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Mexican Lab Closed Down After Suspicions that Painkiller Killed Heroin Users in U.S.
Foxnews.com ^ | 06.05.06 | AP

Posted on 06/05/2006 8:10:06 PM PDT by KoRn

CHICAGO — U.S. agents, working in cooperation with the Mexican government, have closed down a lab in Mexico that might be the main source of a powerful painkiller that has killed at least 100 heroin users in eight states, the federal drug czar said Monday.

John Walters, director of the White House Office of National Drug Control Policy, said it's still not clear whether the painkiller,fentanyl, was mixed with heroin at the lab in Mexico or after it entered the United States.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: drugskilledbelushi; drugtrafficking; fentanyl; heroin; johnwalters; knowyourleroy; painkillers; wod
I don't know what those people were thinking. It doesn't make good business sense as a drug supplier to KILL the end user! To use Fentanyl is comperable to cyanide if too much is used. The medicine is so strong it's measured in microliters, and is 80 times more potent than Morphine.
1 posted on 06/05/2006 8:10:08 PM PDT by KoRn
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They should open up more of those labs.


2 posted on 06/05/2006 8:21:28 PM PDT by oolatec
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To: KoRn

A bunch of dead heroin users is bad how?


3 posted on 06/05/2006 8:22:03 PM PDT by Slump Tester ( What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: KoRn
Here's a good link on that info:

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fentanyl"

4 posted on 06/05/2006 8:27:58 PM PDT by Sarajevo (Life is a sexually transmitted disease. -R. D. Laing)
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To: KoRn
The medicine is so strong it's measured in microliters,

I think that would be micrograms and yes it is 80x as potent as morphine and tough to handle. But it appears there is a recipe for cooking this in a kitchen so we can expect more of this.

Methamphetamine is to cocaine what fentanyl is to heroin.

The unintended consequences of the WOD are cruel.

5 posted on 06/05/2006 8:32:21 PM PDT by corkoman
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To: Slump Tester
A bunch of dead heroin users is bad how?

So much for compassion. I suppose there are those who wish the same for you.

6 posted on 06/05/2006 8:33:44 PM PDT by corkoman
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To: corkoman
Methamphetamine is to cocaine what fentanyl is to heroin.

No.

Cocaine is to chewing coca leaves as fentanyl is to heroin.

7 posted on 06/05/2006 8:35:29 PM PDT by Dinsdale
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To: corkoman
"I think that would be micrograms"

Yes, that's right. I was thinking one thing and typing another lol.

8 posted on 06/05/2006 8:39:14 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: corkoman

No one put a gun to the dumb asses heads to make them use heroin. They are nothing but a burden on society. Good riddence.


9 posted on 06/05/2006 8:40:36 PM PDT by Slump Tester ( What if I'm pregnant Teddy? Errr-ahh Calm down Mary Jo, we'll cross that bridge when we come to it)
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To: KoRn

maybe they don't care ... these are monsters and creeps poisoning human beings


10 posted on 06/05/2006 8:41:42 PM PDT by InvisibleChurch (Tolerance is the last virtue of a depraved society.)
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To: corkoman
"The unintended consequences of the WOD are cruel."

I have to agree with you there. If drugs were sold legally by licensed and regulated manufacturers in licensed and regulated businesses the demand for 'home cooked' flavors of drugs would be greatly reduced. I know I'll be shot down and flamed for saying such a thing on here, but its the simple truth.

11 posted on 06/05/2006 8:42:27 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: KoRn

Does anyone know what kind of death this would cause? What I mean is, what symptoms would be exhibited in a person who had taken this? I ask because I know of someone who died under mysterious circumstances recently.


12 posted on 06/05/2006 8:43:59 PM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The moving finger writes and, having writ, moves on......)
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To: InvisibleChurch
"maybe they don't care ... these are monsters and creeps poisoning human beings"

That's true. As long as they get their $$$$ they don't care. It doesn't matter if a child dies or if a family gets destroyed by their end product. Allot of they money they make on that stuff is blood on their hands. It reminds me of some of the 'creative' things bootleggers used to do with whiskey when they were making it.

13 posted on 06/05/2006 8:45:48 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: corkoman; Slump Tester

"A bunch of dead heroin users is bad how?

So much for compassion. I suppose there are those who wish the same for you."


Is living with a Heroin addiction so much better then dying ?


14 posted on 06/05/2006 8:47:08 PM PDT by RS ("I took the drugs because I liked them and I found excuses to take them, so I'm not weaseling.")
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican
"Does anyone know what kind of death this would cause? "

Suffocation in one form or another. It's a bigtime respiratory depressant. The people taking the Fentanyl laced drugs would simply forget to breathe.

15 posted on 06/05/2006 8:47:09 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: KoRn

Too funny, really. They can't find drug traffickers, they can't stop the dope from crossing the border, they say they don't know where it's coming from, they don't know who is distributing it here, but hold the door! When that many "customers" drop dead they can cooperate with Mexico and find that lab lickety split and shut it down. Failure to close that lab quickly could hurt profits, you know. How interesting...


16 posted on 06/05/2006 8:47:28 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: KoRn

Wow, a painkiller that's 100% effective.


17 posted on 06/05/2006 8:47:33 PM PDT by Nachoman (I love greasy old bolt guns.)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican
Does anyone know what kind of death this would cause?

A quick one?

18 posted on 06/05/2006 8:49:18 PM PDT by Focault's Pendulum (I'm not a curmudgeon!!!! I've just been in a bad mood since '73)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
"When that many "customers" drop dead they can cooperate with Mexico and find that lab lickety split and shut it down"

Now that you mention it, that IS pretty interesting. If the lab were involved in human smuggling rather than drugs it would still be going strong today.......

19 posted on 06/05/2006 8:52:30 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: KoRn

But the owners will get amnesty


20 posted on 06/05/2006 9:04:16 PM PDT by BurbankKarl
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To: BurbankKarl
"But the owners will get amnesty"

I won't go there now. I'll end up hijacking my own thread ROFL!!

21 posted on 06/05/2006 9:11:26 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: KoRn
"If drugs were sold legally by licensed and regulated manufacturers in licensed and regulated businesses the demand for 'home cooked' flavors of drugs would be greatly reduced."

I read that if the first dose of Fentanyl doesn't kill you, it will definitely hook you.

Do you really want a drug like that legal? There would be pushers slipping it to unexpecting people. Some of the people who took the bad heroin thought they were taking pure heroin and didn't know they were getting Fentanyl.

22 posted on 06/05/2006 9:11:58 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: Focault's Pendulum
"Does anyone know what kind of death this would cause? "

It suppresses breathing. You stop breathing.

23 posted on 06/05/2006 9:14:11 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN
"Do you really want a drug like that legal?"

Oh hell no. No way should a drug that potent be available to everyone. A drug like that should ONLY be used for surgeries or chronic pain patients in controlled released medicines. Heroine shouldn't be legal either. Heroine is just Morphine that hasn't been as 'refined'. I believe that some of the 'recreational' drugs should be regulated and sold legally to adults. I'm sure if this is done it would reduce demand for the harder drugs. No one can say so for sure, but people are using hard drugs now, and the lesser drugs are still illegal. I just don't see the logic of something like hard liquor being legal to buy, and something like marijuana be illegal(no I don't use it). It doesn't make any sense because hard liquor is worse for you physically than marijuana, and causes physical dependence.

24 posted on 06/05/2006 9:21:02 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: KoRn

IIRC Heroin is refined morphine which is refined opium.


25 posted on 06/05/2006 9:26:17 PM PDT by 11B40 (times change, people don't)
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To: 11B40
"IIRC Heroin is refined morphine which is refined opium."

Ahh. I'm not a pharmacist, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, was just repeating what a Dr. told me once. What does IIRC mean? I've seen that a few times on other threads.

26 posted on 06/05/2006 9:33:31 PM PDT by KoRn
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To: KoRn

IIRC: If I Recall Correctly.


27 posted on 06/05/2006 9:47:06 PM PDT by 11B40 (times change, people don't)
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To: KoRn

"The medicine is so strong it's measured in microliters, and is 80 times more potent than Morphine."

It is measured in Micrograms.


28 posted on 06/05/2006 10:51:36 PM PDT by cpdiii (Socialism is popular with the ruling class. It gives legitimacy to tyranny and despotism.)
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To: Southside_Chicago_Republican
Does anyone know what kind of death this would cause? What I mean is, what symptoms would be exhibited in a person who had taken this? I ask because I know of someone who died under mysterious circumstances recently.

In order as follows:
Decreased blood pressure and heart rate.
Decreased consciousness.
Lack of consciousness.Respiratory arrest and death.

PS
The war on drugs is a joke. The war keeps the prices high and gives the bad guys that bring this crap into the country a monopoly and insane profits that are used to promote more crime. The answer to the problem is very simple. Legalize it and take the crime out of it. Give help to those that want help to kick the habit. Be grateful that those that want to live their life in a drug induced haze will probably overdose or live on the fringes of society and not harm us as they do today

Mississippi had the highest per capita consumption of alcohol in the nation when it was a dry state. When Mississippi went wet, alcohol consumption went down.

cpdiii Pharmacist

29 posted on 06/05/2006 11:11:32 PM PDT by cpdiii (Socialism is popular with the ruling class. It gives legitimacy to tyranny and despotism.)
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To: KoRn
"IIRC Heroin is refined morphine which is refined opium." Ahh. I'm not a pharmacist, and I didn't stay at a Holiday Inn Express last night, was just repeating what a Dr. told me once. What does IIRC mean? I've seen that a few times on other threads.

Opium is the unrefined product of the poppy plant. It has many alkaloids in it, several of which but not all are very effective pain killers and also addictive. Morphine is one of the alkaloids. Heroin is simply morphine that has a slightly different chemical structure that makes it much more lipid soluble. Because of this increased lipid solubility it will cross the "blood brain barrier" much more easily than morphine and thus is a much more effective pain killer and much more addictive

30 posted on 06/05/2006 11:23:01 PM PDT by cpdiii (Socialism is popular with the ruling class. It gives legitimacy to tyranny and despotism.)
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To: KoRn

ping


31 posted on 06/06/2006 12:10:48 AM PDT by SR 50 (Larry)
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To: cpdiii

Mainland China SOLVED their drug problem arond 1947? very effectively. If we would do the same, we wouldn't have such a problem. However, few want to listen.


32 posted on 06/06/2006 4:32:56 AM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: cpdiii

Thanks for your reply.


33 posted on 06/06/2006 7:28:59 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The moving finger writes and, having writ, moves on......)
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