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To: epow

We can only understand events by our framework of life as a human, in the world we can see around us, and through our experience of how the world works.

Yet, God created this world and His realm is not limited.
What comes next is a creation of God and we cannot comprehend what it will be like.

A good explanation of this was a book called "Flatland" by Abbot. In it, man lived in a 2-dimensional world as on a sheet of paper - or "flatland". When God sent a sphere down onto "flatland" all the flatman could see was the dot where the sphere hit the sheet of paper. As the sphere passed through, the dot got bigger and bigger then smaller and smaller. When told to look up, he could not, just could look all around him on the paper - but not up to get a feel that the sphere was round - not flat.

This explains the hereafter to me - we do not have the environment to understand what God has planned because this world we live in is limited to the framework of this world. What comes next is in God's home and there may be many dimensions we have never even dreamed about.

Therefore, we would be wise to make sure we were allowed to live with God, rather than be cast out away from God.


54 posted on 06/11/2006 1:19:19 AM PDT by ClancyJ (Involuntary term limits for all our representatives - I want them ALL OUT OF OFFICE.)
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To: ClancyJ
I have been reading on the web pages of the science teacher you recommended to another poster. I found it very well written, and as far as my limited education in scientific matters goes, a seemingly probable explanation of many things that are apparently misunderstood both by many believers and by virtually all unbelievers about the Genesis creation account.

However, there is one very important point in his theories and explanations on which I will have to do a lot more study and thinking before I can accept. As an evolutionary creationist he must account for what he clearly believes is indisputable evidence for a "Christianized" version of Darwinian evolution. The problem I have with that belief is that it must posit that death was a fact of life for millions of eons before death was introduced into the Genesis creation account solely as the result of Adam's sin in the garden. If death is the inevitable result of sin, which I believe is an unmistakably clear teaching throughout scripture, then according to the "biblical evolution" creation system the author proposes the uncountable quadrillions of "upwardly mobile" animals who must have lived and died prior to Adam's entrance into the creation account must of necessity have been capable of consciously sinning against their Creator, and in fact did sin, in order to have been condemned to death by a just Creator. If God is not a perfectly just and unchangeable Creator, as the bible claims him to be, the entire biblical plan of salvation and the scriptural explanation of the absolute need for an infinitely capable and perfectly sinless Savior who died a substitutionary death in order to atone for man's sin falls apart at the seams.

I may not have explained my problem with the author's theory well enough for you to comment on it, but I would like to know your thoughts in re my problem with it as best I can define it. I say his "theory" because like everyone with a view on the issue there is no way for him to offer incontrovertible scientific proof that his belief regarding the Genesis account is accurate or was even intended to taken literally. God operates outside the time and space constraints of the physical universe he created, and our human minds which are conditioned primarily by that physical universe in which we live cannot fathom the eternally extant spiritual world that has existed from eternity past, and which by definition must exist into eternity future. That's why we call our belief in the bible's authenticity faith, we take it by faith without positive proof that in God's written word he gave us all we need to know in order to believe in his Son Jesus Christ and be saved from eternal death, but not everything he knows about his creative work and which our minds could not comprehend even if he explained in minute detail how he created and sustains life and all the myriad complexities of the physical universe.

My wife is insisting that I begin dressing for church, so I am hoping to continue a dialogue with you on this issue later in the day if that is acceptable to you.

74 posted on 06/11/2006 6:30:44 AM PDT by epow (The way of the cross leads home.)
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To: ClancyJ
This explains the hereafter to me - we do not have the environment to understand what God has planned because this world we live in is limited to the framework of this world. What comes next is in God's home and there may be many dimensions we have never even dreamed about.

I relate it as being ants trying to understand an elephant. We might be able to recognize smaller parts but we simply cannot grasp the elephant's total existance because the elephant is so immense and we are so tiny.

108 posted on 06/11/2006 1:00:56 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (I wish a political party would come along that thinks like I do.)
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