthews just rants on and on. When this story turns out not to be true, can we organize a campaign to get him off TV??????