Posted on 06/13/2006 4:00:15 AM PDT by conservativecorner
This whole illegal immigration mess could have been straightened out with past administrations, and not just by this one. Years ago, you had to be fingerprinted to obtain a drivers license, as well as when serving in the armed forces. Now a photo is required too. All of this past and new information of drivers, service serial, and social security numbers are laying in scattered or combined databases. Why then is there, opposition to a national ID card, when big brother already knows where to find us? Or could it be, big brother doesn't really care about undocumented folks with forged documents. I don't want to appear naive, but would sure like a clear, simple explanation?
Because something isn't quite passing the smell test.
The Smartcard and such have puzzled me for some time in view of the fact that there is a micro-chip small enough to pass through the eye of a hypodermic needle.
I was reading the other days that some Mexican government employees already have chips implanted.
Question: Can these micro-chips be detonated?
I must have read the same article as you, about Mexican government employees having the mark of the beast chip implants. I'm a bit surprised, because of Mexico being a predominately Roman Catholic country, there hasn't been a peep uttered.
"Question: Can these micro-chips be detonated?"
Good James Bond question, lol, way above my knowledge.
"It's all so Clintonesque. It was horrible," he said, referring to former President Bill Clinton's penchant for parsing words. "I was listening to President Bush speak on the border, and I'm thinking to myself, 'I'm listening to Bill Clinton reworking every word, reworking every definition.'?"
Can't do that, you might then know just how screwed up the system really is.
Marriott is just like the Mormon businessmen throughout Utah, they pay each other's progeny the high-salaried, do-nothing jobs, while hiring illegals to do the grunt work for minimum wage.
I spent a disasterous six months in Utah last year, and you don't get hired unless you've got family there (a big one, if you catch my drift) or speak Spanish...
Seems to me that the hotel maid job is a perfect one for welfare mothers. Most people don't check out of their rooms until after the school day has begun, and most rooms are made up long before the school day ends. We don't need illegals to do this job.
The only time I was ever fingerprinted for a drivers license was a few years ago in Texas. My drivers license expires in 10 years from the date and the only way I could get a drivers license was to let them have my finger prints.
I oppose blackmail. Was I blackmailed? Yes!!!!!!!!
Do my finger prints have anything to do with a drivers license? No!!!!!! Will my finger prints make me a better or worse driver? No!!!!!!!! Supposedly, my finger prints are in the bar code on the back of my drivers license with other information about me. I object but what rights do I have?
I don't object to a photo because if I were in a car wreck, the photo is positive identification that even an idiot can figure out.
My main objection to an ID card is government bureacracy incompetence. The government recently had 26 million veterans ID "misplaced". Even hospitals have had computers stolen with private medical records of thousands of patients. This happened in Houston last year. The bureaucracy (IRS and SS departments) of out government "refuses" to work together to help victims of ID theft. As long as we continue to allow illegals in the country, we will always have ID theft.
IMO, the victims of ID theft should be able to collect the SS payment of the illegal alien. The victims should be rewarded and we should start speaking up for them.
I can't agree with you more. No matter what, they're still on record though. And yes, the big bugaboo in any database, is how secure is it, and what safeguards are in place to protect you, and me. Anytime, any system, even if encrypted, travels over telephone lines will be vulnerable to hackers. Obviously, service records of all vets since 1976 were compromised by a dope that took those records home...WHY, we'll never know? If they really serious about safety, security methods can be learned, maybe from the Swiss banking system. (emphasis added)
That's not something I have any knowledge about, whatsoever.
"The bureaucracy (IRS and SS departments) of out government "refuses" to work together to help victims of ID theft. As long as we continue to allow illegals in the country, we will always have ID theft.
I don't know how our government will be getting their act together on the issue of tamper proof ID cards. The high powered forgers in Los Angeles didn't seemed phased by it, claiming, what ever the U.S. government comes up with, we'll work around it. Good to know, these people will be on the loose, and given amnesty too, huh!
the #1 reason Bilbray won was because of his stance on immigration;
and
the #1 reason Busby lost is because of her saying that you don't need papers to vote or help in a Congressional campaign.
Excellent point!
LOL, the story tells volumes. If your an illegal alien, that has been forging ID documents to defraud the American government, and only get one year slammer time...LMAO loud...Then your John Doe American citizen, and decide to forge whatever, I guarrrannnntee, you'll get ten to twenty years in a federal prison.
Seriously, no doubt the Mexican forger case went before a U.S. district judge, in Los Angeles, under the umbrella of 9th Circuit guidelines, with some of the most liberal judges in the land, that don't want to offend the Mexican government, which you can bet, the Mexican Consulate was involved in, up to their hips. Not to mention an inept L.A. USDOJ that probably took the least path of resistance, and made a window dressing plea bargain. Hence, a double standard of of meted justice.
Honesty in Immigration
Our Shining City on a Hill Requires a Firm Foundation of Law
National Review Online April 26 2006
Newt Gingrich
The thousands of people we have seen marching in the streets of our cities and the planned May 1 boycott to protest U.S. immigration policy are the product of two decades of a fundamentally dishonest immigration system.
For more than 20 years, the United States has failed to control the borders or enforce immigration laws while many U.S. businesses have profited by breaking the law. In turn, the U.S. government failure to enforce the immigration laws has encouraged outright defiance of federal authority by certain state and local jurisdictions. Adding insult to this deplorable state of affairs is an immigration bureaucracy that has been slow, cumbersome, rude, heartless, and incompetent in the discharge of its duties.
This dishonest system has lured millions to enter our country illegally and obtain work here illegally.
Where are we and how should we proceed?
A detailed set of policy recommendations can be found in a working paper that I released today at the American Enterprise Institute. I have also recently recorded several radio commentaries on aspects of the immigration challenge. But let me provide here an overview.
First, it is essential to understand how big and how serious this problem is.
Second, it is equally essential to understand how big the changes will have to be to really solve the problem.
Third, it is important to follow a logical set of sequential, sustainable solutions that build a momentum that over time will result in a rational and orderly immigration policy acceptable to a majority of the American people.
Getting there is a matter of national survival both in immediate and in the long-term.
First, we must deal with the immediate. Open borders are a grave national-security threat. Why have a multibillion-dollar ballistic-missile-defense system when a terrorist can rent a truck and drive a weapon of mass destruction across the border? Gaining control of our borders is therefore an immediate and pressing national-security requirement. The secondary effect is that it would dramatically stem the flow of illegal immigration, illegal drugs, and the human trafficking of slaves (mostly female and mostly for sexual exploitation).
The longer-term threats of illegal immigration are economic and cultural.
Economically, in a world of vast income differences, instantaneous communications, and cheap travel (even when illegal), we cannot continue to allow a wide-open illegal employment system. The current flood of illegal migration if left unchecked for a period of decades will decisively undermine the economy in both economic and legal terms.
Culturally we have shifted from an integrating, English-speaking American citizenship focused model of immigration to an acceptance of foreign habits (which are going to include corruption), foreign loyalties (illustrated by the waving of foreign flags by many of the marchers, some with attitudes of contempt) and the insistence (not necessarily by immigrants) on creating non-English speaking legal and educational structures.
Instinctively, most Americans understand the corrosive effects of lawlessness on the economy and the culture. A USA Today poll two weeks ago recorded that 85 percent believe that to earn citizenship, immigrants should be required to learn English.
Note that in the same poll 84 percent would punish businesses that employ anyone not here legally, 81 percent would increase the number of officers patrolling the border, 60 percent would block them from using hospitals and schools, 61 percent say illegal immigration should be a crime and 52 percent would make it a crime to assist someone known to be here illegally.
Most Americans are open to people who want to become American, who will work hard, obey the law, and who are willing to learn English and American history. Within this framework of patriotic integration it is possible to be both pro-conservative and pro-immigrant.
Law First
But this framework cannot stand unless it is built upon the solid foundation of the rule of law.
For example, cities which receive hundreds of millions of dollars in aid from Washington block their police force from asking about an individual’s legal status (88 percent of the country favors cutting such cities off from federal money). In 2004, there were zero (0) federal enforcement fines imposed on American employers who were breaking the law by hiring people illegally.
No one believes the border is anywhere close to being controlled. Few have confidence that the government will ever seriously do something about it. In the same regard, the idea that the federal government could actually run an effective identification program for worker visas is not credible either which is why every audience applauds when I suggest outsourcing it to Visa, MasterCard, or American Express.
The radical difference between this business as usual paper-tiger effort and the seriousness of the required metrics-based solution is startling.
Lawmakers in Washington are trapped because they keep trying to appease lawbreakers while their fellow Americans watch with disgust. On the other hand, if lawmakers boldly outline a real sequential and systematic set of solutions they could win the argument in the country and move towards a workable policy that honors our values. If they fail to do this, American voters will eventually impose their will on Washington with painful political consequences for some incumbents.
Why is it so hard for some Republicans to understand the center-right view that it is far better to have Left-liberal Senators filibustering against controlled borders and effective legality than it is to appease them while enraging conservatives? If the issues are defined and communicated correctly, center-right support would grow into the 80-percent range (look again at the USA Today poll numbers).
It is possible to describe the situation in terms which are for both legality and immigration, for both controlling the border and having a worker visa program, for being sympathetic to newcomers and determined to sustain American civilization and for respecting other languages while embracing English as the language necessary for success in America. It is possible to do this in terms which will be acceptable to most immigrants and to most Americans.
It is partially a question of what we are opposed to.
If the Left-liberal choice is this map of Texas and Mexico combined with the rest of the U.S. missing, and the Mexican flag flying above an upside down American flag at an American pubic school in Arizona and the people who not only break the law but refuse to learn English while saying publicly they want to reunite the Southwest with Mexico, then you can safely assume that more than 80% of Americans will oppose you.
Left-liberals understanding that they cannot defend the above, which is why they would like us instead to believe that they are fighting against racists who want to close the border, behave harshly against innocent people, break up families, exploit migrants, and live in a xenophobic world.
An intelligent center-Right coalition would be for both security and immigration, for accuracy in identity (including a voter card with id and a biometric worker visa card) and patriotic integration of those who want to become American.
An intelligent center-Right coalition would define the opposition in terms that would lead most honest migrants to feel comfortable with defining clearly the underlying anti-security, anti-accuracy, anti-American civilization patterns of the hard Left-liberals.
Most Republicans could be convinced to articulate and follow an intelligent center-Right coalition if they understood it and understood the power of the language and the power of the definitions.
Sequencing
Charles Krauthammer has it right. There has to be a sequence of reestablishing trust.
First, control the borders with decisive legislation aggressively implemented with tight deadlines. Once we have stopped the illegal flow of people we will have demonstrated the seriousness necessary to gain both the credibility and the leverage needed to implement the next steps. Fortunately, a bipartisan consensus has emerged that securing the borders is indeed priority number one. Three national leaders have it right in their shared view that border control is the first step. Senator Frist is exactly right when he wrote recently that “to build confidence among Americans and Congress that the government takes border security seriously, we have to act to help get the border under control right now.” Senator Clinton is also right when she recently recognized the need for a “smart fence” along the border to enhance security. And Democratic National Committee Chairman Howard Dean is also correct when he said last week that “the first thing we want is tough border control.”
Accordingly, the Congress should pass a border-control bill immediately. There is no reason the Congress cannot immediately pass such a bill, and then concentrate on additional immigration reform measures later. The Congress should immediately act on this one aspect of immigration reform around which there is widespread agreement. America needs real border control immediately.
Second, establish patriotic integration and the primacy of English (English first, not English only) combined with a requirement that Americans can only vote in American elections and applicants for citizenship have to select where their loyalty is.
Third, establish real enforcement against unlawful employment by employers and especially against employers who are breaking both immigration and taxation laws. Make clear that the dishonest hiring and tax evasion of the last two decades are over and there will be expensive penalties for people who break American immigration law. Insist that cities enforce the law or lose their federal funding. All this can be done with the right incentives and without rounding up anyone.
Fourth, establish an outsourced worker visa program with a biometric identity card, a background check, and a 24/7 computerized real time verification capability so no business can claim ignorance. Permit businesses to send workers home to apply for their worker visa as a deductible business expense. Eliminate the fly-by-night subcontractor shams that are clearly set up to evade the law. Maximize the opportunity and the incentives for people who are here to return home and become legal.
Note that none of the above requires direct action against people who are here illegally. None of these steps will break up families or cause undue hardship. The focus of all these initial efforts is to stop the attraction of new people and to dry up the illegal jobs. If illegal jobs cannot be found, people will have no choice but to pursue legal means to employment.
Implemented correctly, these steps would convince people about the seriousness of the new policy and its enforcement creating a much more rational environment to discuss the emotional and complex situations affecting families and long time workers and residents.
As we transform our immigration system from a dishonest to an honest one, it is understandable that those living and working here illegally — especially those who have lived and worked here illegally for a long period of time — would be anxious and fearful about the future. While our two-decade-long failure does not mean that we are required to maintain a dishonest system, it does mean that must have a humanitarian period of transition as we replace an illegal channel of immigration with a legal one.
There is a huge difference between a cautious limited policy of integrating the people attracted by a dishonest and shameful policy (the deliberate cultivation of illegality over the last 20 years) and amnesty which will only reinforce the message of the dishonest past and create a wave of people who will continue to pour in expecting the continuation of the yesterday’s failed policies.
If lawmakers can agree to the first four steps we have plenty of time to think through and work out the details of a humane, compassionate, and legitimate process of patriotic integration for people who were lured to America by an incompetent government and lawbreaking businesses and who do not deserve to bear the full brunt of popular anger at such dishonest and hypocritical policies.
If the American people see that their leaders are serious and determined to control the border then create an effective worker-visa program along with a comprehensive program of patriotic integration into American civilization they will be much more supportive of a program for helping those with deep connections to America find their legal place in American society.
This is from IllegalAliens.Us
Citizens must draw the line and not accept amnesty in any way, shape or form as it is widely recognized by anti-illegal immigration groups that the subsequent migration invasion from an amnesty far outweighs any more promises of enforcement.
Talking points when you call your Senator and Representative:
Enforcement and attrition are the solutions, not AMNESTY. Pro-amnesty supporters claim the only solution to the crisis is legalization because mass deportation is not feasible. Actually enforcement of existing laws is the only solution as rewarding illegal aliens will trigger even more mass illegal migration. The priority of elected officials must be citizens, not corporations, not illegal aliens and not organizations. The problem must be fixed first and the problem of millions of illegal aliens can be dealt with by Attrition. Once laws are enforced most illegal aliens will return to their homeland.
Illegal migration is not a human right. Pro-amnesty supporters portray the plight of illegal aliens as a human rights issue. However, violating the borders of a sovereign nation is not a right in the Universal Declaration of Human Rights which states: "Everyone has the right to leave any country, including his own, and to return to his country." Yet human rights advocates vociferously and erroneously claim such a right without justification as such a right is not provided in the widely accepted human rights declaration. See Rights.
Enforcement and AMNESTY are incompatible. AMNESTY is rewarding law breakers and enforcement is punitive and are mutually exclusive. It is totally hypocrisy to claim one is for AMNESTY but against illegal immigration. Our borders must be secured. Armed Mexican military must be prevented from crossing our borders. Our government must be forced to refuse to accept fraudulent documents used by illegal aliens.
It's an AMNESTY. The open border elites claim the guest worker bills are not amnesty because they do not require payment of a token fine before eligibility for permanent residency (green card) or because they do not offer a path to citizenship. That is a flat-out lie. The laws governing illegal immigration bar legal reentry into the United States for several years before eligibility is restored. A token fine is a thinly disguised waiver of the penalty. Amnesty is defined as waiving of a penalty. Illegal aliens are subject to deportation. The various guest worker bills waives the deportation penalty. Duh, it's an AMNESTY.
Guest worker programs have been world-wide failures. Many of the immigrant problems in England such as the London bombings and French Muslim riots are a lingering result of non-assimilation from post-WWII guest worker programs. The US Bracero program was a failure. Even many pro-illegal immigration ethnic advocates admit guest worker programs are failures. This aspect has received little debate, yet the Senate is poised to embark on a direction that promises huge future problems of non-assimilation and radicalization of third-class workers.
Guest workers are permanent. Pro-illegal invasion supporters tout the program as temporary, but that is another flat-out lie. Our immigration programs are riff with facts proving that foreign nationals, once here, do not return to their homeland.
Guest worker programs are a threat to homeland security. Senators should know this, but apparently are prepared to ignore this key problem with any guest worker program. The one key question Senators are unwilling and unprepared to answer is who will do the background checks on the illegal aliens participants and new guest workers? The fact is the Department of Homeland Security is utterly incapable of carrying out this vital function.
Guest workers mean more unemployed and underemployed Americans. The continued mass influx of foreign worker who work for less means the continued displacement of legal American workers and a further degradation of benefits for American workers. The current guest worker proposals include massive increases in H-1B visas indicating that the true intent of elites is to flood all industries with cheap foreign labor. American workers in all industries will be under further wage depression and loss of benefits.
Guest worker amnesty means more illegal migration. History has clearly shown that amnesties cause more illegal migration. After the huge 1986 amnesty which was supposedly 'the last amnesty' the rate of illegal immigration exploded to the current level of upwards of 20 million illegal aliens in the US today. See "Chief Administrator of the 1986 Amnesty Speaks Out Against Repeating a Failed Policy."
Citizen action is urgently needed!!
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