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To: garyhope; NY.SS-Bar9; Beckwith; fr_freak
Citizens need guns for self protection and to keep their government afraid of them.

I've just read through this thread and am completely amazed that you four folks are the only FReepers that have touched on the real reason for the 2nd Amendment.

Like all of the other nine the 2nd is to enable us to protect ourselves from OUR OWN GOVERNMENT. Many folks believe that it was included to insure we always had fresh meat on the table at mealtime....or that we could call up the militia in case of a national emergency or invasion.

The framers knew.....and the States verified....that the people needed some assurance that their newly formed Republic would not blossom into some kind of a tyrannical, uncontrollable, monster.....like a democracy. Thus, the Bill of Rights. In the first ten amendments the people were assured protection from their own government....and the States ratified it.

We so seldom hear this reason given and unfortunately most folks just look at you with glazed eyes when you mention it. Such a shame. Thank you for reminding us of the reason for it all!

160 posted on 06/05/2006 5:45:19 PM PDT by Diego1618
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To: Diego1618

<< I've just read through this thread and am completely amazed that you four folks are the only FReepers who have touched on the real reason for the 2nd Amendment. >>

Try "five," at least.

[Read #155]


162 posted on 06/05/2006 5:58:26 PM PDT by Brian Allen (All that is required to ensure the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing. -- Edmund Burke)
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To: Diego1618

Thanks. I'm amazed too.

I'm also amazed, absolutely stunned, that so many people do not realize that Western civilization is at peril. The Islamofascists and leftist are trying to destroy all of Western civilization and especially America.

Europe is dying, (and I'm a Europhile and Francophile, I love many things European and French (I lived there for years) right in front of our eyes, and I don't just love Europe for the cheese and wine, etc., but for the many things that are part of our civilized culture and society of law, science, arts, rational thought, good manners, etc. We were given and learned much from a great civilization, England (despite it's current faults as did much, if not all of the world).


What will happen to us if a Hillary, Gore, Kerry, Dean or other America, freedom, gun hating leftist "liberal" "Democrat" is elected POTUS? I think we'll die. Hillary is the end of the world, Gore, Dean, Teddy, not to mention scores of so called actors and "celebrities" (to name just a few) are raving mad/nuts.

Personally, I think the entire civilized world is in danger of dying right now under the onslaut of the Islamofascists. I think we're in real peril.

I hope I'm paranoid, but I think we're in the real deep doo doo.

I think there's going to be armed conflict in the US soon. I think Push is going to come to a very hard shove. I think a lot of people are going to die.

The left, the "Democrats" are all traitors or cowards who will appease us into the grave. The Muslims are all totally nuts.

Freedom is the most radical and revolutionary political idea in the history of the world. Many, if not most people are deathly afraid of it. They want their mommies and daddys to care for them. They want the nanny state. Taking care of themselves is too hard.


172 posted on 06/05/2006 7:22:50 PM PDT by garyhope
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To: Diego1618
I've just read through this thread and am completely amazed that you four folks are the only FReepers that have touched on the real reason for the 2nd Amendment.

I know that is the primary reason for it. However the reason doesn't matter, the meaning and effect of the provision does. The effect is that the government cannot infringe on the right of the people, all of them or any of them. Except through individual due process upon commission of a crime. But the same power applies to most of the other rights protected by the Bill of Rights, and some other protections contained elsewhere in the Constitution. They too have their reasons for existence, but the purpose of each is to limit the power of government to violate those inherent rights.

189 posted on 06/05/2006 11:38:07 PM PDT by El Gato
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