Posted on 06/03/2006 9:56:14 AM PDT by namvet66
RIGHT ON!! You could throw Neville Chamberlain in the mix, after all, he was definitely "appeasable," and we know from history were that practice gets us.
Fortunately, you and I and many others, are NOT.
BTW, check out my post toward the end, on another misnomer and "charge" which is usually leveled at those of us who disagree--"BASHING."
Bush has not changed. He has had these immigration proposals for years, since he became President.
Bush won't let that happen. He'll reconsider his Aztlan Empire plans.
"President Applauds House for Passing Immigration Reform Bill"
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2005/12/20051216-13.html
Of course that was before his meeting with Presidente Fox in March, so I wonder what happened.
The immigration problem along with the terribly flawed guest workers program is a 40 (20) year in the making problem. GWB is trying to have a comprehensive process at addressing all these issues - If you don't agree with him...so be it. However suggesting he has abandoned you (and or the GOP base) is utterly pathetic and a lie. His stance on immigration hasn't changed one bit since 2000.
Deal with it -
One of the sites said something along the lines...'Don't pay any attention to them, all they do is fight each other. They fight over guns, abortion, homosexuals and whatever. Right now they are busy dog bashing'. I didn't save the actual quotes, but that is the impression many sites have of FR.
It's sad because it's true.
Absolutely pathetic. Just how stupid do these people think we are? I suppose we'll just forget about all the wasteful spending, all the mismanagement, the new entitlements, our open border and all the rest. These people are cynical beyond belief.
Good Post!
Well said
Maybe you are right. We all heard this in the Bush-Kerry debate:
And thirdly, we need an earned-legalization program for people who have been here for a long time, stayed out of trouble, got a job, paid their taxes, and their kids are American. We got to start moving them toward full citizenship, out of the shadows.
The thing was, it was Kerry who was saying it. Bush had every opportunity to say the same thing, but didn't. Bush has changed his tune considerably since he got our conservative votes in 2004. In 2004 he proposed a temporary worker program, in 2006 it is permanent legal residence for 12 million. Bush has betrayed us.
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Schieffer: Let's go to a new question, Mr. President.
I got more e-mail this week on this question than any other question. And it is about immigration.
I'm told that at least 8,000 people cross our borders illegally every day. Some people believe this is a security issue, as you know. Some believe it's an economic issue. Some see it as a human-rights issue.
How do you see it? And what we need to do about it?
Bush: I see it as a serious problem. I see it as a security issue, I see it as an economic issue, and I see it as a human-rights issue.
We're increasing the border security of the United States. We've got 1,000 more Border Patrol agents on the southern border.
We're using new equipment. We're using unmanned vehicles to spot people coming across.
And we'll continue to do so over the next four years. It's a subject I'm very familiar with. After all, I was a border governor for a while.
Many people are coming to this country for economic reasons. They're coming here to work. If you can make 50 cents in the heart of Mexico, for example, or make $5 here in America, $5.15, you're going to come here if you're worth your salt, if you want to put food on the table for your families. And that's what's happening.
And so in order to take pressure off the borders, in order to make the borders more secure, I believe there ought to be a temporary worker card that allows a willing worker and a willing employer to mate up, so long as there's not an American willing to do that job, to join up in order to be able to fulfill the employers' needs.
That has the benefit of making sure our employers aren't breaking the law as they try to fill their workforce needs. It makes sure that the people coming across the border are humanely treated, that they're not kept in the shadows of our society, that they're able to go back and forth to see their families. See, the card, it'll have a period of time attached to it.
It also means it takes pressure off the border. If somebody is coming here to work with a card, it means they're not going to have to sneak across the border. It means our border patrol will be more likely to be able to focus on doing their job.
Now, it's very important for our citizens to also know that I don't believe we ought to have amnesty. I don't think we ought to reward illegal behavior. There are plenty of people standing in line to become a citizen. And we ought not to crowd these people ahead of them in line.
Bush: If they want to become a citizen, they can stand in line, too.
And here is where my opponent and I differ. In September 2003, he supported amnesty for illegal aliens.
Schieffer: Time's up.
Senator?
Kerry: Let me just answer one part of the last question quickly, and then I'll come to immigration.
The American middle class family isn't making it right now, Bob. And what the president said about the tax cuts has been wiped out by the increase in health care, the increase in gasoline, the increase in tuitions, the increase in prescription drugs.
The fact is, the take home pay of a typical American family as a share of national income is lower than it's been since 1929. And the take home pay of the richest .1 percent of Americans is the highest it's been since 1928.
Under President Bush, the middle class has seen their tax burden go up and the wealthiest's tax burden has gone down. Now that's wrong.
Now with respect to immigration reform, the president broke his promise on immigration reform. He said he would reform it. Four years later he is now promising another plan.
Here's what I'll do: Number one, the borders are more leaking today than they were before 9/11. The fact is, we haven't done what we need to do to toughen up our borders, and I will.
Secondly, we need a guest-worker program, but if it's all we have, it's not going to solve the problem.
The second thing we need is to crack down on illegal hiring. It's against the law in the United States to hire people illegally, and we ought to be enforcing that law properly.
And thirdly, we need an earned-legalization program for people who have been here for a long time, stayed out of trouble, got a job, paid their taxes, and their kids are American. We got to start moving them toward full citizenship, out of the shadows.
Schieffer: Do you want to respond, Mr. President?
Bush: Well, to say that the borders are not as protected as they were prior to September the 11th shows he doesn't know the borders. They're much better protected today than they were when I was the governor of Texas.
We have much more manpower and much more equipment there.
He just doesn't understand how the borders work, evidently, to say that. That is an outrageous claim.
And we'll continue to protect our borders. We're continuing to increase manpower and equipment.
Schieffer: Senator?
Kerry: Four thousand people a day are coming across the border.
The fact is that we now have people from the Middle East, allegedly, coming across the border.
And we're not doing what we ought to do in terms of the technology. We have iris-identification technology. We have thumbprint, fingerprint technology today. We can know who the people are, that they're really the people they say they are when the cross the border.
We could speed it up. There are huge delays.
The fact is our borders are not as secure as they ought to be, and I'll make them secure.
Schieffer: Next question to you, Senator Kerry.
Darn, how did that miss going into the memory hole?
well said.
Exactly. A guest is someone who goes home. The Senate Bill Bush pushes provides permanent legal residence to every illegal. Every illegal here more than 5 years gets permanent residence, and every illegal here less than five years need only purchase a crude forgery of a utility bill. They all get permanent residence, Green Cards, and EITC payouts.
Can you show where prior to the 2004 election Bush proposed providing wholescale permanent legal residence to essentially every illegal?
...29 And when he was come home he took a sword, and divided the dead body of his wife with her bones into twelve parts, and sent the pieces into all the borders of Israel. 30 And when every one had seen this, they all cried out: There was never such a thing done in Israel from the day that our fathers came up out of Egypt, until this day: give sentence, and decree in common what ought to be done...
1 Then all the children of Israel went out and gathered together as one man from Dan to Bersabee, with the land of Galaad, to the Lord in Maspha: 2 And all the chiefs of the people, and all the tribes of Israel met together in the assembly of the people of God, four hundred thousand footmen fit for war. And the Levite the husband of the woman that was killed, being asked, how so great a wickedness had been committed, 4 Answered: I came into Gabaa of Benjamin with my wife, and there I lodged: 5 And behold the men of that city in the night beset the house wherein I was, intending to kill me, and abused my wife with an incredible fury of lust, so that at last she died.
6 And I took her and cut her in pieces, and sent the, parts into all the borders of your possession: because there never was so heinous a crime, and so great an abomination committed in Israel. 7 You are all here, O children of Israel, determine what you ought to do. 8 And all the people standing, answered as by the voice of one man: We will not return to our tents, neither shall any one of us go into his own house: 9 But this we will do in common against Gabaa: 10 We will take ten men of a hundred out of all the tribes of Israel, and a hundred out of a thousand, and a thousand out of ten thousand, to bring victuals for the army, that we might fight against Gabaa of Benjamin, and render to it for its wickedness, what it deserveth....
Gary Bauer, head of American Values, said that Mr. Bush has alienated conservatives with his "guest-worker" program on immigration, as well as allowing excessive spending on Capitol Hill, but could pull back his base with a same-sex "marriage" ban.
mmmmm sorry Gary and Mr. President, it won't work.
I am. He's not.
No sir, you are whining and making intellectually dishonest arguments against this fine man and da*m fine CIC.
It is President GWB that is leading...by staying consistent to where his position on immigration has been all along.
That you have chosen to make this 40 year in the making problem your cross to hang on now is your business....and that you choose to make intellectually dishonest charges against President GWB is shameful.
Good post and find.
Your source and logic are not only un-impeachable....
why they're gosh darn un-appeasable too!
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