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Call-In In Depth with Mark Bowden C-SPAN, BookTV Mark Bowden , Atlantic Monthly Mr. Bowden's 1999 book Black Hawk Down: A Story of Modern War, the story of the downing of a Black Hawk helicopter in Somalia in 1993, was made into a movie directed by Ridley Scott. Another of his books, Killing Pablo (2001), which covered the life and death of Colombian drug lord Pablo Escobar, is currently being adapted for film. (Mr. Bowden is writing the screenplay). Mr. Bowden's latest book, Guests of the Ayatollah: The First Battle in America's War with Militant Islam, is about the 444 day Iran hostage crisis that began in November 1979. Mark Bowden's other books are: Doctor Dealer (1987), Bringing the Heat (1994), Our Finest Day: D-Day, June 6, 1944 (2002) and Finders Keepers (2002). |
From the thread:
The most interesting guest to me will be Condi Rice. She is doing a blitz of multiple shows and it is clear she has a message to push. I am very interested in what it is and how hard the drive by media will try to ignore it. Hans Blix is doing a mini-counter blitz (a Blix blitz?) and I'll be interested to learn his (the UN/PLO/Al Qaeda's) talking points as well as the hagiography of Al Gore on ABC. Is he really the great white hope of the moonbats?
The dominant meme appears to be that Bush Derangement Syndrome (BDS) is the only sane way to look at the world, oh, and appeasement is the most successful diplomatic tactic known to mankind (never mind the 100% failure rate)
MTP looks like must-miss tv today; Looking forward to seeing Condi on FNS.
Good morning AB and thanks for the thread. Sure would like a solid Brit smack down today.
G'morning Alas. Interesting line-up this morning.
I'm actually tempted to watch MTP this morning. The lineup of Biden, the Bloviator of the Senate, and Blix, the Mr. Magoo of weapons inspectors, promises some high comedy.
Good morning as as ever many thanks for putting the thread up
Al Gore, Sunday cartoons are back.
At least two networks have Time Magazine reporters on their panel. Their colleague who "broke" the Haditha soldiers story, was in collution with Taliban. Coincidence?
Haditha Reporter's Thanksgiving With The Taliban -> Sweetness & Light dutifully exposes the Time reporter's true connections. (Worth the Read)
Thanksgiving With the Taliban TIME correspondent Tim McGirk shares bread, raisins, and thoughts about the afterlife with some Taliban fighters, and finds some common ground.
I predict the shows don't mention one word about Iran.
Hot Topic of choice: Haditha
F&F had some guy on about giving felons their right to vote back. He said they would become better citizens if they got the right to vote again.
This show's name should be changed to:
MEET JOE BIDEN (NBC): Sen. Joe Biden, D-Del. will interview himself for an hour.
Watching Condi on FOX now.
It is a crying shame that most "people of color" voters are not even watching and if they were they are thinking of Condi as a Bush "shill" or worse an "Aunt Tommie".
It is such a pity that they cannot look on this wonderful ambassador of goodwill and think, "This is what I can grow up to be, or this is what my kids could grow up to be."
Many will follow the mantra of their "black leaders" and live their lives blaming the Republicans for all their ills and troubles.
Not 10%, probably not even 5% know without majority Republican support, the Civil Rights gains of the 60's would not have been possible. LBJ was right. The black voting public think just because he was President when the Civil Rights Act was passed, it just had to be Democrats casting all the votes.
Oh good, Lindsay Graham is on this morning ....... I'll hurry and bake my "I Wanna Be Popular Brown-nosed Brownies".
Anyone notice the number of times that Al Gore promoted the concept of overthrowing the system?
Exactly what system does he want to overthrow?
And, exactly with what does he propose to replace it?
First, the link and video was great:
http://www.cnn.com/2006/WORLD/meast/05/31/haditha/index.html
Video on lower right hand side of the screen. Called "Haditha Uncovered. Go watch it.
Perhaps someone can explain to me the logical and factual flaws in the "Iraqi Civilian Right Groups" "story. How can these facts be logically reconciled with what the Iraqis, and some supposed Freepers, are accusing the Marines of doing?
I think your analysis is spot on about this video:
To Quote Time:
"According to published reports, a number of Marines from the storied 3rd Battalion, 1st Marines, 1st Marine Division are accused killing more than 20 Iraqi civilians in retaliation for the death of one of their comrades by a roadside bomb in November, 2005."
Okie, 20 Dead Civilians. Which we are told were all shot thus supposedly proving "the Marines falsified the original report". So what could just be an honest mistake between a Marine's assumption on the spot of cause of death in his After Action Report (We didn't fire up the building, they were dead, must of been the bomb shrapnel) with a medical examiners report filed after a autopsies is NOW claimed by the accusers as"proof" that the "Marines Lied".
Ok so the accusation is they were all shot to death at short range in a building that had not been penetrated by any rounds from outside. No bullet holes in the building, must mean it was not Collateral Damage but a deliberate act is the accusers claims. In other words the accusers claim the Marines shot to death the Iraqis inside the building as a deliberate act not an accident of war. In fact, Some are running around claiming a shrapnel wound is so obviously different that a Combat Infantry Marine would know the difference between the two. Leave aside the obviously question why would Infantry Marine would be examining the wounds of dead Civilians, lets assume, that is correct.
Or to extend your comment, perhaps the particular people shot to death at close range weren't dead when the Marines filed their report, only later, when other "parties" showed up, such as insurgents an "Iraqi Civilian Right Groups" looking to stage an incident
Ok, then how come the "survivors" as interviewed for CNN by the "Iraqi Civil Rights group" are making such obviously absurd claims on the video?
"They burned the room with my father in it then threw a bomb"? Neat trick that. How they "Burn the room"? We don't use flame throwers. "Threw a bomb" but the accusers are telling us it all gun shot wounds. "a Bomb" inflict shrapnel wounds.
Yeah, that bothered me a lot, too.
Notice also the mannerism of the "children survivors". Having come thru what would of been the most terrifying event of their lives and being forced to talk about it again, yet the kids show no hesitation or emotion. Just a dull recital of supposed "Facts" as if they were reciting a story as an memorization assignment in School. Very strange that. Absolutely no real emotion, just a breathless recital of "Facts" Then when done speaking look over to the person standing to the right of the camera (You can see his shadow behind the kids). Sure looks like kids looking at a teacher to see how they did in reciting their "lesson"
I'm not sure whether they've changed the video between the time you watched it and when I did, but narrator/reporter does pick up on this a little, including pointing out a discrepancy where the little girl, on the 3rd time through her story, says that she knew the explosion was going to happen so she covered her ears. He doesn't outright say that the people in the house (assuming she was anywhere near that particular house that morning) were involved in the bombing, but he clearly leaves that as one possibility. Perhaps they saw your post and are trying to clean up their presentation to avoid accusations of bias?
Then there is the part where the "Iraqi Civil Rights Group" filming the kids told the Iraqi boy to "show his wounds". It must not of occurred to the "Iraqi Civil Rights Group" making the video to consider the Iraqi boy's supposed "wound". Apparently no one bothered to think about where he was "shot". The supposed "wound" supposedly inflicted by US Marines at point blank range, (as claimed by the "Iraqi Civil Rights Group)" is directly over his spine. Yet when told he got up and turned around for the camera to "Show his wounds"?
If he HAD been shot there, he would be crippled for life, his spine severed just below the neck. So all this is being based on the claims of an "Iraqi Civil Rights Group" which are demonstrated to be lying. Since they lied about this, what ELSE might they have lied about? So maybe some one can explain these inconsistencies in the "witnesses" testimony? Some "Americans", especially in the Junk Media, maybe want to rethink their rush to judgment on these Marines
The "bullet wound" directly over the upper part of the spine would almost certainly have left him a quadriplegic, if it really were a bullet wound. I have a very dear friend who has been in a wheel chair for over 30 years following an accidental shooting while he was an MP in Germany. His wound was about 3 vertebrae higher than this kids and the kid certainly wouldn't have been able to move his legs, if not all of his extremities, even if he survived such a wound. This is so obviously faked that I'm shocked that it hasn't made the front page of every paper in the world.
But maybe that's changing. Not long after you posted on the preview thread a firestorm broke on Michelle Malkin's blog over a UK Times article and photo about Haditha: UK TIMES SMEARS OUR MARINES (UPDATED WITH RESPONSE). The Times had used a photo of dead bodies lined up against a wall, hands tied and obviously executed to illustrate their story on Haditha, titled "Massacre Marines blinded by hate." The small problem is that the photo was of local Shiite workers and police massacred by "insurgents" a few months before Marines are supposed to have commited the supposed "atrocity." This was first pointed out by Joe G. on his blog. Malkin gave it much wider exposure and a bit of a blogstorm started. Michelle even got a response to an email she sent the US editor for the UK Times and the offending photo and caption was removed, but no apology was forthcoming and it is being passed off as a "mistake."
Mistake my ass!
This is an all out assault on the US, the US military and the hated US Marines in particular. The psychotic left, who are so well represented in the drive by media, the so called "peace movement" and the modern Democrat party are trying to destroy this country's ability to defend itself because they view any such defense, regardless of cause, as illegitimate. And the more effective a person or institution is the more they hate it. Not hate as in dislike. Hate as in "they must not only die, they must be wiped from the face of the Earth and erased from history." We've all been talking about Bush Derangement Syndrome (BDS). Now we can add to that Military Derangement Syndrome and the far more virulent and specialized psychosis Marine Derangement Syndrome.
And, as they usually do, they've allowed their psychosis to blind them to obvious flaws in these stories. And a bit at a time they're being exposed at it. Take Jason Smith's catch on the NRO Media Blog: BBC: Taking the Insurgents' Word For It (discussed on this FR thread). They've lost the "culture of corruption" attack angle with the William Jefferson and other dim scandals (despite the absolutely atrocious performance of Hastert and Boehner). They've fallen back on their supposed "great victory" of the Vietnam days and they're trying to recreate what they think they did back then. First, what they think they did that "worked" isn't what actually happened. Second, they were dealing with a conscript military who didn't have any idea of what they were doing or why they were there. This time they have to look long and hard to find such malcontents and they are usually exposed as either outright frauds, such as the lies told by the fake Ranger, Jesse MacBeth (several threads on FR, plus lots of blog comments blowing this one out of the water) or careerists who trained to fight tank battles in the Fulda Gap and lash out because they can't adapt to fighting a new enemy. And remember the New York Times "exclusive interview" with the Abu Ghraib "hooded man" who turned out to be a liar? Or the gift that keeps on giving, the Gitmo flushed Koran story from Newsweek?
They're out of their minds, out of control and very rapidly descending to Air America levels of credibility. I'm beginning to think that, within a month or so, this whole thing is going to blow up in their faces completely. Something will happen, some incident that exposes without possibility of obfuscation their completely insanity, treason and agenda of hate. What frightens me is that, if that happens, we don't know what they might do. We've established pretty effectively that they literally are losing their hold on reason. They still have the ability to cause damage on a massive scale. Desperate people, particularly desperate insane people, are truly dangerous.
What a horrible lineup. I think I'll leave the TV off until the Grapevine and panel at 8:30 on Fox.
The Sunday Show Lineup
By: Mark Kilmer · Section: Other Politics
For Sunday, June 4, 2006Meet the Press (NBC): Host Tim Russert talks to (EXCLUSIVE!)... Joe Biden. Then he chats with Hans Blix about his UN WMD Commission.
FOX News Sunday (FNS): Host Chris Wallace talks to Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, then to Lindsey Graham and Jack Reed about Haditha.
Face the Nation (CBS): Host Bob Schieffer ask questions of Secretary Rice with the help of time mag's Mike Duffy.
This Week (ABC): Host George Stephanopoulos talks to Al Gore about that weird movie. I hear it's a cross between a drunk professor's lecture vid and John Waters's Pink Flamingoes.
Late Edition (CNN): Host Wolf Blitzer talks to Secretary Rice, Senators George Allen and Carl Levin, Hans Blix, and his cast of thousands.
~~~~~It's Condi Rice week, which adds some sanity and enjoyment. Hans Blix? I thought he had died. Carl Levin and Jack Reed are generally miserable in disposition, but Lindsey Graham and George Allen will have things to say: Allen because he's running for President, Graham because... well, he always has something to say.
If I can sit through Gore -- half-maniac/half-dullard -- we can call it a bonus, but the review of the shows will be here at RedState early Sunday afternoon.
(14 comments, 14 new) Comments >> Jun 3rd, 2006: 14:49:07
He has two comments I love:
Hans Blix? I thought he had died
Gore -- half-maniac/half-dullard
Those are keepers. And his review of AlGore's "movie" is a riot.
Allow me a Shout out for the Children's Miracle Network Telethon. This raises money for Children's hospitals all over the US and Canada the first Sunday of June every year. It is a fabulous way to spend a few charitable dollars. Maybe some of that money that is not going to Liddy Dole, LOL!, could be redirected to the CMN. Every city has their own phone numbers for pledges, I think. In Baltimore, it has preempted Steffi.