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Battered Conservative Syndrome: Defending Ann Coulter [Big Lizard: BEST defense of GODLESS yet!]
BigLizards.net ^ | June 9, 2006 | Hatched by Dafydd

Posted on 06/10/2006 7:55:08 PM PDT by RonDog

June 09, 2006

Battered Conservative Syndrome: Defending Ann
Hatched by Dafydd
All right, folks; put on your manly gowns, gird up your loins, and go tell the Spartans: I'm about to defend Ann Coulter. And not by sweeping her words under the rug and blubbering "but she's a good girl in spite of the horrid things she says!"

No no, not Big Lizards style. I defend the very words she used and bat the ball right back across thet net at the liberals and their conservative "enablers."

But first, let's jump in the wayback machine and speed back through the ages to 1991. Connie Chung had just had her special on breast cancer the year earlier, in which she first floated the meme -- with never a shred of scientific evidence -- that silicone breast implants cause breast cancer.

Huh?

Oh just read on, for heaven's sake.

We are the evidence!

In 1991, Oprah Winfrey had a show on the topic, and she invited a spokesman from Dow Corning, against which the anti-breast-implant mob had already begun to file the thousands of lawsuits that were to drive the company into bankruptcy just a few years later. What Oprah did not tell the spokesman was that the entire audience had been packed with women who had gotten breast implants, gotten breast cancer, and believed with the fervor of the mad that the one caused the other.

This was the first time I encountered what, fifteen years later, Ann Coulter would call "the Left's doctrine of infallibility," "using their grief to make a political point while preventing anyone from responding." (The link is to a transcript of Coulter's appearance on the Today Show with Matt Lauer; tuck it away in your grey matter, we'll come back to it at the end of this post.)

The premise of these Oprah women was that, since they suffered from a terrible disease, therefore any pronouncement they made about its cause was not open to argument.

It made no difference what the Dow spokesman said; they could not care less about the scientific evidence he cited. He noted, as his basic point, that if silicone breast implants were in any way implicated in breast cancer, then the rate of such cancer among women who had silicone breast implants would necessarily have to be higher than among women who did not have them.

Any rational human being should be able to understand that much. You don't need a PhD in oncological research. If smoking is implicated in lung cancer, then smokers should have a higher rate of lung cancer than non-smokers... and by golly, they do; much higher. That is why no serious medical researcher in the last forty years has disputed the point: the statistical argument is unanswerable.

Curiously, however, women with silicone breast implants have an identical rate of breast cancer as women who have saline implants or women with no implants at all. There is no difference; a hundred studies have shown this, and not a single one has shown the opposite. This is almost irrefutable evidence that there is no connection.

When the Dow guy brought this out, the women responded by booing. One leapt to her feet and shouted, "nobody ever studied me! Why don't you study me?" And the mass cheered in response, just as they might have cheered a coherent argument.

Then, in a surreal display that brought to mind Franz Kafka (or George Orwell), they actually rose in near unison and began chanting "we are the evidence, we are the evidence!" Whenever the Dow spokesman tried to speak, he was shouted down. He was accused of not caring about them. Women stood and burst into tears, accused him of "harassment" because he dared to defend Dow Corning's product.

Thus the infallibility of grief in action: these women suffered a tragic loss -- and that immunizes their every pronouncement from response.

A decorated war veteran who lost three limbs in the Vietnam War

Flash forward a few years, to the 2002 senatorial re-election campaign of Sen. Max Cleland (D-GA) against Rep. Saxby Chambliss (R-GA).

During the election, Chambliss raised the issue that Cleland was too liberal for the state of Georgia; to make that point, Chambliss aired some hard-hitting ads saying that Cleland's policies -- in particular, his opposition to the creation of the Department of Homeland Security -- benefitted terrorists and dictators, like Osama bin Laden and Saddam Hussein. As the names were mentioned, the Chambliss ad showed brief images of their faces:

The ad says that Cleland does not have the "courage to lead" at a time when "America faces terrorists and extremist dictators." The evidence? Cleland voted against the president's version of the still-pending Homeland Security agency 11 times.

Now, the point is arguable; many Republicans didn't like the idea of the new department as well, calling it "just another layer of bureaucracy" and "shuffling boxes around the org chart." But Cleland did not try to argue it... instead, he and his surrogates in the antique media swiftly trotted out the point that he was a decorated Vietnam veteran who has lost three limbs:

Cleland, a decorated war veteran who lost three limbs in the Vietnam War, blasted the ad, accusing his GOP rival, Rep. C. Saxby Chambliss, of trying to wrest political advantage from the war on terrorism and the impending conflict with Iraq. "Accusing me of being soft on Homeland Security and Osama bin Laden is the most vicious exploitation of a national tragedy and attempt at character assassination I have ever witnessed," the senator said in a statement.

The infallibility of grief, take 2.

Of course, Cleland did not actually lose his legs and part of one arm "in the Vietnam War;" he lost them during the war, in a stupid accident: he was hopping out of a helicopter that was taking him and other soldiers on a "beer run," and a grenade slipped either from his own vest or someone else's. He bent over to pick it up, and it exploded. His grievous injuries were not attained in combat; and indeed, none of his decorations were for that incident (he, personally, never claimed they were; but he, personally, also never corrected the record when others claimed Cleland lost his limbs in combat).

The meme was launched, not just by the Washington Post but virtually every other newspaper, magazine, and television network: Saxby Chambliss, how dare you question the patriotism of a guy who lost three limbs?

The club of grief

The phenomenon Coulter describes is far more despicable than anything she has said in attacking it. "The infallibility of grief" is used to silence opposition by exploiting basic human decency.

Among con artists, there are two kinds: those who exploit human greed by tricking their marks into thinking they can con someone else (like the "dead millionaire Nigerian dicatator" spam) -- and those who exploit human pity by pretending to some tragedy that causes the decent to want to help them out (the classic "my rented baby is hungry, can you give me $5 for some baby food?" scam).

The latter are much more repulsive; if a greedy guy thinks he's scamming someone else and gets fleeced himself, who cares? He got what was coming to him. But to rip someone off by attacking his empathy and goodness not only punishes the victim for his goodness, it also makes him cynical -- and makes it that much harder for people who really are in trouble to get help. Once bitten, twice shy.

But those who practice the infallibility of grief scam are even worse

  • They affect the much larger arena of public policy via irrational appeals to emotion;

  • They twist tragedy for their own ends;

  • They pervert the deaths of their own loved ones (recall the funeral of Sen. Paul Wellstone);

  • And they create backlashes against those who really have suffered great tragedy, but have chosen not to use grief as a weapon... a backlash that is itself exploited by the "griefarazzi" as a weapon against the Right.

Coulter argues -- and I completely agree -- that by using their grief as a club to batter their opponents into silence, they have willfully and irrevocably forfeited the right ever again to use it as a shield.

"Mother" Sheehan (as she likes to be called, aping the religious without actually stooping to practice religion) has been relentless in retailing the death of her son Casey for political purposes wholly at odds with what he, himself believed. By using the doctrine of the infallibility of grief as an offensive weapon, she has forefeited any right to fall back on her grief when her politics are attacked.

So has Michael Berg, who has taken to the airwaves to argue that President Bush, not Musab Zarqawi, is responsible for the beheading of his son, Nick Berg. Look what Bush made Zarqawi do!

His only call for making such judgments is his certificate of authenticity as a man who suffered a terrible tragedy. Berg uses victimhood as a badge of authority to batter down any response under a sledge hammer of faux guilt: how dare you defend Bush against my attacks? I lost my son!

And now at last this brings us by a commodious vicus of recirculation back to Ann Coulter vs. the Jersey Girls.

Enjoying their husbands' deaths

Here is what Coulter wrote in her newest book, Godless, that has provoked such a fury of denunciation... not just from the left, but from the right as well:

These self-obsessed women seem genuinely unaware that 9-11 was an attack on our nation and acted like as if the terrorist attack only happened to them. They believe the entire country was required to marinate in their exquisite personal agony. Apparently, denouncing Bush was part of the closure process....

These broads are millionaires, lionized on TV and in articles about them, reveling in their status as celebrities and stalked by griefparazzies. I have never seen people enjoying their husband’s death so much.

Very hard words; but I stick up for Coulter even here. Read above: the Jersey Girls have used their grief as an offensive weapon against Republicans and in support of the candidacy of Sen. John F. Kerry (D-MA, 100%)... and that means that by their own actions, they forfeit the right to use their personal tragedy as a shield against attack.

But who are the "Jersey Girls?"

The Jersey Girls or Jersey Widows (Kristin Breitweiser, Patty Casazza, Lorie Van Auken, and Mindy Kleinberg) are four women from New Jersey whose husbands were killed in the September 11, 2001 attacks....

The Jersey Widows testified for hearing led by congresswoman Cynthia McKinney on July 22, 2005 [2]. In Lorie Auken's statement she said this of the 9/11 Commission Report:

And finally, without compromising our national security, it would have reported all of its findings, with its redactions blacked out and submitted to the American people. In essence, the Commission could have produced a final product where the resulting conclusions and recommendations could be trusted. Instead, at the end of the day, what we got were some statements that truly insulted the intelligence of the American people, violated our loved ones’ memories, and might end up hurting us, one day soon.

One such statement is that 9/11 was a ‘failure of imagination’. A failure of whose imagination? What exactly does that mean? When you have a CIA director with his hair on fire, a system blinking red, 52 FAA warnings, an August 6th, 2001, PDB entitled ‘Bin Laden Determined to Strike in the United States’, leads on several 9/11 hijackers including Alhazmi, Almihdhar and Marwan Al-Shehi, warnings from many foreign governments, a Phoenix memo warning of Islamic extremists taking flying lessons, the arrest of would-be terrorist Zacarias Moussauoui, facts imparted to one agent, Agent Frasca at the RFU at the FBI, 9/11 was truly a failure alright.

What else did they do? Was that it? Not by a long shot. From the Today Show exchange, here is Coulter on the Jersey Girls' politicking... facts which none of Coulter's critics have troubled to dispute. (This is a hallmark of the infallibility of grief, by the way: Cleland didn't try to argue that his votes against the DHS were right... he simply denied Chambliss the right to criticize him at all because of the tragedy Cleland suffered in Vietnam.)

They were cutting commercials for Kerry. They were using their grief to make a political point while preventing anyone from responding.

In a Hannity and Colmes segment yesterday (no transcript, I just watched it), she elaborated, noting the television shows and magazines that had featured them, the Democratic fundraisers they attended. I myself recall them sitting on some panel on terrorism, as if they were experts by virtue of grief. The Jersey Girls were not "grieving widows," for they were not grieving... not unless, as Coulter put it, "denouncing Bush was part of the closure process."

They are not grieving widows; they are crusading widows. The difference is colossal.

Matt Lauer's snide questions are almost tailor-made to prove Coulter's point, for not once does he ever bother responding to anything she says; instead, he spent the entire interview subtlely undermining her moral credibility and her decency for daring to challenge the crusading widows in the first place:

His first words, before even reading what she wrote:

  • Do you believe everything in the book, or do you put some things in there just to cater to your base?

After reading the excerpt where she concludes "I have never seen people enjoying their husband’s death so much”:

  • Because they dare to speak out? [At least, thank God, he didn't say "dare to speak truth to power." -- the Mgt.]

Here are the rest of his "responses" to Coulter:

  • So grieve but grieve quietly?

  • By the way, they also criticized the Clinton administration. [Lauer gives no examples.]

  • So if you lose a husband, you no longer have the right to have a political point of view?

  • Well apparently you are allowed to respond to them. [Said while he attacked her for responding to them.]

  • What I’m saying is I don’t think they have ever told you, you can’t respond.

  • No. I think it’s a dramatic statement. “These broads are millionaires stalked by stalked by grief-parazzies”? “I have never seen people enjoying their husband’s deaths so much”?

  • The book is called “Godless: The Church of Liberalism.” Ann Coulter, always fun to have you here.

There you go: content-free invective. Lauer never responds, refutes, debunks; he just denounces. This is practically a classroom demonstration of the infallibility of grief at work.

In the same article in Editor & Publisher, the Jersey Girls themselves (plus Monica Gabrielle) respond (they get the last word, of course; Coulter is not allowed to respond to their response). Amazingly, their response also reinforces Coulter's original point:

We did not choose to become widowed on September 11, 2001. The attack, which tore our families apart and destroyed our former lives, caused us to ask some serious questions regarding the systems that our country has in place to protect its citizens. Through our constant research, we came to learn how the protocols were supposed to have worked. Thus, we asked for an independent commission to investigate the loopholes which obviously existed and allowed us to be so utterly vulnerable to terrorists. Our only motivation ever was to make our Nation safer. Could we learn from this tragedy so that it would not be repeated?

They then append a list of eight Democratic-Party talking points, the exact attacks that Minority Leaders Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-Haight-Ashbury, 95%) and Sen. Harry Reid (D-Caesar's Palace, 100%) make against President Bush and the Republican Congress.

Ask yourself this question: what reason is offered for us to accept the analysis of the Jersey Girls about what's wrong with our response to 9/11? Why listen to them, instead of (for a wild example) Big Lizards?

The only reason put forward is that 9/11 "tore our families apart and destroyed our former lives."

That's it. If they conducted "constant research," they certainly didn't demonstrate any in their response, nor on any of the media lollapalloozas they basked in for months: the television appearances, the spread in Vanity Fair, the Kerry campaign rallies and fundraisers they attended, or the commissions where they spoke.

Their sole authority to declaim upon Bush's failures is that they lost their husbands on September 11th; their sole response to critics of their political activities is "we did not choose to become widowed on September 11, 2001."

But they certainly chose the path forward from that point. They buttered their bread; now they refuse to sleep in it.

Battered Conservative Syndrome

Yet rather than stand up to the bullying use of victimhood as a weapon, many pundits and bloggers on the right have instead joined the liberal dogpile on Ann Coulter. The response of conservatives matches that of Matt Lauer: who cares whether Coulter's critique is right or wrong? Those poor women have suffered! How dare she add to their grief?

They join the liberals in attacking Coutler for malfeasance of rhetoric; in this, conservatives are showing classic symptoms of Battered Spouse Syndrome. Huddled in a defensive crouch, they labor to prove that they are too decent, they are so sympathetic -- they attack Coulter to prove their own chivalric honor. They become "enablers" of liberal griefarazzi.

Many conservatives have let themselves be ensnared by the "infallibility of grief" gambit. Like suckers who give money to the woman with the baby she rents by the hour, conservatives who attack Ann Coulter, without regard to the point she makes, prove the utter truth of that point: the reflexive, Lorelei power of the whimper of whipped dogs. And like Odysseus, if they don't stop their ears or lash themselves to the mast, they will wreck upon the rocks.

The Left wallows in that whimper, in the infallibility of grief; they use it to bypass argument, substitute for evidence, and take the place of moral courage. To argue with the grief-mongers makes ordinary, decent people feel like they just yelled at Grandma and made her cry. And the Left shamelessly exploits that basic human guilt.

I grew up in a Jewish family, and I had that trick played on me too many times. My family and culture burned out that autoresponse circuit in me; sorry, but like Jo Dee Messina, my give-a-damn's busted:

You can say you've got issues, you can say you're a victim
It's all your parents fault, after all you didn't pick 'em
Maybe somebody else has got time to listen:
My give-a-damn's busted

If you're a human being, you feel sorry for people who have suffered great tragedy. But if you're a reasoning human being, you don't allow empathy to leap up your throat and strangle your brain: you control it; you take a step back and ask whether We are the evidence ever means anything more than "Shut up," she explained.

Hatched by Dafydd on this day, June 09, 2006, at the time of 05:42 PM


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1 posted on 06/10/2006 7:55:11 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: RonDog
Battered Conservative Syndrome: Defending Ann Coulter
[Big Lizard: BEST defense of GODLESS yet!]
Er, better make that:
BEST defense of GODLESS yet -- from someone who is NOT Ann Coulter herself!
NO ONE defends Ann better than -- Ann!

2 posted on 06/10/2006 8:02:54 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: RonDog; Chieftain

I agree completely with you.
Ann Coulter is right...she has the guts to talk about what is real...she throws cold water in your face with reality!

Ann talks outloud about the elephant in the room.

She must have hit a nerve cause the Jersey Ladies and the Libs are sooo defensive about this!


3 posted on 06/10/2006 8:07:20 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Moderate Mooslims.....what's that?)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Thanks!

And here is the SECOND BEST defense of Godless yet -- IMHO, from:

Book Review: Coulter Attacks the Cult of Liberalism
Human Events ^ | June 5, 2006 | Lisa De Pasquale
Posted on 06/05/2006 6:46:45 AM PDT by boryeulb

In "Godless: The Church of Liberalism," HUMAN EVENTS legal affairs correspondent Ann Coulter lays out one of the most original and perceptive philosophies on the cult of liberalism.

Get Yours FREE!
She states, "Under the guise of not favoring religion, liberals favor one cosmology over another and demand total indoctrination into theirs. The state religion of liberalism demands obeisance (to the National Organization for Women), tithing (to teachers' unions), reverence (for abortion), and formulaic imprecations ('Bush lied, kids died!'' 'Keep your laws off my body!' 'Arms for hostages!'). Everyone is taxed to support indoctrination into the state religion through public schools where innocent children are taught a specific belief system, rather than, say, math."

For years liberals have relied on a strategy of faking out the American public in order to win elections. Instead of accurately articulating their beliefs and engaging in an honest debate, they scour the nation for the perfect patsy. A hysterical mother who is willing to go on national television and call the President a "furor" and "evil maniac" is akin to seeing the stigmata. Liberals' ecstasy over Cindy Sheehan, Max Cleland, and the widows who made a spectacle of themselves in the midst of the 9/11 Commission epitomizes their secret weapon for winning back America -- a doctrine of infallibility in which victory goes to the most hysterical.

As Coulter writes:

Finally, the Democrats hit on an ingenious strategy: They would choose only messengers whom we're not allowed to reply to. That’s why all Democratic spokesmen these days are sobbing, hysterical women. You can't respond to them because that would be questioning the authenticity of their suffering. Liberals haven't changed the message, just the messenger. All the most prominent liberal spokesmen are people with "absolute moral authority" -- Democrats with a dead husband, a dead child, a wife who works at the CIA, a war record, terminal illness, or as a last resort, being on a first-name basis with Nelson Mandela.

Like Oprah during Sweeps Week, liberals have come to rely exclusively on people with sad stories...
CLICK HERE for the rest of that thread

4 posted on 06/10/2006 8:09:55 PM PDT by RonDog
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busted-give-a-damn-bump


5 posted on 06/10/2006 8:11:40 PM PDT by D-fendr
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To: D-fendr
I also like THIS one:

Doubting Coulter -- At First
(Press release politics not best venue for discussing personal loss)

The American Prowler ^ | 6/9/2006 | Mark Gauvreau Judge
Posted on 06/08/2006 10:59:21 PM PDT by nickcarraway

I was ready to give up on Ann Coulter. Even as a fan and a strong conservative, I found her questioning of the 9/11 widows in Godless hysterical and heartless. I thought it sad that such a brilliant mind had become unhinged. Saying that the Jersey Girls, the four women who lost husbands at 9/11, were "enjoying" their husbands' deaths? Ann -- time for rehab.

But then I saw the response from Kristen Breitweiser and the other 9/11 widows. Despite myself, against myself, a small fissure found its way into my disappointment. Don't bring it up, I told myself. To question grieving people is an attack not on their politics but their personhood. It is beneath you. Let it go.

But the more I saw the Jersey Girls' press release, the more that fissure widened. They defended their criticism of the lack of preparation for 9/11 -- a lack they claim continues to this day -- and called for civil right oversight, stronger border security, and better defense at ports and airports. Before the list came this: "Contrary to Ms. Coulter's statements, there was no joy in watching men that we loved burn alive. There was no happiness in telling our children that their fathers were never coming home again. We adored these men and miss them every day."

I read that, and a thought came to mind. I tried to push it away, ignore it. But I simply could not get that line out of my mind: "there was no joy in watching men that we loved burn alive."

But I couldn't get around it.

What person describes the death of a loved one in such detail?

Think about it. Think about people you've loved who have died, and how they died. When I was in high school in the early 1980s a friend was killed in a devastating driving accident There was an open casket at the funeral, and afterwards me and a group of buddies went to the roof of one of their houses and sat there talking all night. We talked about football, girls, sadness, the weather, depression, our parents -- everything except what we saw in that coffin. To this day it's referred to as "the night Dale (not his real name) died." Ten years ago, my father died of cancer. I can hardly bring myself to say the word, much less describe what he looked like and went through in the last months. When I meet someone who had a loved one suffer a similar fate, the conversation always trails off when we mention our common story. One of us will mutter, "it's a terrible thing," then change the conversation.

Curse me, I know I'm going to hell for this:

Why did the Jersey Girls describe the deaths of their husbands with such startling precision?

"Men that we loved burned alive..."

CLICK HERE for the rest of that thread

6 posted on 06/10/2006 8:16:20 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: RonDog

Sums it up pretty well.


7 posted on 06/10/2006 8:17:38 PM PDT by randog (What the...?!)
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To: RonDog
Coulter has it nailed this time.

I'll back her up 110% any time, any place.

It's disgusting that there are members of this forum who have more than once insinuated she's a racist.

L

8 posted on 06/10/2006 8:20:15 PM PDT by Lurker ("They still see you as the infidel, the other, and they'll still kill you. " Mark Steyn)
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To: D-fendr


9 posted on 06/10/2006 8:23:14 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: Lurker

bump


10 posted on 06/10/2006 8:29:16 PM PDT by Tribune7
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To: RonDog
"But if you're a reasoning human being, you don't allow empathy to leap up your throat and strangle your brain ..." Geez, sounds like Ann! Thanx for posting this long but very insightful article. I just found another blog to read regularly!
11 posted on 06/10/2006 8:30:03 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Ann talks outloud about the elephant in the room. She must have hit a nerve cause the Jersey Ladies and the Libs are sooo defensive about this!

Maybe we can set the Libbie screams about Ann to some nice music. Or even use rap for the screams and make a lot of money that way.

*~<]:o)@@ = the clown




"Better to be wanted by the police than not wanted at all."

Anonymous

12 posted on 06/10/2006 8:31:45 PM PDT by Stepan12
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To: sinkspur

after reading a few of your posts this afternoon and this evening, I believe that this article should be mandatory for you to read. Almost as if it was written for you.


13 posted on 06/10/2006 8:32:24 PM PDT by fish hawk
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To: RonDog
If you're a human being, you feel sorry for people who have suffered great tragedy. But if you're a reasoning human being, you don't allow empathy to leap up your throat and strangle your brain: you control it; you take a step back and ask whether We are the evidence ever means anything more than "Shut up," she explained.

Precisely right.

And, sorry folks, this wimpishness among some of the people on the right is of no value whatsoever. It's the same thing that got Delay booted from the Senate for fabricated charges.

Look, I have been critical of Ann. Mainly since her Roberts column. It was beneath her. Not because it was harsh, but because it was a sloppy mess. Souter is not Roberts, and Roberts is not Souter. Yet the majority of her columns fixated on Souter and the past, her fears, not the wealth of material that DID exist about Roberts approach to law.

That isn't the case here.

She's right.

100%.

And anyone that automatically damns her for stating they seem to have enjoyed their husband's death, applies a sense of morality to these women that they have not exhibited.

They used their dead husbands to get on the news and pursue a political agenda. Just as Wilson used his wife, with her approval, to get attention. Just as Berg uses the best part of him (His heroric son) to get attention. Just as Cindy uses her heroric son to get attention. There are names for people like this, and Ann uses some of them.

Yes, there are 9-11 families that sprung up to defend the war and even the administration. But how many of them do you see drifting off into discussing the issue of abortion? They speak because morally deficient women like the Jersey Women have claimed the voice of the families of 9-11, and they haven't the right to do so. That's why the others came forward. But to my knowledge they haven't become spokesmen/women for the RNC reading off their daily talking points.

They enjoy their fame, the power they feel it gives them to claim superiority over anyone that didn't lose a loved one. And I do NOT believe if given the choice, they'd choose to have their husbands back without hesitation for the loss of power/attention they've received since.

14 posted on 06/10/2006 8:34:08 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Deport the United States Senate)
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To: RonDog

They're using their grief to score political points. That opens them up to scrutiny and criticism. Case closed. They crossed the line of decorum, NOT Ann Coulter. Once again, the Dims are using people for their own political agenda and ends. I for one am glad she's calling them on it.


15 posted on 06/10/2006 8:34:21 PM PDT by Hoosier-Daddy (It's a fight to the death with Democrats.)
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To: RonDog

Dafydd ab Hugh rocks.


16 posted on 06/10/2006 8:34:26 PM PDT by Crazieman (The Democratic Party: Culture of Treason)
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To: RonDog
And don't forget the caterwauling that came from the left at the tinyiest sign that President Bush might utilize any image, no matter how oblique, relating to the 9/11 attacks, in his 2004 campaign, or at any other time. This while the Jersey Girls were actively assisting Kerry in his campaign, even to the extent of appearing with him at rallies and in commercials.

And the left has no difficulty getting away with this, thanks to covering fire from its friends in the MSM.

17 posted on 06/10/2006 8:36:02 PM PDT by Steely Tom
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To: fish hawk
Why? He'll just imply that she's a racist again.

L

18 posted on 06/10/2006 8:41:01 PM PDT by Lurker ("They still see you as the infidel, the other, and they'll still kill you. " Mark Steyn)
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To: RonDog

Wow! This is excellent. Great find!


19 posted on 06/10/2006 8:41:28 PM PDT by Lancey Howard
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To: Crazieman
Who is this guy? He's good. A sample: About conservatives embarrassed over Ann's book-- Huddled in a defensive crouch, they labor to prove that they are too decent, they are so sympathetic -- they attack Coulter to prove their own chivalric honor.
20 posted on 06/10/2006 8:42:38 PM PDT by jwalburg (If I have not seen as far as others, it is because of the giants standing on my shoulders.)
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To: RonDog; All
I have seen Dafydd ab Hugh on panels at science fiction conventions and have also read his commentary on his blog. He is a very intelligent and independent person and I have enormous respect for his opinions.

Regardless of how you feel on this topic, I think you should read what he says.
21 posted on 06/10/2006 8:42:53 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: RonDog


Bookmarked.
You put in a lot of effort.
Much appreciated.


22 posted on 06/10/2006 8:46:32 PM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: RonDog

Good Work...


23 posted on 06/10/2006 8:51:01 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: RonDog

Whenever someone like the Jersey Girls or Sheehan appears, I try to picture wives of the men on the Arizona (Dec 7, 1941) etc behaving that way. It works. You immediately see them for what they are, opportunists.


24 posted on 06/10/2006 8:51:05 PM PDT by DJ MacWoW (If you think you know what's coming next....You don't know Jack.)
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To: RonDog

Liberals have always been good at emotional extortion - ever since they began accusing anyone who questioned anything a black did or said of being a "racist", and maybe even before.....


25 posted on 06/10/2006 8:53:33 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: RonDog

Should be a course in 5th grade.


26 posted on 06/10/2006 8:55:38 PM PDT by TET1968 (SI MINOR PLUS EST ERGO NIHIL SUNT OMNIA)
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To: RonDog
He bent over to pick it up, and it exploded....

rumor was Cleland was juggling the grenade
27 posted on 06/10/2006 8:56:31 PM PDT by stylin19a
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To: onyx; RonDog

I'm not hedging on my opinion yet, but Dafydd (it's a Welsh name and is pronounced "daveth") is a sharp cookie and his defense of Ann is the best I've read.


28 posted on 06/10/2006 8:58:18 PM PDT by EveningStar
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To: RonDog
I believe its related to conservative inferiority syndrome. We don't think we are as good as we really are and we look to liberals to validate us. And when we don't get it, we assume there's something wrong with us. We never stop to think we might be right and that its the liberals who are wrong. We need to stop enabling liberals by attacking conservatives who point out the truth about them and remember that liberals are not our friends. If they were, you wouldn't hear them describe conservatives in terms not printable in the family newspaper.

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

29 posted on 06/10/2006 8:58:59 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: RonDog

I hope Ann Coulter reads this thread, because if she does I would like to encourage her to go on a campaign against Hillary Clinton.

Hillary becomes blind with rage when someone criticizes her, and if Ann were to just add a regular paragraph to the end of her column with joyous, sharp-tongued reminders of what Hillary is and represents, there is a good chance that Hillary would make a right royal fool of herself again.

Think of it as proxy revenge for all those retired people who lost their nest egg and were ruined by Whitewater and Castle Grande.


30 posted on 06/10/2006 9:00:23 PM PDT by Popocatapetl
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To: onyx
You put in a lot of effort.
LOL!
It is for a good cause! :o)

Ann with Jay Leno,
during a PREVIOUS visit to Los Angeles

31 posted on 06/10/2006 9:01:07 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: EveningStar; RonDog

Daveth - got it.
Impressive and I am still reading RD's posts.


32 posted on 06/10/2006 9:02:45 PM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: RonDog


She's sure making 'em cry.


33 posted on 06/10/2006 9:03:49 PM PDT by onyx (Deport the trolls --- send them back to DU)
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To: RonDog

All of what's included in this article is what I've been saying for a while. Personally, I have lost some respect for Kathleen Parker following her editorial taking AC to task for how she made her points and I've also lost some respect, though there isn't much left, for Bill O'Reilly who also lost little time in upbraiding AC. Neither of them seem to get it - the right has to scream bloody murder anymore to be heard by the Weft, including Bawney Fwank.


34 posted on 06/10/2006 9:04:38 PM PDT by Rembrandt (We would have won Viet Nam w/o Dim interference.)
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To: fish hawk; sinkspur
Duly noted ... still waiting to read the sinky reply.
35 posted on 06/10/2006 9:05:03 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: RonDog
Bravo Dafydd! Encore, encore.

Excellent observations of not only the looney left, but those on the right enabling the griefarazzi.

36 posted on 06/10/2006 9:06:49 PM PDT by Kryptonite (McCain, Graham, Warner, Snowe, Collins, DeWine, Chafee - put them in your sights)
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To: Echo Talon
ping to my #31 - YOUR screen capture of Ann.
It is almost time for PART TWO. :o)

37 posted on 06/10/2006 9:07:55 PM PDT by RonDog
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To: RonDog

Nails it big time.


38 posted on 06/10/2006 9:12:04 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: Steely Tom

Libs favorite tactic is projection.

How dare you question my patriotism?,,,when no one uttered those words.


39 posted on 06/10/2006 9:16:10 PM PDT by TASMANIANRED (The Internet is the samizdat of liberty..)
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To: Rembrandt

Sometimes the right has to scream bloody murder to be heard by the Republicans.

Coulter's right about the Jersey women.

What makes her able to write and say the things she does is that she knows she is right, and has the courage of her convictions to let it fly. So many of us feel at least some level of disgust whenever we see the Jersey girls, and while the feeling is very real, too few of us have the same courage to say exactly what we're feeling in the presence of varied company.

Ann's a big success because she has that courage, more than O'Reilly will ever have. He's the biggest hound for money on television, and sooo quick to assume the role of hush puppy when he can pander to the left.


40 posted on 06/10/2006 9:18:06 PM PDT by Kryptonite (McCain, Graham, Warner, Snowe, Collins, DeWine, Chafee - put them in your sights)
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To: Soul Seeker

bump


41 posted on 06/10/2006 9:25:20 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (The Rat Party's goal is to END the conflict, not WIN the conflict...should be the other way around.)
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To: Stepan12
Coulter vs Hitlary, 2008!
42 posted on 06/10/2006 9:27:30 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: RonDog
Thanks RonDog.

You da Man!

So, what's part two?

You always seem to have something up your sleeve...
43 posted on 06/10/2006 9:28:35 PM PDT by Syncro
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To: Kryptonite
"Ann's a big success because she has that courage, more than O'Reilly will ever have. "

O'Reilly could only dream of filling Ann's jock.

44 posted on 06/10/2006 9:29:44 PM PDT by TheClintons-STILLAnti-American
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To: Soul Seeker
I missed the whole controversy, was on a working vacation of sorts, but when I heard of it first recently, I, of course, was aghast. Ann had flipped out again. Of course, all I saw was the MSM coverage, I was unable to freep. I KNEW, however, that I should withhold some judgement until I read here on FR. Now that I have read the entire "exchange", I must say, that while I still often cringe when she speaks, she is usually right. I'll wuss out by saying I wish she had used kinder words, but she is 100% right, for all the reasons espoused here and on other threads. I am so sick of victimhood politics. Have been even back when I was a Democrat.
45 posted on 06/10/2006 9:59:16 PM PDT by Paradox (Removing all Doubt since 1998!)
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To: RonDog

"you don't allow empathy to leap up your throat and strangle your brain..."

Compassion without wisdom is part of the road to hell.


46 posted on 06/10/2006 10:12:03 PM PDT by little jeremiah
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To: RonDog

Bkmrk to read later.


47 posted on 06/10/2006 10:16:30 PM PDT by LucyJo
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To: Soul Seeker
Just as Berg uses the best part of him (His heroric son) to get attention.

Huh? Not to speak ill of the man, but what exactly did Nick Berg do that was heroic?

48 posted on 06/10/2006 10:25:26 PM PDT by thegreatbeast (Perhaps one)
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To: RonDog
Ann Coulter is right.

I sincerely doubt the media and the politicians will be able to force her into a noxious PC public apology.

People often forget she was a lawyer, before she became a pundit...

I hope the backlash bites every RINO big time.

The "big tent" badly needs an airing when truth and substance is aggressively and pointedly ignored, and the incomprehensible, illogical, liberal elitist definition of "polite public discourse" becomes the accepted measuring rod.
49 posted on 06/10/2006 10:28:46 PM PDT by sarasmom (To all political staff lurkers: SECURE THE BORDERS, OR YOU'RE FIRED!)
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To: RonDog

Conservatives need to be stronger, chivarly and empathy from conservatives is liking kicking your own a** to jump higher.


50 posted on 06/10/2006 10:42:34 PM PDT by okiecon
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