Skip to comments.California congressman (Rep. Dana Rohrabacher) to hold hearings on Oklahoma City bombing
Posted on 06/08/2006 5:51:22 PM PDT by NormsRevenge
A California congressman said Thursday a House subcommittee will investigate whether there was a foreign connection to the 1995 bombing of the Oklahoma City federal building.
Rep. Dana Rohrabacher, R-Calif., chairman of the Oversight and Investigations Subcommittee of the International Relations Committee, said his committee's investigation will focus on whether those responsible for the Oklahoma City bombing had help from a foreign source.
"We need to answer some very serious questions in order to have confidence that the truth of this monstrous crime is fully known," Rohrabacher, who has conducted an extensive personal inquiry into the bombing, said in a statement.
Plans for the hearing, likely to be held in September, were first reported by the McCurtain Daily Gazette.
Timothy McVeigh was put to death in 2001 for the April 19, 1995, bombing that killed 168 people and injured more than 800 others. His co-defendant, Terry Nichols, is serving state and federal life prison sentences.
Rohrabacher met with Nichols for about two hours last year at a federal prison in Colorado where Nichols admitted helping McVeigh but did not identify anyone else, Rohrabacher said. He said at the time Nichols' statements did not warrant a congressional hearing.
Theories have persisted that other suspects not officially identified, including a group of white supremacist bank robbers with ties to Elohim City, may have played a role in the bombing.
A judge in Nichols' 2004 state murder trial ruled there was no substance to defense allegations that McVeigh had links to the bank robbers or other unidentified suspects.
Not sure I can get my hopes up again on this one.
Jayna Davis and her witnesses must testify or this will be just another cover-up.
I worry that there are too many dirty hands on both sides of the aisle in DC to get far with this.
He should investigate the federal govt's massacre of U.S. citizens at Waco.
TWA 800 also? I wager the Administration back burners this one, besides these dog and pony congressional hearings are little more than a glorified H.S. debate forum.
Bush has also made a point of disallowing highlighting of
Clintons skeletons, after all Bill and GW Senior are buddies.
WOW!! About time! The good news just keeps coming. Maybe we can get them to look into TWA 800 too.
I just left a message for Jayna. Let's see what is really happening here.
Rohrabacher is in my area, though not my congressman. I do not believe he would be party to a 9/11 Commission type cover up.
And while he is at it, I hope someone will explain how Jose Padilla's sketch wound up as Suspect #2 right after the OKC bombing. Recently, I saw some video of Padilla (the "dirty bomber" that they arrested in Chicago, I believe)and was struck again by the dead-on drawing that was handed out by the FBI in OKC...and then mysteriously dropped. This entire thing is still a murky part of Billy Jeff's corrupt legacy, and I glad someone more zealous to find the truth than the pathetic Danforth is looking into it at last.
Should start with trying to find out the names of "those responsible." Next try to find out whether "those responsible" had help from a domestic or foreign source. Maybe something will come of this but I'm not holding my breath.
Isn't Terry Nichols wife's last name, Padilla also????
As a former California YAF member, I distributed flyers door to door for Dana's first congressional campaign. (That was a LONG time ago.) I always thought of him as a straight shooter.
Terry Nichols has a Filipino wife. If he is a white supremacist, he is not very good at it.
I'm thinkin' if he's a straigt shooter, the first thing he'll do is get ahold of the video tapes that were immediately confiscated by the feds...
It is....It has been investigated and I dont think any connection was ever made..!
My office is two blocks from the bomb site. I sure hope we can finally get the truth out about that horrible day.
I will NEVER believe that those two acted alone.
Jayna's work is a big part of why Dana is putting this together! I shall follow this one, taping every minute that's aired. IMHO, Padilla is now about to be revealed in his clinton era connections to Iraq's Saddam and al Qaeda.
I read an FR post some months ago, by someone in touch with Jayna, that Rohrabacher is intending to ignore Jayna Davis' information and will concentrate on links to far-right groups.
If so, this will be a huge mistake. The connections of Nichols to the Philippines, possibly Abu-Sayf, and potentially the mastermind behind the first WTC bombing in 1993... Ramsi Yousef, are impossible to ignore!!
Nichols Philippine wife was probably a cover to have an excuse to travel there.....I have read that there is evidence her family had ties to abu-sayf and Yousef.
I wrote Rohrabacher's office several months ago to urge he follow this line of inquiry - no replys of course.
I'll try again to reach Jayna tomorrow. The article says he is looking at foreign connections.
I was just thinking about Oklahoma City today, and wonder....Did McVeigh or Nichols ever say WHY they bombed that building?......
Our government has no desire to let the truth out about this. Just like the select committee on assassinations that the House did back in the 70's, this one will be manhandled into obscurity.
I love my country, but I despise this government.
You sent me many a ping on OKC...didn't see you listed on this info yet...
Because of the easy drive-up curbside access from the street - is what I *heard* from OKC friends.
I know firsthand that at least one other federal building was "looked at," here in Houston, but I believe they had plans and photos of numerous others and decided on OKC.
He's learned to slip & slide a bit here and there over the years, but I think of him the same way.
thanks for the heads up.
DOMESTIC TERRORISM ALERT. Please let me know by freepmail if you want to be put on or taken off this list. Thanks.
Then it is to put it under the rug.
Who determined that the teargas ought to be lobbed into a building filled with women and children?
I wonder if something big came up in this recent investigation of the jihadists in Canada and their international connections?? They were planning 3 truck-bombings of the same size as OKC - did they have a bomb formula and/or other logistical support that allowed investigators to make any connection with OKC?? I wondered about that the moment I read that they were trying to do the ammonium nitrate bombs, and then this announcement comes out from Rohrbacher. Could be mere coincidence, or....?
I sure hope the committee brings out all of the Jayna Davis info and really pushes Director Mueller and others to scour the FBI for info that was overlooked and/or suppressed under the Gorelicker/Reno/Clinton debacle.
Thanks for the ping, overtaxt.
I'm hoping for the best, but not holding my breath.
Doug, bless you and especially Jayna for tirelessly trying to get responsible officials to do their duty on this atrocity. I'm an incorrigable optimist, and will continue to hope the truth finally comes out on the OKC bombing. The realist in me tho, knowing the circle-the-wagons mentality of the beltway 435, thinks he smells the whiff of a coverup.
Thanks for the ping.
Jayna is not pleased with Rohrabacher --- http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1646632/posts
I hope this will be a straight up deal.It would REALLY make me sick to have Dana screw the american people with a sham
Why do they even bother with these sham investigations? What the heck are they trying to prove? Don't they know that WE know about the stolen FBI files?
More importantly, who the hell do they think is STOOPID enough to believe their true motivation is to "investigate?" I mean, c'mon. We're in NO mood for this crap again. And that's exactly what it is -- a big, stinking, waist-high pile of Texas longhorn cow *#%#!
They're flippin' idiots - the whole lot of them. Specter, Rohrabacher... ALL of them. I would believe they would "investigate" Amelia Earhart before they would investigate Hussain Alhussaini, Iraqi agents, the non-existent Teg Security, or anything ELSE within 10,000 miles of Oklahoma City.
I gotta get off this thread before I lose all semblance of ladylike behavior and decor that I may have left after this reply.
Do you mind taking me off your OKC ping list? I would really appreciate it.
I'm so mad at these idiots I can't even read. lol!
Okay, I'll send you a private message. No hurry. Just whenever you get to it.
Have you seen this? I hope he's smart enough to invite Jayna Davis to testify; I know at one time that was in the works.
Well dam* him. She must be quite discouraged; I know that I am.
What a difference a decade makes! Bring on Jayna Davis...
Dana Rohrabachers Troubling Friends
By Kenneth R. Timmerman
FrontPageMagazine.com | January 26, 2004
Top Jewish Republicans who have supported Congressman Dana Rohrabacher (R-CA) for decades said in interviews that they have serious concerns with the California Republicans ties to radical Muslim groups and their foreign backers, and his outspoken efforts to champion their cause in Congress.
Before 9-11, Danas views seemed idiosyncratic, said Arnold Steinberg, a political consultant whose ties to Rohrabacher go back to Youth for Goldwater in 1964. We rationalized that he wasnt fully informed or had a blind spot to the Islamists, who were contributing to his re-election campaigns, hanging around his office, and sponsoring trips by Rohrabacher and his staff to the Arab Middle East.
Rohrabacher seemingly paid back those contributors by an even-handed approach toward the Israeli-Arab conflict, a key demand of influential Muslim backers. Even-handed is a code-word used by radical Muslim groups, such as the American Muslim Council (AMC) and the Council on American-Islamic Relations (CAIR), to signify support for the Palestinian cause, including Hamas, and angry condemnation of Israel as a terrorist state.
After 9-11, Rohrabachers views and public actions took on a more sinister appearance, as radical Muslim groups began to count on him increasingly as support for their positions dwindled in Congress.
In a heated May 2, 2002 exchange with conservative talk show host Alan Keyes, for instance, Rohrabacher insisted that [Israeli Prime Minister Ariel] Sharon and [Palestinian Authority President Yasser] Arafat are cut out of the same cloth and claimed that theres been acts of terrorism committed against the Palestinian people as well, statements that made Keyes audibly gasp.
When challenged, Rohrabacher claimed that targeting civilians was standard operating procedure of the Israeli army for years of occupation, when in fact the Israelis have consistently sought to spare civilians even at the price of the lives of their own soldiers, as was the case during the April 2002 battle of Jenin. Challenged a second time by Keyes, who called his comments outrageously objectionable, Rohrabacher reiterated his belief that both sides have committed terrorism.
Rohrabacher was one of four Republicans and seventeen Democrats who voted no to a May 2, 2002 Congressional resolution (HR 392) that expressed support for Israel as it faced a wave of terrorist attacks that killed more than 600 civilians. The resolution, which radical American Muslim groups lobbied against unsuccessfully, also stated that the United States and Israel are now engaged in a common struggle against terrorism.
Voting with Rohrabacher against the resolution were Democrats such as Cynthia McKinney, Jesse Jackson, Jr. (Ill), Barbara Lee (CA), Peter Defazio (Or), and Michigan Representatives John Conyers, David Bonior, and John Dingell, all of whom have taken campaign cash from donors who have publicly supported Hamas and other terrorist organizations. Dana has allied himself with the anti-American left-wing thugs that we always opposed, said Steinberg.
Some of Rohbachers Muslim donors are currently in federal prison awaiting trial on terrorism-related charges.
Steinberg is just one of a closely-knit group of Rohrbacher friends and supporters who have been trying over the past eighteen months to get the California libertarian to open himself up to other viewpoints. For years, these supporters - many of whom asked not to be cited by name for this article - have urged Rohrabacher to travel to Israel. When he complained that no one would sponsor the trip, they offered to pay his travel expenses, but again he refused.
He was a journalist for years, he was in the White House, he was a member of congress since 1988, one donor said. Somehow, he never went to Israel, despite trips all over the world, and especially to Arab countries. Rohrabacher finally traveled to Israel and the Palestinian territories as part of a three-day Congressional delegation in 2003.
Dana has a very antagonist attitude toward Ariel Sharon, says long-time supporter Howard Klein, a member of the influential Lincoln Club of Orange county Republicans. But it goes much deeper than that. He doesnt understand the strategic or moral imperatives in the U.S. alliance with Israel and the forces that want to drive Israel to extinction.
Rohrabacher refused to answer questions for this article, on the grounds that the publisher of Frontpagemag.com, David Horowitz, has been actively involved in trying to recruit someone to run against him in the Republican primary, a spokesman said. But an aid who accompanied him on the trip to Israel insisted that Rohrabacher spoke the same language to Israeli and Palestinian leaders, infuriating them both.
In Ramallah, he told [Palestinian security chief] Mohammad Dahlan that the Palestinians had to give up the right of return, the aid said, referring to a long-held PLO position that insists on including Palestinian refugees from the 1948 war in a final settlement by allowing them to return to the properties they abandoned more than fifty years ago. In Israel, he told the Foreign Minister that Israel would have to give up the settlements.
Rohrabacher aids insisted that the American-Israeli Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), which regularly sponsors congressional fact-finding missions to Israel, never offered to take Rohrabacher along.
But an official at AIPACs legislative affairs department gave a more nuanced account. Weve offered repeatedly to take Rohrabacher to Israel, but he always had a scheduling conflict. The one time Rohrabacher asked AIPAC to sponsor him was to make a trip during the Easter recess. That happens to fall during the Jewish Passover, when nobody is around you can talk to, the AIPAC official said. We dont do Israel trips over Passover.
Dana thinks Israel is a rogue state, another supporter complained. To our regret, he is turning into the Paul Findley of our times and has become a mouthpiece for extremist views. Former Illinois Congressman Findley has been lionized by radical Muslim groups for denouncing AIPAC lobbying efforts in Congress.
Shawn Steele, a recent chairman of the California Republican Party, counts himself as a long-time Rohrabacher supporter. Dana is my best friend, and Im deeply involved with his re-election campaign, but I have been unhappy with some of his utterances.
While he was serving as state Republican Party chairman, Steele proudly opened the Party to local Muslims. Recently, however, he ran afoul of the Council on American Islamic Relations (CAIR) when he told a support the troops rally sponsored by the University of Southern California chapter of College Republicans that the Muslim community has a cancer growing within it, which hates Jews, hates freedom, and hates Western society.
Following that speech, Steele says he was barraged with hate mail from CAIR supporters, and was ultimately sued by a top CAIR official in California. The officials suit was dismissed by Orange County Superior Court last December.
Steele believes that Rohrabacher is in the process of changing his views, and has been dismayed with the lack of support for the U.S. mission in Iraq among his Muslim friends.
Foremost among those friends is Khaled Saffuri, a former government affairs director of the American Muslim Council who has coordinated contributions to Rohrabachers re-election campaigns from Muslim donors, some of whom today are in federal prison on terrorism-related charges.
While at AMC, Saffuri worked under AMC Executive Director Abdulrahman Alamoudi, who was jailed last October on charges of illegally laundering money from the Libyan government. At a September 2000 rally in Lafayette Park in front of the White House, Alamoudi led followers in chanting their support for Hamas and Lebanons Hezbollah, both of which are considered as international terrorist organizations by the U.S. government.
As AMCs chief Washington lobbyist from 1995-1998, Saffuri worked to organize AMC members and contributors into an effective political force. Besides $10,400 in direct contributions he made to Rohrabachers re-election campaigns, he helped raise another $24,000 for in direct contributions to Rohrabachers campaign war chest from AMC members and sympathizers, according to publicly-available Federal Election Commission records compiled for this article.
Born to Palestinian parents, Saffuri has made a career in Washington, DC of putting a moderate face onto radical Islamic causes while mixing with a Wahhabi-inspired network of donors who include Alamoudi and former University of South Florida teacher Sami Al-Arian, who was jailed on Feb. 20, 2003 for his alleged involvement in the leadership of Palestinian Islamic Jihad, an outlawed terrorist group.
Even more disturbing are Saffuris ties to Jamal Barzinji, the head of a group of Muslim charities that has been targeted by a joint U.S. government task force investigating terrorist-related fund-raising in the United States, revealed here for the first time.
The charities, which include the Safa Group, SAAR, and Barzinjis Marjac group of investment companies, are sometimes referred to by federal prosecutors as 555 Grove street, the address they shared in suburban Herndon, Virginia.
Organizations tied to Safa Group that were raided by the Greenquest task force on March 20, 2002 include the International Islamic Relief Organization (IIRO), the World Assembly of Muslim Youth (WAMY), and al-Haramain, all of which have been linked by prosecutors to al-Qaeda.
A lawyer representing the Safa Group, Nancy Luqué, insists that her clients have not been charged with any crime. But a previously-sealed affidavit that lays out the governments motives for the massive raid alleges that Barjinzi and the Safa Group companies were suspected of providing material support to terrorists, money laundering, and tax evasion through the use of a variety of for-profit companies and ostensible charitable entities under their control, most of which are located at 555 Grove Street, Herndon, Virginia.
Saffuri collected contributions from Barjinzi and thirteen other individuals who listed their occupation as officers or employees of Safa Group companies for a political action committee he established in April 1993, known as National Muslims for a Better America (NMBA).
For the five years of its official existence, which overlapped Saffuris stint as Government Affairs director for the AMC, NMBA shared offices with the AMC at 1212 New York Avenue, Suite 400. That was the same address listed by Abdulrahman Alamoudi in his contributions to NMBA.
Among the contributors to Saffuris AMC-sponsored PAC:
Hisham Al-Talib, who lists his employer alternately as the SAAR Foundation and Marjac Investment Group, the private company controlled by Barzinji.
Muhammad Ashraf, an officer and/or director of Safa Group companies including Sterling Investment Group, Sterling Charitable Gift Fund, and York Foundation, according to the governments affidavit. Ashrafs residence at 12528 Rock Ridge Road in Herndon was one of the locations searched during the March 2002 raid.
Mohammad Jaglit, a SAAR Foundation director consided by federal investigators as a key figure in the terror-support networks whose residence was also raided. The affidavit cites Jaglit as an active supporter of [Sami] Al-Arian and [Palestinian Islamic Jihad], both ideologically and financially, and notes that letters accompanying checks he sent Al-Arian from the SAAR Foundation instructed Al-Arian not to disclose the contribution publicly or to the media.
Yaquib Mirza, a Pakistani national considered to be the financial wizard of the Safa/SAAR network.
Basheer Nafi, identified as the US agent of [Palestinian Islamic Jihad] in the affidavit
Iqbal Unus, a director of Safa Group companies including Child Development Foundation, whose Herndon, Va residence was raided.
During the entire period the AMCs PAC operated, from 1993-1998, Saffuri was listed as its Treasurer. Altogether, he raised just over $28,000 for the AMC-sponsored PAC and distributed it to members of Congress including Rohrabacher and Democrats Cynthia McKinney, David Bonior, John Conyers, Bill Richardson, James Traficant, Peter Defazio, and Nick Rahall.
Saffuri dissolved NMBA in May 1998. Since leaving the AMC, he has severed public ties with his former friends and colleagues, joining forces instead with conservative activist Grover Norquist, president of Americans for Tax Reform.
Together with Norquist, he established the Islamic Institute in 1998 with seed money provided in part by donors in Saudi Arabia and by the Government of Qatar.
During the 2000 election campaign, Saffuri became the head of Muslim Outreach for the Bush-Cheney campaign, and orchestrated a meeting between Governor George W. Bush and Al-Arian during a campaign stopover in south Florida.
Since then, Saffuri and Norquist have helped set up meetings in the Oval Office with the president for AMC and CAIR leaders. White House officials have acknowledged that Alamoudi attended at least one of these sessions with the president.
Saffuri and Norquist have also set up meetings for leaders of radical Muslim groups with FBI Director Robert Mueller and with Attorney General John Ashcroft, to urge the Bush administration to abandon the USA Patriot Act. Government records disclosed in affidavits supporting the arrests of Al-Arian and Alamoudi show that the Justice Department has long sought to dismantle alleged terrorist-support networks operating in the United States, but lacked the legal tools for successful prosecution until the USA Patriot Act became law in 2002.
Rohrabacher voted for the USA Patriot Act in its original form in 2002, but also voted for amendments putting restrictions of government investigative powers that passed Congress overwhelmingly last year.
Rohrabacher friends and colleagues believe that Norquist initially introduced Rohrabacher to Saffuri. They point to the Congressmans long-standing ties to Norquist, which go back at least as early as the mid-1980s, when they worked together to build support for anti-Communist insurgencies in Afghanistan, Angola, Cambodia and Nicaragua.
Grover has led a lot of people astray in recent years, one Rohrabacher colleague said. Saffuri would always call Danas office whenever he was doing an event, just as any lobbyist would do. He was well-schooled by Grover on how to be a politicians buddy.
Rohrabacher friends and backers in California discounted the campaign contributions from radical Muslim groups and their supporters documented here - $34,450 over a ten year period - as insignificant. Dana cant be bought, one long-time friend confided. What you are seeing here is a commonality of interest, not someone who has been bought. Dana is a lazy fund-raiser who has gotten used to running in a safe district.
But Frank Gaffney, whose 11,000 word expose of Norquists ties to radical Islamic groups was published by frontpagemag.com in December, believes the apparently small amounts of money contributed by Saffuri and the Safa Group donors to Rohrabacher is misleading. We tend to underestimate how much influence $2,000 can buy you. It means you are a maximum-level donor, so you get on the guys radar screen. I worry that Danas poor judgment has given rise to openings to people who shouldnt have access to members of Congress, Gaffney said.
He was not the only source who warned of a classic influence operation.
Key to understanding Rohrabachers ties to radical Islamic groups and the causes they espouse are several trips Rohrabacher has made to Qatar, paid for by the Islamic Institute and the Government of Qatar, according to Rohrabachers financial disclosure forms.
Coordinated in part with the Heritage Foundation, the conferences ostensibly focused on promoting free market economics in the Arab and Muslim world.
During the April 2001 trip, however just months before the 9-11 attacks - Rohrabacher met privately with Taliban Foreign Minister Mullah Wakil Ahmed Muttawakil. Wakil on the fringes of the conference, which Norquist and Saffuri also attended.
Wakil reportedly asked Rohrabacher to lobby the Bush administration for an increase in foreign aid to Afghanistan, apparently in exchange for a Taliban pledge to allow U.S. oil company UNOCAL to build a pipeline to bring oil from land-locked Central Asia to Pakistan and India. The pipeline project, as well as political support for the Taliban, were earlier championed by the Clinton administration.
Secretary of State Madeline Albright met with top Taliban leaders during a visit to Pakistan in November 1997, and U.S. ambassador to the United Nations Bill Richardson went to Kabul in April 1998, just three months before Bin Laden operatives blew up U.S. embassies in Kenya and Tanzania, killing more than 200 civilians.
According to an AFP account of the Rohrabacher-Taliban meeting, Saffuri told an Al Jazeera reporter that "The position of the Taliban was flexible on most of the issues and the Afghan delegation showed itself to be ready for dialogue."
The Taliban later announced in Kabul that it had rejected what it considered were unreasonable demands by the U.S. side. Rohrabachers staff would not answer questions about the Taliban talks.
Norquist tried to downplay Rohrabachers meeting with the Taliban when asked about it by liberal columnist Josh Michael. "Dana ran into some guy who was a representative of the Afghan government, and since he [Rohrabacher] had worked in Afghanistan he sat down and talked to the guy. They literally met in the hallway. I just remembered Dana mentioning that he ran into these guys ... and he yelled at them about blowing up the Buddhist statues."
Rohrabachers Democratic opponent in 2002, Gerry Schipske, tried to make a political issue of the meeting by accusing Rohrabacher of meeting secretly with the Taliban in violation of the Logan act, which prohibits private individuals from conducting foreign policy in the name of the United States.
But Rohrabacher never concealed the meeting, and indeed, told wire service reporters who were present in Doha at the time that he had discussed a peace plan with the Taliban.
Rohrabacher was quoted in the November/December 1996 issue of the Washington Report on Middle East Affairs, a pro-Muslim broadsheet, as calling the Taliban devout traditionalists not terrorists or revolutionaries.
While Rohrabachers judgment on the Taliban which he has since reversed coincided with the policies of the Clinton administration at the time, it also fit nicely with the views of the Qatari and Saudi governments, who along with Pakistan and the United Arab Emirates were the sole international supporters of the Taliban.
Dana was more naïve and more loyal than he should have been when he agreed to April 2001 meeting, a former colleague said. He listened to Saffuri and he shouldnt have. Qatar is the influence-peddling center of the Middle East, and Dana fell right into the trap they set for him.
Kenneth Timmerman is author of Preachers of Hate: Islam and the War on America and a senior writer for Insight Magazine.