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My Lai again?
townhall ^ | Jun 11, 2006 | William F. Buckley

Posted on 06/11/2006 12:00:57 PM PDT by ncountylee

We hope day by day that the facts will become plain as to what occurred at Haditha in November. But this isn't happening. What we have is a story the components of which are pieces perpetually on the move. Starting at the bloody end, we read that 24 Iraqi civilians were killed by U.S. Marines in blood lust, the Marines reacting to the killing of a beloved member of their unit by a roadside bomb. Fiddle with the words above, and you can compose narratives for just about every story that has gone out.

It is illuminating that there is this confusion having to do with the facts. "Illuminating" is less than "reassuring." Somebody killed those Iraqi civilians, including women and children.

But memory is aroused, and we turn to Facts on File for April 7, 1971. It recounts in some detail the aftermath of the court-martial of Lt. William L. Calley Jr., who was in command of the platoon in Vietnam that slaughtered dozens, perhaps hundreds, of civilians in the little village of My Lai, bringing on the greatest crisis of military morale since World War II.

The court-martial began two years after Richard Nixon had been elected president, at the height of the national self-examination on the question whether we had been correct to send troops to Vietnam in the first place. The news of what seemed to be cold-blooded murder was arresting, gripping the American conscience as if by testicular strength, demanding to know how to square the American deed in Vietnam with the American ideals that sent us to Vietnam.

And yet there was such immediate dismay over the court-martial verdict that the Pentagon sent out a "white paper" explaining what had been done.

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TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Editorial; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; williamfbuckley

1 posted on 06/11/2006 12:00:59 PM PDT by ncountylee
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To: ncountylee

Sure Bill...let's not wait until the military investigation is done...let's dredge up My Lai.


2 posted on 06/11/2006 12:03:59 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: ncountylee

Buckley was pretty good til he went senile.


3 posted on 06/11/2006 12:06:00 PM PDT by Huck (Hey look, I'm still here.)
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To: ncountylee
If Haditha were an investigation of a few troops, it would never have been discussed by Buckley and others.

This is not an investigation of a few troops but the whole US military.

It is being used as an opportunity to tear down the whole on the backs of a few.

That act is, to me, the similarity to My Lai.

4 posted on 06/11/2006 12:10:47 PM PDT by llevrok (The next "greatest generation" is now.)
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To: ncountylee; All
-Haditha- Horror... or Hoax?--
5 posted on 06/11/2006 12:11:08 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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To: ncountylee
"Massacres" occur all over the globe everyday. I guess it's where the "massacre" took place and by whom and under what circumstances you conceder it to be a "massacre".Palestinians of all ages and genders blow themsleves up killing hundreds....Muslims of all ages and gendees blow themselves up killing thousands. The list goes on.....
6 posted on 06/11/2006 12:11:30 PM PDT by Dallas59
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To: Huck
"Buckley was pretty good til he went senile."

Actually, I think it's the drugs. Buckley is a big time pot-head.

7 posted on 06/11/2006 12:12:12 PM PDT by trek
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To: ncountylee

More like, "Me Lie."


8 posted on 06/11/2006 12:13:11 PM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: Non-Sequitur

I didn't even know he was still alive...


9 posted on 06/11/2006 12:17:10 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Huck
Buckley was pretty good til he went senile.

I stopped taking him seriously when he started promoting compulsory volunteerism.

10 posted on 06/11/2006 12:17:54 PM PDT by Mr Ramsbotham (Laws against sodomy are honored in the breech.)
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To: Huck
Good afternoon.
"Buckley was pretty good til he went senile."

Buckley, like too many Cold Warriors, began to lose touch with reality when the Cold War ended.

Michael Frazier
11 posted on 06/11/2006 12:18:14 PM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: backhoe; All
Washington Post Presents Marine’s Side Of Story

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1647257/posts

Lawyer: Marine Denies Haditha Massacre

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1647142/posts

12 posted on 06/11/2006 12:20:40 PM PDT by Kaslin (Zarqawi: Rest in Pieces and may all your virgins look like Helen Thomas and Maddie Albright.)
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To: CWOJackson
I didn't even know he was still alive...

He's getting up there. Must have a portrait in his attic ala Dorian Grey.

13 posted on 06/11/2006 12:22:35 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: ncountylee

Haditha media frenzy = Me Lie


14 posted on 06/11/2006 12:23:21 PM PDT by angkor
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To: trek

I remember hearing that he had gone out on a boat into international waters to try marijuana (so that he wouldn't be breaking any US laws), but didn't realize that he had turned into a big time pot-head. Reefer madness.


15 posted on 06/11/2006 12:29:31 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: llevrok
Good afternoon.

Those Americal soldiers killed hundreds of Vietnamese civilians at My Lai 4. They had been pushed to the limit but they shouldn't have been allowed to do what they did.

I blame the Platoon Leader and the Company Commander most, but everyone in a leadership position was complicit.

The Haditha event, on the other hand, seems to be fraudulent. Buckley should know better.

Michael Frazier
16 posted on 06/11/2006 12:29:47 PM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: ncountylee
F him.

Yeah, it's childish, but it's how I feel. It's my Dummie impersonation.

17 posted on 06/11/2006 12:40:01 PM PDT by doesnt suffer fools gladly (Liberals lie)
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To: Kaslin

Thanks- copied & saved.


18 posted on 06/11/2006 12:41:36 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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To: brazzaville
Buckley is on the record as being against the war in Iraq.

This is just his way of reinforcing his opinion.

19 posted on 06/11/2006 1:11:50 PM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: Verginius Rufus

One tok over the line...


20 posted on 06/11/2006 1:13:27 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: trek

Then again, so am I, and I'm sharp as a tack.


21 posted on 06/11/2006 1:31:49 PM PDT by Huck (Hey look, I'm still here.)
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To: Mr Ramsbotham

lol. "compulsory volunteerism." that'd be funny if it weren't so sad.


22 posted on 06/11/2006 1:32:19 PM PDT by Huck (Hey look, I'm still here.)
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To: brazzaville
Buckley, like too many Cold Warriors, began to lose touch with reality when the Cold War ended.

There's probably a lot of truth in that.

23 posted on 06/11/2006 1:32:46 PM PDT by Huck (Hey look, I'm still here.)
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To: backhoe

You are welcome. I thought you could use them


24 posted on 06/11/2006 1:34:36 PM PDT by Kaslin (Zarqawi: Rest in Pieces and may all your virgins look like Helen Thomas and Maddie Albright.)
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To: ncountylee

Buckley's senile blather aside, it's starting to look like the haditha "atrocity" story is as phony as the Duke lacrosse story. MSM traitors strike again.


25 posted on 06/11/2006 2:02:06 PM PDT by ozzymandus
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To: ncountylee
I would say that I have come to hate this stupid old man but I prefer to say I loath him. loath is a fancier more buckley like phony word. At any rate it seems that every so often he has to remind us that he was once the one man in the valley of the blind. As long as there weren't any other conservative writers around he looked and sounded great.
I'm glad i dropped my subscription to his magazine.
So they're guilty without a trial, eh billie? Well you can go back to the home now where nobody notices people who speak phony gibberish because everybody is doing it.
26 posted on 06/11/2006 2:45:18 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (John Spencer: Fighting to save America from Hillary Clinton..)
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To: CWOJackson

The Marines are innocent.


27 posted on 06/11/2006 2:47:54 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: xzins

I "hope" there are innocent, but not having been there or being privy to the facts, I'll wait until the investigation is completed.


28 posted on 06/11/2006 3:23:24 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: Dallas59
....Muslims of all ages and gendees blow themselves up killing thousands.

Civilized people don't. I hope that our Marines are still civilized. The official investigation will tell us.

29 posted on 06/11/2006 3:27:51 PM PDT by Non-Sequitur
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To: xzins; CWOJackson
The Article 32 isn't finished yet and I'm reading and seeing nonsense in the news. I've also seen evidence of a frame up against the Marines. More and more this reporting represents a political campaign to tarnish the Corps and stain the executive.

I'd like to write to the Commandant requesting special consideration in this but I won't; he couldn't take any action in any case. banned by the UCMJ from interjecting ' command influence'. The same for the SECDEF and POTUS. However the opposition party and the MSM and our enemy are free from consequence condemning the Marines involved and the Corps in general.

Chief, we got a circle jerk here.( Sorry for the language, Chaplin.)
30 posted on 06/11/2006 4:06:09 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny!)
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To: BIGLOOK
You have seen things that are suggestive of a frame up, so have I, but none of us has seen any real evidence one way or the other.

Yes, the media is spinning this, but so is every one who has already reached a decision of guilt or innocence.

In my perfect world following the announcement of an investigation into "possible" criminal acts we wouldn't hear anything else until the investigation was complete...or possibly even not until the charges were dismissed or moved forward.

Determining the facts and whether there was any criminal actions is important...in either case:

1) If these Marines are innocent then their names need to be cleared and they need to be able to resume their duties. No one should want less.

2) If they are guilty then they need to be held accountable for their crimes and given just punishment. No one should want less.

31 posted on 06/11/2006 4:17:06 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: ncountylee

There was an article on FR several months ago in which someone commented that Anti-Us Libs were desperately hoping for a "New My Lai", and that if they didn''t get one soon, would probably make one up.........


32 posted on 06/11/2006 4:18:51 PM PDT by tcrlaf (Liberalism-What a Pagan Religion...)
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To: OldFriend
Good afternoon.
"This is just his way of reinforcing his opinion."

As I said, Buckley should know better.

Michael Frazier
33 posted on 06/11/2006 4:30:33 PM PDT by brazzaville (no surrender no retreat, well, maybe retreat's ok)
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To: CWOJackson
I'll stand with the Courts Martial decision whether for or against but we're not there yet. The politicians and media are swooping in on this incident for face time and headlines. Personally, a completion of the investigation and dismissal of charges against the Marines would please me to no end. But I think this is a story that will persist in years to come, regardless the outcome.

Let me put it this way......this is a politico/media inspired RIF.

Always good chatting with you, Chief. Were you a Marine?
34 posted on 06/11/2006 4:47:24 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Keelhauling is a sensible solution to mutiny!)
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To: BIGLOOK
Nope, not a Marine. I'm from a service that used to deliver them to exotic locals; the Coast Guard.

We actually have a historical association with the Marine Corps that's kind of strange. One Coastie was awarded the Congressional Medal of Honor; he was put in for it by the Marine Corps. The Coast Guard thought he had only been doing his duty (saving people, even if they were Marines), the Corps thought different.

I've always had a strong appreciation for the Corps.

35 posted on 06/11/2006 6:33:58 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: ncountylee

Thanks for the post. WFB really seems to have turned the moonbat corner. He isn't even waiting for the evidence.


36 posted on 06/12/2006 7:28:05 AM PDT by libstripper
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To: libstripper

WFB has declined since the sixties when he was almost the lone conservative voice. While I respect his past efforts, it's time for WFB to consider a quiet retirement.


37 posted on 06/12/2006 7:39:21 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: CWOJackson; BIGLOOK
If these Marines are innocent

Chief, they are innoncent, and not because I'm interpreting any facts or news reports. They're innocent because that is the standard of the UCMJ.

“…the accused must be presumed to be innocent until his guilt is established by legal and competent evidence beyond reasonable doubt.” -- Uniform Code of Military Justice, USC Title 10, Chapter 47, Subchapter VII, Article 51(c)(1)

At this point in time, they are innocent. That means we must speak of them as innocent. Our assumptions must begin and end with their innocence.

38 posted on 06/15/2006 4:05:11 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: ncountylee

I can't remember the last time I agreed with a Buckley article.


39 posted on 06/15/2006 4:07:35 AM PDT by toddlintown
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