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The Marriage Amendment and Chafee in Rhode Island
National Review Online ^ | June 8, 2006 | Patrick Casey

Posted on 06/08/2006 1:19:22 PM PDT by DBeers

The Marriage Amendment and Chafee in Rhode Island


Yesterday the Senate defeated by a vote of 49-48 a motion for cloture on the Marriage Amendment that would define marriage as only between a man and a woman. That motion for cloture needed 60 votes to pass, following which the Amendment would have gone on to a debate and vote in the Senate again, where it would then need a vote count of 67 in the affirmative to send it on to the states for ratification. All of the Left and the media, and many on the right, decry the vote as pure politics, and the media minions are harping on the result as a "stinging defeat" for the President and Republicans. I disagree. This proposed amendment was a response, not an attack. This is an issue that was started by liberal activists targeting liberal activist judges to obtain rulings that they know they couldn't get through the legislative or referendum process. Why raise it now? Because the attempt to legislate from the bench on this issue is still going on every day with new filings - but the media has learned its lesson from 2004 when the issue turned into a major plus for Republicans and President Bush and is now keeping its mouth shut about it.

Republican John McCain, who voted against cloture along with fellow Republicans Chafee, Gregg, Snowe, Specter and Sununu, made the following astounding statement after the vote:

"Most Americans are not yet convinced that their elected representatives or the judiciary are likely to expand decisively the definition of marriage to include same-sex couples..."

No, Senator, you are wrong. Every time the issue has been dealt with where it should be - not in the courts, but either by referendum or state legislation, it has passed overwhelmingly because people are afraid of what happened in Massachusetts. Liberal activist judges usurped the people's power and people across the country are afraid of that happening in their states. It’s called unchecked judicial power. I don't like the fact that we would even have to consider such an amendment but until and unless the Supreme Court rules that marriage is marriage or rules that courts should stay out of this I'm at a loss for what else can be done. Before I get called a bigot, two of my Killington ski-house mates and friends had a commitment ceremony as far back as 1992 that I supported and approved of then and still do now. It's just that marriage is a different thing.

Ted Kennedy, not to be out-done by the pandering technique two days earlier of his son Patrick, said the following:

"The Republican leadership is asking us to spend time writing bigotry into the Constitution," said Sen. Edward Kennedy of Massachusetts, which legalized gay marriage in 2003. "A vote for it is a vote against civil unions, against domestic partnership, against all other efforts for states to treat gays and lesbians fairly under the law." 

No Senator, you are wrong as well. The full text of the proposed amendment was as follows:

"SECTION 1. This article may be cited as the `Marriage Protection Amendment'.

SECTION 2. Marriage in the United States shall consist only of the union of a man and a woman. Neither this Constitution, nor the constitution of any State, shall be construed to require that marriage or the legal incidents thereof be conferred upon any union other than the union of a man and a woman."

Teddy, that means "marriage = man + woman". Civil unions consisting of any other coupling is not covered by this amendment and is allowed - just don't call it marriage. And legislators can convey any benefits they want on civil unions.

Nationwide polls have shown that voters are overwhelmingly opposed to same-sex marriage. Recent polls that have been touted in the press, however, have suspiciously coupled that question with a question about approving a constitutional amendment banning gay marriage. That question has less support. But if the question was asked in the manner in which the amendment is offered - that it is as a final alternative to uncontrolled actions by activist judges going against the will of the people - I'd bet the marriage amendment would have more public support in those same polls. But that wouldn't have the effect that the media is hoping, would it?

Even in liberal Rhode Island, same-sex marriage doesn't have much support, let alone majority support. In a recent Rhode Island College poll only 31% of voters approved gay marriage, while 42% drew the line at civil unions. 21% wanted to continue a ban on same-sex marriage while apparently 6% had no opinion at all. A word of caution - the poll results are written to appeal to a liberal audience, so the conclusions state that by a 3 to 1 margin voters support legally recognized same-sex unions, either marriage or civil. But it could just as easily be said that by a 3 to 1 margin Rhode Island voters disapprove of same-sex marriage, with an overwhelming plurality supporting civil unions. It's all in the phraseology.

All of this talk about ideology and "values" is getting some Republicans pursuing re-election nervous, claimed Carl Hulse in a New York Times article yesterday. And whom does Hulse use as an example of a nervous Republican? Why Rhode Island's Senator Lincoln Chafee, of course! The only other named Republicans that Hulse can find are Ed Rollins and John McCain. That speaks for itself. Pat Toomey is mentioned, but it's hard to determine if it was just to give Hulse his "some conservatives" straw man cover mentioned in the article or if Toomey is actually concerned about damage from the Marriage Amendment. From the quote from Toomey used by Hulse in the article I think that because of his position with Club for Growth, Toomey is just naturally more concerned about economic issues.

And what specifically does Chafee have to fret about?

"It [ideological topics] may stir up my primary voters a little bit against me," said Mr. Chafee, a centrist Republican up for re-election. He opposes the push for a constitutional amendment to prohibit same-sex marriage and is under intense pressure to back a proposed amendment that would forbid flag burning. "I'm collateral damage." 

Well, Senator, it's all about taking easily definable (i.e. hard votes rather than talking points) positions on issues that the party core supports. Even in Rhode Island same-sex marriage is a solidly minority position to hold, and not just in the Republican Party. And by your vote yesterday you have taken a position that in effect supports gay marriage and activist judges who legislate from the bench - which, by the way, usurps and infringes on your role as a representative of the people. Deal with it.




TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Extended News; US: Rhode Island
KEYWORDS: fma; homosexualagenda; homosexualmarriage; lincolnchafee; marriage; mpa; rino

1 posted on 06/08/2006 1:19:24 PM PDT by DBeers
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2 posted on 06/08/2006 1:20:27 PM PDT by DBeers ()
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To: DBeers

"said Mr. Chafee, a centrist Republican up for re-election"

Calling Lincoln Log Cabin Chafee "a centrist" is awfully generous. To quote Dennis Miller, He's farther to the left than the part in Sam Donaldson's hair.


3 posted on 06/08/2006 1:23:45 PM PDT by Disturbin (Hey Hey, Ho Ho, The Illegals Have to GO)
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To: DBeers

that mccain....i tell you....vicious judas goat along with chafee....they may call themselves 'republican' and you can fool some of the people some the time, but you can't fool the all the people all the time....except those flaming libs with their heads up their tails who enjoy being fooled all the time....


4 posted on 06/08/2006 1:23:56 PM PDT by Nightrider
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To: DBeers

I have to ask - and I mean this seriously, not flippantly - is this the ONLY public policy question you care about? I never see you post on anything else, JUST gay topics.


5 posted on 06/08/2006 1:24:25 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: linda_22003
I have to ask - and I mean this seriously, not flippantly - is this the ONLY public policy question you care about? I never see you post on anything else, JUST gay topics.

LOL -as the person prresently tasked with running the homosexual agenda ping list I not so surprisingly focus on this issue...

6 posted on 06/08/2006 1:27:46 PM PDT by DBeers ()
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To: DBeers

The best bet to replace Chafee is to defeat him in the primary...

I dont have a vote in this election (I'm in California), I do have some money to help defeat Chafee... I've given money to Steve Laffey's campaign (money I saved by not giving to the RNC or RSNC this year).

http://www.electlaffey.com/site/index.php


7 posted on 06/08/2006 1:29:37 PM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: DBeers

OK, thanks. I didn't know there were assignments for that. I appreciate the...."straight" answer.

(Sorry, absolutely could NOT resist.....)


8 posted on 06/08/2006 1:29:57 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: DBeers

I blasted all of the Republican Senators (and their staffers) that voted against the Bill. I signed off with: You voted today, we get to vote tomorrow. THese idiots are not accountable to the people that elected them.


9 posted on 06/08/2006 1:30:15 PM PDT by Doc Hunter
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To: Doc Hunter
These idiots are not accountable to the people that elected them.

They really believe that they are above the fray and the will of the voters.

10 posted on 06/08/2006 1:38:14 PM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: linda_22003
It is not really an assignment hoisted upon one -it is more a task volunteered for -a responsibility taken on.

I use such as this e.g. forcing myself to enage and focus upon and as such gain understanding and expertise to more effectively support or oppose political issues that I feel are of importance.

As a Catholic, the fact that I may faithfully believe or know what is and or should be so matters not politically -what matters politically is building consensus -winning people over. As such, one must engage -- and in engaging sharpen their skills... It does not matter how right one is if no one knows it...

11 posted on 06/08/2006 1:39:49 PM PDT by DBeers ()
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To: DBeers

The United States Senate was forced to take steps to definitively define marriage by just a few half-baked judges. Calling a same-sex couple "married" is like calling asparagus broccoli.

In the eyes of God, there is only one kind of marriage, and God will not be mocked.


12 posted on 06/08/2006 1:44:44 PM PDT by andonte
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To: So Cal Rocket

Ah, I was just about to post that link. Now I don't have to, thanks.

Vote Laffey or contribute to Laffey if you cannot vote. Send a signal to RINO's that there is a point even they cannot be forgiven.

BTW, somewhat in keeping with the social conservative aspect of the story....Remember the vote to ban abortion in South Dakota everyone was buzzing about a few months ago?

http://argusleader.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20060608/COLUMNISTS0102/606080320/1131

"It was a given that anti-abortion forces won the headline victories, with Republican voters defeating four of their own senators - all who opposed the abortion ban HB1215."

Looks like a repeat of the Penn primaries when they ousted their legislators over the pay raise. These voters ousted the legislators that didn't vote for the ban. Yeah, I know not everyone is a social conservative on the board, but Republicans in S.D. are overwhelmingly so. Their legislators defied them, and they paid the price.

I'd state it's official. The Conservative crackdown is in full swing and RINO's are losing more representatives then they are winning. Even Arnold lost his preferred candidate in the primaries in Cali. Getting Chafee's head, though, would be a real coup.



13 posted on 06/08/2006 1:44:57 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Deport the United States Senate)
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To: DBeers
I'm going to take this opportunity to thank you for keeping this ping list going. The homosex onslaught is everywhere, and sometimes I just get worn out by it all. The articles presented here on FR on this topic keep this issue right on the front burner. Those people are the underlings of the feminists and it is necessary to be reminded. After all, by the time my grandson is in 5th grade, he will probably be taking a required class in homosexual debauchery...unless the homosex agenda is stopped. That is what you and your fellow FReepers are doing, slogging through that vile material while the rest of us avert our eyes.

Someone put up the Macy's windows story early yesterday morning. I called Macy's and asked why they had male mannequins with breasts in their window. And sorry, but I don't shop where the "firm young boy flesh" bloodsuckers hang out and are "celebrated". And take a look at my account and see what I'm spending in your overpriced stores, and all of my children have accounts, too. I didn't e-mail. I called. So much more effective.

The display has been taken down, so I think that quite a few Macy's shoppers gave them a call. Mumbles Menino called the callers (shoppers actually!) a "fringe element". I JUST LOVE THAT!!

Again, thanks for doing this, if I had not seen the article, I'd have never known. That is what these perverts are counting on...
14 posted on 06/08/2006 1:45:51 PM PDT by ishabibble
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To: So Cal Rocket

I've never contributed to the DNC, there were always better candidates (Helms, Reagan, Hatch, Laxalt) and there are (Hunter, Van Taylor, John Kline) today.


15 posted on 06/08/2006 1:57:47 PM PDT by Reagan 76
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To: ishabibble
Thank you for your thanks.

:-)

16 posted on 06/08/2006 2:07:35 PM PDT by DBeers ()
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To: So Cal Rocket
"The best bet to replace Chafee is to defeat him in the primary...

I dont have a vote in this election (I'm in California), I do have some money to help defeat Chafee... I've given money to Steve Laffey's campaign (money I saved by not giving to the RNC or RSNC this year).

Absolutely, right on!

It is exactly what I have been advocating (and practicing) for all of our frustrated Conservative brothers and sisters.

We don't have to sit out this upcoming election and we CAN retain control of Congress, while at the same time, work toward the replacement of RINOS with other "right-thinking" Republicans who are true conservatives.

17 posted on 06/08/2006 3:12:54 PM PDT by namvet66 (Beam me up Scotty!!)
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To: So Cal Rocket

Rhode Islander here - I fully plan on voting for Laffey in the primary. To be honest, I've got a few reservations about Laffey, but I'm thinking of it not as voting for him, but voting against Chafee.

If Laffey loses the primary (which unfortunately is more likely than not), I'll be writing in the Pope on the ballot.


18 posted on 06/08/2006 3:45:33 PM PDT by Ursine_East_Facing_North
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To: Ursine_East_Facing_North

If Chafee wins the Primary, vote for the Donk in November... Chafee votes like a Donk, and will probably switch parties anyway if it would make a difference in who controls the Senate (a la Jim Jeffords). We have to get Chafee out of the Senate... in a few years he'll have enough senority to start chairing committees, which is unacceptable.


19 posted on 06/08/2006 3:55:54 PM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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To: DBeers
Give the gays something. Maybe call a committed gay union "garriage" with its own rules, regulations, divorce laws, income tax consequences, community property, etc. But don't call it marriage!
20 posted on 06/08/2006 4:06:44 PM PDT by dr huer
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To: DBeers
And I thank you for all your hard work. I, for one, am not so much interested in the individual homosexual. I am concerned about the threat to our schools, churches, kids and culture. That is why I take notice of this issue.

The old movie "Omega Man" keeps coming to mind.

21 posted on 06/08/2006 4:22:05 PM PDT by Paine's Ghost (Luv struck for Ann)
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To: DBeers

This vote is very illustrative of how 100 loud-mouthed lesbians and queers trump the extremely vast majority opinion of a nation.


22 posted on 06/08/2006 4:40:34 PM PDT by rvoitier ("And if talk is cheap anywhere, perhaps it is cheapest, quite frankly, in the Congress." Vitter(R-La)
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To: Disturbin
The Lady Ann said that Chaffee is so stupid that he doesn't realise he's a Democrat.

Difficult to top that particular insult.

Regards, Ivan

23 posted on 06/08/2006 4:42:12 PM PDT by MadIvan (I aim to misbehave.)
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To: rvoitier
This vote is very illustrative of how 100 loud-mouthed lesbians and queers trump the extremely vast majority opinion of a nation.

Alabama's marriage amendment just passed with a whopping eighty-one percent. The percentage for the nineteen other states averages between 2/3 and 3/4 of voters (the high being eighty-six, the low being fifty-nine).

Perhaps we can just blame it on Rush LimBOW and FOX News. No, wait, it's still Bush's fault.
24 posted on 06/08/2006 5:22:18 PM PDT by Das Outsider (Since I don't know the answer, go to a website.)
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To: DBeers

I refuse to believe that voting for Chafee, or any other RINO of such distinction, benefits the conservative movement. Yes, I shudder to think of Democrats holding the Senate, but as Miss Coulter said, Chafee may be so dumb that he doesn't realize he is a Democrat. Experience would tend to confirm this, would it not?


25 posted on 06/08/2006 5:29:16 PM PDT by Das Outsider (Since I don't know the answer, go to a website.)
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To: Das Outsider

If the Senate is 50-50 after the next election, and Chafee is re-elected, I fully expect him to pull a Jeffords and change parties... he has hinted about this in the past. He won't jump now because it doesn't work to his advantage.

Alternatively, if the Donks take over the White House in '08, and the Senate is 51 GOP and 49 Donk, Chafee will jump ship then, too.



26 posted on 06/09/2006 7:31:16 AM PDT by So Cal Rocket (Proud Member: Internet Pajama Wearers for Truth)
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