Posted on 06/02/2006 7:33:42 PM PDT by Westlander
And you're loaded to the hilt with it. If the government had a case, they'd have prosecuted Lee. Instead of trying him on the "evidence" they had, the feds tried to get him to plea-bargain as guilty and when he wouldn't, they tried to intimidate him into a confession by leaks to the media.
You might want to go back and review the incidents more closely as they transpired instead of carelessly crapping on a thread.
You're joking, right? No one can be labeled guilty until a court of law convicts one of specified crimes. Lee was never found guilty of anything, except by knee-jerks who've let the MSM try him and label him as guilty. The same ones who believe the MSM reporting also claim they don't trust the MSM that tried Lee when the same reports something they don't like.
I suppose one's belief in the MSM is only due upon one's convenience of choice.
The govt couldn't prosecute because doing so would have forced revealing too many nat'l secrets. A huge problem that has affected many cases, including the leaking Clintonoid broad just fired from the CIA.
Try not to be so naive. This will help:
http://www.frontpagemag.com/Articles/ReadArticle.asp?ID=1138
Spy Stories: The Wen Ho Lee Cover-Up
By David Horowitz
FrontPageMagazine.com | October 3, 2000
FBI DIRECTOR Louis B. Freeh got my attention when he tried to explain why the Justice Department dropped 58 of 59 charges against suspected nuclear spy Wen Ho Lee. “The Department of Justice and the FBI stand by each and every one of the 59 counts in the indictment of Dr. Lee,” Freeh told the Senate Judiciary and Select Intelligence committees. (AP 9/26/2000) “Each of those counts could be proven in December 1999 [when Lee was indicted], and each of them could be proven today.” Justice had agreed to a deal of guilt on one count (and a sentence of time served) in order to secure Lee’s cooperation in locating the missing files he had stolen from the nation’s top nuclear weapons lab. But the real reason for the cave-in was that the rules of a trial “posed serious obstacles to proving those facts without revealing nuclear secrets in open courts.” It was that statement that got my attention.
These were the same words, almost verbatim, that a Harvard Law Professor had said to me 28 years ago, in 1972. Not coincidentally, he was advising me on how to get away with violating the same code of the U.S. Espionage code that Wen Ho Lee had been accused of breaking.
The professor’s name was Charles Nesson, and I was, at the time, one of the editors of Ramparts, the largest magazine of the New Left. I had called Nesson in Los Angeles where he was serving as part of the defense team for Daniel Ellsberg, a Pentagon official who had copied a classified history of U.S. Vietnam policy (subsequently known as “The Pentagon Papers”) and illegally delivered them to the New York Times. I had been delegated to make the call by my fellow editors to seek advice from a man who was one of the leading constitutional law experts in the country, because of a story we were about to publish.
The story had been brought unsolicited to us by a man who told us his name was “Winslow Peck” (this later was shown to be an alias). He had come to the Ramparts office with a tale about a secret U.S. spy agency called the National Security Agency, which was tasked with all U.S. electronic intelligence operations. He himself had been an intelligence operative, stationed in Turkey, but had become disaffected because of the Vietnam War. Now he wanted to reveal to the world - including America’s enemies - the secrets to which he had been privy.
When we sat down with him, tape recorders running, “Winslow Peck” told us how the National Security Agency operated and what America’s intelligence professionals knew. He gave us the code words that they used to describe their operations. (One of our staffers, Bob Fitch, who had served in intelligence in the 82nd Airborne Division during the Cuban Crisis, was so shaken to recognize these codes that he refused to work on the article. He was that sure he would be sent to jail.) “Peck” told us that he had listened in on the last-minute telephone conversation that Soviet premier Alexi Kosygin had with a doomed cosmonaut whose rocket was not going to make it back to earth. He told us he had intercepted the communications between the Israeli command center in Tel Aviv and General Moshe Dayan that relieved Dayan of his post. He told us that the United States knew the name of every Russian pilot and the destination of every Russian airplane, around the clock.
The real secret that “Peck” was revealing to us (a fact I did not even realize at the time) was that United States intelligence had cracked the codes of both the Soviet Union and Israel, and was able to read all their electronic communications. This information would have been among the most guarded intelligence secrets of all. By making public to both ally and enemy that the United States had broken their codes, our informant was, in fact, alerting the intelligence agencies of both countries to change them. Thus the information “Peck” gave us was, or might have been (we had no way of knowing), a major blow to the United States’ national security in the midst of the Vietnam War.
As New Leftists, my fellow editors and I may have been arrogant, irresponsible and reckless, but we were not crazy. We understood that we had skated onto dangerously thin ice, with consequences we could only dimly imagine, and we wanted to know as clearly as possible what we might be facing if we decided to publish the story that “Peck” had brought us. I was delegated by my fellow editors to put in a call to the Ellsberg defense team to see just what risks we might be taking. That is how I happened to be talking to Harvard Law Professor, Charles Nesson. I have reported the conversation that took place in my autobiography Radical Son:
“After I had outlined the situation, Nesson explained the law. Technically, he said, we would be violating the Espionage Act. But, he added, the act had been written in such a way that it applied to classified papers removed from government offices, or material copied from government files. The government was able to indict Ellsberg because he had reproduced actual papers. It was important for us, in insulating ourselves from possible prosecution, not to acknowledge that any papers existed.” If any did exist, he added, destroying them would be helpful.
I now cannot help but ask myself whether this same calculation might have been behind Wen Ho Lee’s destruction of 310 of the classified computer files he had illegally removed from the Los Alamos Lab after finding out that the FBI was on his tail.
But to continue my story: “If we took his advice, Nesson suggested, we might get away with publishing [Peck’s] article. To make its case in a court of law, the government would have to establish that we had indeed damaged national security. To do so, it would be necessary to reveal more than the government might want the other side to know. In fact, the legal process would certainly force more information to light than the government would want anybody to know. On balance, there was a good chance that we would not be prosecuted.”
Reading my account of this incident, I am struck by the fact that Nesson’s strategy, which columnist William Safire has called “graymail,” of daring government prosecutors to go into open court and reveal their hand, is precisely the reasoning that Freeh volunteered to the congressional committee to explain the prosecution’s decision not to proceed with their case against Wen Ho Lee. To prove in a court of law that a defendant has endangered national security requires a prosecution to reveal far more information about a nation’s national security systems than any government may want to reveal. In concluding my account of the conversation with Nesson in Radical Son, I observed: “I had just been given advice by a famous constitutional law professor on how to commit treason and get away with it.”
Is Wen Ho Lee guilty? Wen Ho Lee illegally removed 400,000 files from the nation’s top nuclear weapons lab during a period of years when he had repeated contacts with Chinese government scientists and at a time when the Chinese Communist dictatorship was systematically stealing the secrets of America’s most sophisticated nuclear arsenal. His response to the FBI investigation was that of a seemingly guilty man. He destroyed files in his possession and repeatedly tried to break into the lab after his access was denied. Yet, Wen Ho Lee has acquired an almost martyr-like status as a victim of government persecution, and even of government “racism.” The presiding judge roundly condemned the ineptitude of Lee’s prosecution and his “punitive” treatment, in particular the fact that he was held in solitary confinement for months, and threatened by his interrogators with the specter of the Rosenbergs, who were executed for a crime similar to the one of which he was accused. The President himself has apologized for his own Justice Department’s handling of the case. And the nation’s editorial rooms have resounded with outrage at the entire affair.
Yet it is all very unconvincing. Begin with Clinton’s peculiar apology (without explanation) for a prosecution he himself was responsible for. The U.S. Attorney who handled the Lee case is Clinton’s friend and former college roommate. Within a week of Clinton’s apology, he was in New Mexico to raise money for the same prosecutor’s run for a state office. The argument of some of Lee’s supporters that an anti-Chinese bias was behind an intemperate Justice Department prosecution is hard to square with the fact that the current Deputy Attorney General in charge of civil rights is Chinese himself.
Columnist William Safire and others have suggested a more plausible explanation. The zealous pursuit of Lee followed the release of the bi-partisan Cox report detailing the theft of America’s nuclear arsenal by the Chinese government. Much of this theft took place during Clinton’s watch. Moreover, the Clinton Administration had been aggressive in lifting security controls on satellite, missile and computer technologies particularly instrumental in developing nuclear-tipped ballistic weaponry. The Clinton Administration had then sold those technologies to the Chinese.
The Cox Report had come on the heels of congressional investigations by government oversight committees into the unprecedented access given by the Clinton-Gore Administration to Chinese military and intelligence officials and their agents, possibly in exchange for illegal contributions to the Democratic National Committee and the Clinton-Gore campaign. Senator Fred Thompson had opened his hearings with the charge -- based on CIA testimony -- that the Chinese government had systematically set out to influence the presidential elections of 1996, which put Clinton and Gore in the White House. More than a hundred witnesses called to testify about these facts took the Fifth Amendment or fled the country. Finally, among the charges leveled at the Clinton-Gore team was that the Administration routinely authorized electronic surveillance of U.S. citizens (some seven hundred wire taps were approved) but that the Administration had turned down the FBI’s request for a tap on Wen Ho Lee. In fact, this was virtually the only tap the Clinton Justice Department refused.
In sum, the zealous prosecution of Wen Ho Lee, according to this theory, took place only after a period of endless foot-dragging and dangerous laxity on security issues, followed by the sensational revelations of the Cox Report. At this juncture, Clinton’s personal political interest dictated a vigorous effort to establish his vigilance, particularly in relation to the security threat from the Chinese. Only when his personal political jeopardy was over (for example, now) was he able to resume the posture of minimizing the problem itself.
The support for Wen Ho Lee and the view that he is an innocent victim of overzealous government security concerns is a familiar trope in American politics. The same attitude can be seen as a dominant feature of American liberalism in its approach to the Hiss case over half a century, and even to the Rosenbergs. It is not insignificant that the Rosenbergs were actually the last spies executed in America.
Charles Nesson, the professor who counseled me on how to commit treason, is still a highly respected law professor at Harvard and thus a legal lion of the establishment culture. In fact, the culture of Harvard is completely comfortable with professor Nesson who has never, so far as I know, expressed regret for his subversive advice in the Sixties. At the same time, the political culture of Harvard, is completely uncomfortable with someone like myself, who has. This is not an anomaly. The most prominent scholars to have used the newly opened Soviet archives to establish the guilt of Hiss, the Rosenbergs and other American spies are without exception conservative intellectuals and are shunned outsiders to the university culture. On the other hand, the most prominent scholars of American communism, in that same culture, are almost without exception apologists for American communism and partisans of the political left. The defining argument of their historical perspective, in fact, is to deny either treasonous activity or treasonous intent by actual communist party activists in the Forties and Fifties.
These are but two indicators of a phenomenon that is well known but rarely discussed. A large swathe of the American intelligentsia that is shaping opinion towards the Wen Ho Lee case is what is often euphemistically called the “adversarial” culture. It is a community that is indifferent at best to perceived American national interests, including the national security interest. Since World War II, this community has never been persuaded that America has enemies it does not deserve. The adversary culture can find a moral equivalency between American democracy and virtually any oppressive regime that is not American. I have a vivid memory of the late conductor Leonard Bernstein being interviewed on television during the election of 1988, which was one year before the fall of the Berlin Wall and a time when the Soviet dictatorship was still intact. Bernstein practically spit into a television news camera the following comment: “I infinitely prefer Mr. Gorbachev to Mr. Bush.”
The “adversarial” culture assumes that America is so powerful as to be invulnerable to any foreign threat. It is typified by Energy Secretary Hazel O’Leary’s pronouncement at the outset of the Clinton Administration, on declassifying 11 million pages of nuclear information, including the records of all American nuclear tests, that nuclear secrecy was part of a “bomb building culture” that it was necessary to end. It would be ended, in her view, by sharing America’s national secrets with everyone, and thus “leveling the playing field.” This was, in fact, precisely the attitude that inspired me and the other editors of Ramparts to divulge the secrets of America’s electronic intelligence agency to the world. We viewed it as an effort to level the military playing field so that America would no longer be the superpower that was able to lord it over everyone else.
In retrospect, the most important lesson of my Sixties encounter with a defector from our own intelligence service was the tolerance, sympathy and even support for treason that can be found in mainstream liberalism itself. Even though we thought of ourselves as radicals, the mainstream culture that we despised was so tolerant and even supportive of our radical postures, that we were never prosecuted for the crime we had committed. We were given a kind of hero status, instead, for our “journalistic coup” in printing the revelations of “Winslow Peck.” The New York Times gave our story front-page coverage.
It is obvious to me now that the adversarial attitude that inspired me in the Sixties (and which I have since rejected) lies behind the sympathy for Wen Ho Lee and the preposterous belief that his activities were “innocent.” This attitude is both typified by and given ominous expression in the role played by an old comrade of mine, who preceded me at Ramparts and who later became a national correspondent and then a powerful columnist at the Los Angeles Times - which is the very paper that led the attack on the Cox Report and also the defense of Wen Ho Lee.
There is perhaps no more outspoken champion of Wen Ho Lee in American journalism than L.A. Times pundit Robert Scheer, who has authored more than a dozen columns on Lee (including one filed from Albuquerque where Lee was indicted and held). Scheer has even called Lee “an American Dreyfus,” after the French Jew who was falsely accused by anti-Semites of treason in the 19th Century: “In a case that parallels the frame-up of Alfred Dreyfus, a Jewish captain in the French army a century ago,” Scheer wrote at the time of Lee’s arrest, “the U.S. government is hell-bent on destroying Wen Ho Lee, a naturalized American citizen and former Los Alamos nuclear weapons scientist,… In both cases, the ‘foreignness’ of the suspect was used by officials and the media to stoke fears of betrayal of the nation's security to a dangerous enemy.”(LA Times, December 19, 1999)
The idea that the Administration of Bill Clinton singled out Lee for ethnic persecution is laughable. The notion that Dreyfus (a Frenchman), and Lee (a Chinese immigrant whose nation of origin is a nuclear power hostile to the United States), are parallel cases is simply ludicrous.
Even before taking up the cause of Lee, Scheer had led the attacks on the bi-partisan Cox Report, released in the spring of 1999, which documented the theft of America’s nuclear arsenal, including the miniaturized W-88 warhead suited for placement on cruise-type ballistic missiles. Attacking Cox and the Democrats who supported him as “fear-mongers” and national security hysterics, Scheer actually claimed that there were no nuclear secrets to begin with, so the Chinese couldn’t have stolen them. “The dirty secret of the nuclear weapons business is that there are no secrets,” Scheer wrote in the Times on August 3, 1999. “Nothing has happened since Hiroshima and Nagasaki to render these weapons any more plausibly useful as weapons. A crude nuclear weapon dropped from a propeller-driven plane or carried in a suitcase does the job of terrorizing civilian populations -- the only function of nuclear weapons -- as effectively as the modernized warheads, whose technology some claim Beijing has stolen.”
The statement betrays an astounding ignorance of modern nuclear strategy for a columnist at the Los Angeles Times. But as though even this howling claim was not sufficient to make Scheer’s point, he also invoked Hazel O’Leary’s “level playing field.”. Whatever weapons the Chinese Communist dictatorship did not already have, Scheer wrote, the United States should provide to them, in the interests of peace! “It would be in our national security interest to supply the Chinese with a Trident-class sub that works, as opposed to their lone sub contender that leaks radiation so badly that it isn’t operational. And, heresy of heresies, we should give the Chinese some submarine-suitable missiles armed with the miniaturized W-88 warhead that they are supposed to have stolen. That way, even if they thought a nuclear weapon was en route to them, they would not have to instantly respond, being secure in the knowledge that they possessed survivable retaliatory power.” (Los Angeles Times, August 3, 1999).
Where do such bizarre, alienated and delusional attitudes come from? As I have already mentioned, Robert Scheer preceded me as the editor of our radical left magazine, Ramparts. In fact, I and my co-editors fired him in 1969, less than three years before we published the revelations of national security agent “Winslow Peck.” Although our firing of Scheer was not political, it turned out that he subsequently veered further to the left than any of us were ever tempted to go. While we were divulging the secrets of America’s electronic intelligence agency in the pages of Ramparts’, Scheer was joining the Red Sun Rising Commune and becoming an acolyte of North Korean dictator Kim Il-Sung.
Unlike myself and others who have had second thoughts (but just like Charles Nesson), Robert Scheer has never had second thoughts. He has probably changed some of the beliefs he held in the Sixties and has probably reconsidered some of the actions he took. But he has never repudiated them, never acknowledged how wrong he had been, and never relinquished the adversarial attitudes that led him astray in the first place. That is the real national security problem that the latest turn in the Wen Ho Lee case reveals.
He pled guilty.
So oj wasn't guilty? Being found guilty in a court of law may have nothing to do with a person's actual guilt. Wen ho lee pled guilty to mishandling classified nuclear information so, by your logic, he is guilty.
From the research that I have done, the man is a chicom spy. He admitted to downloading classified material to unsecured computers and made copies which he removed and have never been located. He failed polygraphs. His guilt is apparent and is not mitigated by a bungled prosecution and ill advised plea bargain in hopes of recovering the data.
Please read my post #38 and read this. It is not from the msm.
http://www.fas.org/irp/congress/2000_rpt/specter.html
I believe that I have the inherent logic to filter through the dirt of the msm. According to the msm mr. lee was innocent and only prosecuted because of his race. This I do not believe.
Many thanks. Wen Ho Lee got away with murder. He must have great lawyers. Do you know who they are?
My second thought is I'm sick of spies finessing our legal system. How come our intel agencies haven't been very vocal about having closed courts and closed trials for such traitors?
I think its time to post the evidence.
see post 43
See post #38
So why did he win this lawsuit?
See post 36. It's the same group that defended Libby and North.
The same reason that praying in school is illegal, unless you're a muslim, child pornography can be viewed at public libraries and you can't have any reference to Christianity on public property. They found a sympathetic fascist in a black robe.
Disgraceful that those lawyers whored themselves out to Wen Ho Lee. They gave him a first rate defense. Wonder how he afforded them and who steered him to them
Hatfill depositions. Fascinating stuff:
Depositions are now on the internet:
Link: http://www.anthraxinvestigation.com/Hatfill74-A.pdf
Parts of John Ashcroft's deposition:
http://www.anthraxinvestigation.com/Hatfill74-F.pdf
Parts of the FBI's Debra Weierman's deposition:
http://www.anthraxinvestigation.com/Hatfill74-G.pdf
THE COURT: Did you fully understand all of the
13 provisions of your plea agreement before you signed it?
14 THE DEFENDANT: Yes.
15 THE COURT: You are pleading guilty today to the
16 charge in Count 57 of the indictment. Have you read the
17 indictment?
18 THE DEFENDANT: Yes.
19 THE COURT: Have you discussed it with your
20 attorneys?
21 THE DEFENDANT: Yes.
22 THE COURT: Do you understand all of the charges in
23 the 59 counts of the indictment?
24 THE DEFENDANT: Yes, I understand.
25 THE COURT: Are you fully satisfied with all
1 explanations your attorneys have given you about these
2 charges?
3 THE DEFENDANT: Yes.
4 THE COURT: Count 57 charges that on a date in 1994
5 up through the date of the indictment, within the District of
6 New Mexico, you had unauthorized possession of and control
7 over documents and writings relating to the national defense,
8 which was restricted data that had been gathered onto Tape L
9 and that you willfully retained and failed to deliver Tape L
10 to an officer and an employee of the United States who was
11 entitled to receive it.
12 Do you understand specifically this charge that is
13 made against you?
14 THE DEFENDANT: I understand.
15 THE COURT: Do you understand, Dr. Lee, that Count 57
16 charges you with the commission of a felony crime?
17 THE DEFENDANT: I understand.
18 THE COURT: If I accept your plea of guilty to Count
19 57, it will be the same as though you have been convicted of
20 that felony charge. Do you understand that, sir?
21 THE DEFENDANT: Yes.
22 THE COURT: Are you fully satisfied with the way that
23 you have been represented by your attorneys, Mr. Holscher,
24 Mr. Cline and all of the other attorneys who have worked on
25 you're behalf in this case?
1 THE DEFENDANT: Yes.
"Justice had agreed to a deal of guilt on one count (and a sentence of time served) in order to secure Lee’s cooperation in locating the missing files he had stolen from the nation’s top nuclear weapons lab. But the real reason for the cave-in was that the rules of a trial “posed serious obstacles to proving those facts without revealing nuclear secrets in open courts.” It was that statement that got my attention."
" THE COURT: Count 57 charges that on a date in 1994 5 up through the date of the indictment, within the District of 6 New Mexico, you had unauthorized possession of and control 7 over documents and writings relating to the national defense, 8 which was restricted data that had been gathered onto Tape L 9 and that you willfully retained and failed to deliver Tape L 10 to an officer and an employee of the United States who was 11 entitled to receive it. 12 Do you understand specifically this charge that is 13 made against you? 14 THE DEFENDANT: I understand. 15 THE COURT: Do you understand, Dr. Lee, that Count 57 16 charges you with the commission of a felony crime? 17 THE DEFENDANT: I understand. 18 THE COURT: If I accept your plea of guilty to Count 19 57, it will be the same as though you have been convicted of 20 that felony charge. Do you understand that, sir? 21 THE DEFENDANT: Yes."
He pled guilty because he was guilty. He has not abided by the terms of his plea agreement and should be sent back to jail.
Interesting that WP reporter Guy Gugliotta was apparently actually interviewed by the FBI as a witness - he was the only reporter interviewed in that capacity.
Here's the quote from Lambert: "In the course of conducting the investigation, Guy Gugliotta was identified to me as someone who may possess information of lead value to the investigation. And he was interviewed in the capacity of a witness."
Guggliotta was the author of a WP article which quoted investigators description of the senate anthrax:
http://www.ph.ucla.edu/epi/bioter/fbisecretlyrecreate.html
Investigators and experts have said the spores in the Daschle and Leahy letters were uniformly between 1 and 3 microns in size, and were coated with fine particles of frothy silica glass. The weaponized product was astonishingly pure -- 1 trillion spores per gram -- and so light that it simply floated into the air, ready to be inhaled, as soon as the envelope was opened.
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