Bolton rejects ‘grand bargain’ with Iran

Financial Times (UK) ^ | 09JUN06 | Daniel Dombey

[burzum]

If Iran can't get the message when we've taken over two terrorist supporting countries on their borders, they won't get the message from us pounding Syria.

[Hoosier-Daddy]

Hear Hear. Bolton is impressive, though.

[tlj18]

Unfortunately, Bolton will be gone from the UN in 7 months unless the Republicans can pull off a miracle and increase their majority in the Senate.

[operation clinton cleanup]

Who would be the replacement, Dennis (Peace Department) Kucinich?

[PhilipFreneau]

>>>That would smoke the servers over at Kos and DU. I'd like to float the rumor just to see their reactions.<<<

LOL. Go for it. Bolton would straighten this country out quickly. He is a patriot, not a politician.

[StJacques]

I do appreciate your sentiments, but I doubt world opinion would do anything but condemn us in even more vociferous terms if we turned on Syria to convince Iran we're serious. We've gone to the UN, we've attempted to make the process work and if the process proves worthless we can tell the rest of the world that we tried to work within the framework established to handle these kinds of disputes.

And part of my thinking in what I posted is that I do not expect Israel to sit quietly and do nothing while Iran builds a nuclear weapons program. One top mullah in Iran stated a couple of years ago that the weapons would be used against Israel, Ahmadinejad has stated publicly that Israel "should be wiped off the map," and there is already a long history of Iranian support for Hezbollah and Hamas to drive the point home to the Israelis that the Iranian leadership means what they say. Does anyone really think the Israelis don't believe the Iranians?

I also fear the possibility that innocent Iranians will suffer if it comes to our exercising the nuclear option, but at some point a nation's people has to be held accountable for the leaders who run their country, even if those leaders maintain control by extra-democratic means.

[garbageseeker]

Why are we bargaining with Iran? The longer the delay, brings them closer to the bomb.Its crazy.

[Tiberius109]

"a new package of incentives to Iran, which would give the Islamic republic help in a number of areas, including in constructing nuclear reactors."
Am I missing something here ? we want them to abandon their nuclear intentions so we offr them help with constructing nuclear reactors?????????????????
I'm lost here.............

[RobbyS]

Why talk about a nuclear option? Conventional bombing is now capable of a level of destruction that no one dreamed of during the Vietnamese War.

[familyop]

"Why are we bargaining with Iran? The longer the delay, brings them closer to the bomb.Its crazy."

Here's my opinion on the situation.

It's drama for the purpose of convincing certain nihilistic, nay-saying, appeasing countries that do much trade with Iran and have wanted to see Israel destroyed since, at the latest, the 1940s. The governments of those countries are now being allowed to exhaust attempts at their desires by being fronted as negotiators.

The play is nearly finished. There will soon be sanctions by some (not all) countries and a blockade (to enforce those sanctions), then the eventual destruction of Iran's military. Our President said that Iran will not be allowed to have nuclear weapons.

Our offense and defense weapons and personnel are far more accurate in many ways than they were in the past.

The first air missions will be virtually (that is, for all practical purposes) done and successful before we know about them. Military communications, radars, defense weapons and nuclear facilities will be destroyed. Some Persian assets (our assets) might even call/mark targets. The Iranian ground forces will be cut into leaderless, small pieces. If scattered enemy military individuals seek to hide in the mountains, they will be allowed to do so until thirst, hunger and disease catches up with them. Meanwhile, Iran will get a new and enthusiastic government that has already been planned to the person.

[garbageseeker]

I do Agree.

But I think that the Israelis should do it. No by using pilots but by using their Jericho-1 and Jericho-2 missiles, nuclear tipped,on nuclear and command and control facilities.

[familyop]

I agree in that we are rather soft these days. Avoidance of civilian casualties has its benefits, though (lower intensity conflict tactics resulting in using fewer troops, for one).

Here's a relevant other post. There's a reason for public disclosure of the general Taiwan plan (but not a specific plan, of course). I've joked good naturedly, at times, about our Navy (having been Army myself). But our Navy is nothing for foreign forces to even try messing with, even if all possible antagonists were to try a syncronized attack against it.

US plan for defending Taiwan disclosed
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1646697/posts

[familyop]

Oh, and BTW, Israel is helping (publicized reports of Israel intel). And my guess is that Israel will surely be putting a lot of money and materiel into the tougher part of the job later. ...only my guess, but we'll wait and see to be sure.

Remember the Iranian leaders' threats to destroy Israel, related other comments on their part, and lack of western European concern for Israel.

Calls by many of our own for leaving Israel to the Islamo-fascist dogs will also contribute to letting Israel shove enormous amounts of ordnance down the new fascist sites. That and western Europe's absence of assistance in Iran should answer the question of alliances.

[garbageseeker]

Thanks for the info!! Its always great to chat with you.

[TheCrusader]

"There are millions of Iranians that like and respect Americans, and we would be making serious mistake in harming these good folks."

This sounds like a terrorist's fighting plan, take pot shots at U.S. troops while standing directly behind innocent women and children that they know U.S. troops won't fire on. I think it's time to stop this ridiculous thinking and get on with the war.

Harry Truman was a liberal Democrat, but he had the brains and good sense to realize that killing innocent Japanese meant saving the lives of innocent Americans. Bush should come to the same conclusion soon, before it's too late and Iran is holding the entire world hostage with its nuclear arsenal.

[taxesareforever]

Hey Iran, the U.S. is getting itchy fingers. You remember those 500 pounders? He heee.

[Rutles4Ever]

I'd give it a 20% chance of a pre-emptive strike about mid-Novembet.

I'd give it a 50% chance of a pre-emptive strike next Spring.

[Rutles4Ever]

November.

[StJacques]

I'd rate the odds as follows:

85% that the UN and International Community will NOT convince the Iranians to accept a deal.

If that 85% probability plays out:

10% that we strike the Iranians ourselves before January 1, 2007. Bush probably doesn't want this as a part of the State of the Union, even though Israel will be very anxious.

60% that we strike them in the Spring.

25% the Israelis strike them -- whenever.

5% the Iranians are left alone to develop nuclear weapons.

[Rutles4Ever]

That sounds about right.