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Reality will beat Bush on border issue [The Fat Lady Sings On Illegal Alien Amnesty]
Newsday ^ | June 8, 2006 | James Pinkerton

Posted on 06/08/2006 4:55:28 AM PDT by conservativecorner

George W. Bush continues to campaign for his idea of a "comprehensive" immigration bill, even as geopolitical events conspire to undercut him. We can bet on reality, rather than Bush's ideology, to win.

If for nothing else, we can give the president credit for sticking with his core beliefs; he truly believes that businesslike harmony would be boosted by the free flow of people across national frontiers. Indeed, those pro-globalist beliefs are so strong that they undercut even his photo-op attempts to look tough on border security while Congress debates his legislation. Yesterday the Washington Post reported that Bush, in New Mexico and Texas for a tour of the borderlands, was happy-talking with the locals - in Spanish.

The message sent by such non-English chit-chatting, of course, is that all this enforcement is just a ruse to mollify the right. When things calm down again, Bush believes, amnesty will be granted, and America will continue its long march toward pro-business bilingualism.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Philosophy; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: aliens; immigrantlist
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1 posted on 06/08/2006 4:55:31 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner

For one, I do not subscribe to the idea of One World Government, with Hillary as President of the United States and husband, Bill, Secretary-General of the United Nations. Working on trade barriers instead of border barriers is a stop toward one world government. This globalist concept by the President is nothing more than a step in that direction, perhaps for other, altruistic reasons. Borders, culture, and language is my wish for our country.


2 posted on 06/08/2006 5:00:58 AM PDT by olezip
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To: conservativecorner
"House Republicans have their problems, but on the all-important issue of immigration they have a political winner. Indeed, House GOPers are the rock defending America. And that's not a bad position to hold for the '06 elections, and beyond."

Agree.
The heinous McCain/Kennedy Senate Amnesty Bill is dead.
I think we are going to make a killing in November.
3 posted on 06/08/2006 5:02:21 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: conservativecorner
It's way overdue for Bush and the other apologists to stop the "there's too many of them" BS. Start shipping them back, the sooner the better. Start fining employers, yesterday. Set up a system to verify fake identification presented by the illegals. Make it clear that Social Security contributions presented fraudulently are permanent donations. Keep track of the amounts to determine any future income tax amounts owed.

No problem with pro-business bilingualism, so long as the workers are here legally, and on our terms, and Bush's "banana" is a distant memory.

4 posted on 06/08/2006 5:08:03 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: conservativecorner

Here in Puget Sound we have more than 100,000 Slavic (mostly Russian and Ukrainian) legal immigrants that are learning English and following well-known paths to citizenship through hard work in menial jobs.

Their hope is for their children to experience the American Dream.

If any language other than English should predominate in this region it should be Russian. But these Russian speaking immigrants do not insist that others speak Russian or Ukrainian.

By speaking a non-English language, the President is promoting the continuing Balkanization of America.


5 posted on 06/08/2006 5:08:16 AM PDT by Hostage
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To: Jameison

I will be making a donation today to the NRCC. They understand the base when it speaks while the WH and senate ignore the obvious.


6 posted on 06/08/2006 5:08:51 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: Hostage

"Their hope is for their children to experience the American Dream."

The dream is alive and well. It worked for my Italian Grandfather early in the twentieth century, and these folks will be rewarded for their vision that they have for their children.


7 posted on 06/08/2006 5:12:22 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: conservativecorner
"I will be making a donation today to the NRCC."

So will I.

"They understand the base when it speaks while the WH and senate ignore the obvious"

You are right on that one.
I have strongly backed Dubya, but he's simply wrong on this one.
8 posted on 06/08/2006 5:13:37 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Hostage

Just our of curiousity, are the slavs migrating to catholicism as they typically do, or are they building orthodox churches?


9 posted on 06/08/2006 5:22:28 AM PDT by Reagan 76
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To: conservativecorner
Doing a 180 on this issue will be difficult for the Pres. and the Senate. They may lose some integrity but, save their jobs and the Party. The will of the people must be acknowledged.
10 posted on 06/08/2006 5:26:02 AM PDT by wolfcreek
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To: Jameison
Unforunately for Conservatives who supported President Bush, we are finding that our trust was was misplaced.

Too late: The White House just doesn't get it

11 posted on 06/08/2006 5:26:02 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: Jameison
I think we are going to make a killing in November.

The day before yesterday in a congressional race in a district with a huge immigration problem the anti immigration Republican Candidate won ... with 49.5 percent of the vote in a District that normally goes 56 percent Republican.

The pro illegal immigrant candidate, a Democrat, won 45.5 percent in the district the same vote Kerry got in the district in 2004. The pro Mexican immigration postion of the Demcrat candidate did not cost her a single vote that Kerry got with out the issue.

If you add in the Minuteman endorsed candidate otherwise known as the teach the Republicans a lesson candidate the total anti immigration vote could not have exceeded 54.5 percent.

The only conclusion possible is the immigration issue had zero effect on the voters in that district.

The lesson learned by the Republicans is the Minutemen can't defeat anyone. That is anti immigration can't defeat a RINO.

If immigration was such a big issue in that race why did the RINO Republican Bilbray call in George W. Bush to campaign for him in the final days of that race.

The lesson learned in Washington yesterday is that he very vocal anti immigration voters are a very vocal but very small minority and they do not effect the outcome of Elections. Democrats learned the same lesson. That means it is an issue that does not need to be addressed by either party.

What the RINO Senate Republicans learned is they have nothing to fear. And house members learned that all they need do is give the issue lip service until after the fall election.

In this falls election nothing will change. The RINOs in the Senate will get reelected and so will house members. They will not agree on anything connected with a new immigration law. The law and enforcement will remain exactly as it is ... exactly what the RINOs and Democrats want.

After the fall election when immigration is finally proved to be unable to defeat Republicans, the media will drop the story like a hot potato. By the 8th day of November of this year there will be no illegal immigration stories in the news. There will be no AP, Reuters, or local stories reported at all. There will be no national or local coverage of your issue.

You have fought the good fight and you have lost.. You just don't know it yet.

12 posted on 06/08/2006 5:29:35 AM PDT by Common Tator
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To: conservativecorner
I don't understand why so many folks on this forum keep saying that Bush or the Whitehouse..."just doesn't get it".

I assure you, they GET IT. ...They just don't care about your opinion or wants or desires.

These people are the Global Elites (in their own minds, I assure you). There goal is to take down all borders and head us toward one-world government. They could give a rat's a$$ what you want citizen, so shut up and take it.

Only their fear of what we will do if they don't comply with the wishes of the majority of the American populace will have any effect. ...It's time for the pitchforks, torches, and tar and feathers.

13 posted on 06/08/2006 5:33:19 AM PDT by Ranger Drew
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To: conservativecorner
On Monday night, Rep. Tom Tancredo, who has made border control his signature issue, won a Republican presidential straw poll in Michigan. That's right, an obscure backbencher from Colorado beat out all the big names, including Sens. John McCain, Bill Frist and Sam Brownback, all of whom voted with Bush on the pro-amnesty bill.

I had not heard this. One would think this straw poll in Michigan would send a chill through the GOP and that reality would start setting in with the Bush/Rove anti-self-government, pro-illegal alien ruling elites. I am not sure they will ever see the light on illegal immigration however because at their core they are not on board with the right of the American people to decide this one for themselves. These elected officials have demonstrated that they do not believe that they have any legal or ethical obligation to fulfill their constitutional obligations to enforce the law when they do not personally agree with it. In short, they do not support the central achivement and project of the American revolution -- republican self-government.

Defeating the pro-illegal globalists on illegal immigration is not a "one issue" obsession as many illegal immigration supporters say. It is about the people reasserting their sovereign rights as citizens to govern themselves through democratically enacted legislation. It is about whether the people's will expressed through this legislation will be honored and executed by our chief executive. It is about whether the 200 plus year old experiment in republican self-government won for us by our founders will be declared officially null and void and replaced by a political and business oligarchy that rules us based on their own private interest and agendas.

14 posted on 06/08/2006 5:36:43 AM PDT by politeia
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To: Publius6961

"Start fining employers, "

Bingo. The quickest way to slow this invasion down to a trickle is to take away the jobs these criminals come for. Companies don't fear any punishement for breaking the law because the administration has shown almost no interest in going after them. It is all a matter of political will. Were Bush to want to start cracking down hard on these companies we'd see a tremendous reduction almost over night in the amount of illegals hired.


15 posted on 06/08/2006 5:38:39 AM PDT by SmoothTalker
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To: politeia

Amen, brother. ...Intelligent, accurate, and ABSOLUTELY correct! I can't remember the last time I was this outraged.


16 posted on 06/08/2006 5:41:37 AM PDT by Ranger Drew
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To: politeia
The House Republicans and NRCC understand a winner when it comes to stopping illegal alien amnesty. The conference committee will let this pig with lip stick die in committee, and it will be a central issue in the 2006 mid terms. Our Party's national chairman is even making excuses for the demoncrat candidate. Pathetic!

Mehlman: Busby Blew It

17 posted on 06/08/2006 5:44:13 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: Common Tator
"The only conclusion possible is the immigration issue had zero effect on the voters in that district"BR>
Nice try, but no cigar.
Just last week, the polls were tied ad a dead heat.
The previous Republican incumbent has been put in jail for corruption, President Bush had "abysmal poll figures", and and the RATS candidate run ads continuously on "Republican culture of corruption".
RATS should have had an easy win. They didn't.
What changed things round?
The RATS candidate cheerfully suggesting (on tape), just a few days before voting, that illegals should just go in and vote.
This election was won on just one thing.
Illegal immigrating.


"You have fought the good fight and you have lost.. You just don't know it yet."

LMAO!
And Zarqawi is still alive too. You sound like the Nancy Pelosi yesterday, and the Al Quaeda in Iraq today.
Get back to me when you get back to reality wil ya? :) The loony left of America, permanently stuck on stupid!!
18 posted on 06/08/2006 5:45:22 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Publius6961
It's way overdue for Bush and the other apologists to stop the "there's too many of them" BS. Start shipping them back, the sooner the better. Start fining employers, yesterday. Set up a system to verify fake identification presented by the illegals. Make it clear that Social Security contributions presented fraudulently are permanent donations. Keep track of the amounts to determine any future income tax amounts owed.

Agreed. IMHO also stripping them of all assets will have a lot of illegals selling the stuff they can't carry (real estate) and getting out of Dodge.

19 posted on 06/08/2006 5:59:23 AM PDT by CPOSharky (Go home and fix your own country before you complain about ours.)
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To: Common Tator
Read this, and weep:

http://www.washtimes.com/national/20060608-123420-4090r.htm

"California Republican Brian Bilbray, who on Tuesday defeated a Democrat whom he had trailed in polls for weeks to win an open House seat, credited his comeback to his tough stance on immigration, which mirrors the stern House bill that would reject any sort of amnesty for illegal aliens.
Conservatives, including potential presidential candidate Newt Gingrich, called the election results a clear repudiation of the Senate bill on immigration, which would offer the 11 million illegal aliens in the United States what amounts to amnesty.
"To the Bush administration, to the Senate, flat out: My opponent ran on your ticket on amnesty; I ran against it, on no amnesty," Mr. Bilbray said on San Diego's KOGO radio Tuesday night. "The message ought to be that now, and here, is the time to take care of this problem. ... What don't you get about the word 'illegal?'?"
Mr. Bilbray strayed so far from the Republicans' Washington leadership that Sen. John McCain of Arizona, who is one of the main authors of the Senate immigration bill, canceled a fundraiser last week for him after the candidate publicly attacked Mr. McCain's plan to grant what some see as amnesty to illegals.
The victory is a rebuke of President Bush's call for a "guest-worker" program, which would let illegal aliens remain in the country while they apply for citizenship. Mr. Bush regularly says he opposes amnesty but has backed the Senate bill's approach to immigration, which offers a "path to citizenship" for illegals, over the House's "security only" proposals. "
20 posted on 06/08/2006 6:29:15 AM PDT by Jameison
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