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2006 WORLD CUP -- Day 5 Thread -- Brazilians enter Cup fray
MLSnet.com ^ | 6-13-06 | MLSnet.com

Posted on 06/13/2006 6:05:50 AM PDT by soccer_maniac

World Cup favorite Brazil will kick off its World Cup campaign on Tuesday as the opening round of the tournament continues in Germany. The defending champions will face Croatia at 3 p.m. ET (ESPN2) in Berlin in the second Group F match, following Australia's come-from-behind victory over Japan Monday.

The match will feature the highly-anticipated debut of FC Barcelona great Ronaldinho as he looks to lead the South Americans to a record sixth championship. But the reigning FIFA World Player of the Year is hardly the only weapon in coach Carlos Alberto Parreira's arsenal. Also at his disposal are Ronaldo, Kaka, Robinho and Roberto Carlos -- just to name a few -- who could leave the Croatian defense in for a busy day.

In the day's first match, first-time qualifiers Togo will be looking to upset 2002 semifinalists South Korea (9 a.m. ET, ESPN2). Though the Asian side does not have home field advantage as they did four years ago, the side is very experienced and boasts much talent, including 10 players returning for their second consecutive finals. The Koreans will be looking to Ahn Jung-Hwan for offense.

Togo enters the match as one of the surprise teams in the field, having secured qualification for the first time in the tiny nation's history. With many players coming from the French, Swiss and English leagues, they are a side capable of raising a few eyebrows.

Also making their 2006 World Cup debuts on Tuesday will be France and Switzerland, the neighboring nations squaring off at 12 noon ET on ESPN2. 'Les Blues' are chock full of world-class talent, including Arsenal's Thierry Henry and former FIFA World Player of the Year Zinedine Zidane, who led the French to their only World Cup title on home soil eight years ago.

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I hope the thread title is clear enough. If the subject isn't of interest, please stay away. This is a World Cup discussion thread, not a "which sport is better" discussion thread.
1 posted on 06/13/2006 6:05:52 AM PDT by soccer_maniac
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To: soccer_maniac

2 posted on 06/13/2006 6:06:47 AM PDT by soccer_maniac (Fine employers $100,000 for every illegal employee they hire-> millions of illegals will self-deport)
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To: soccer_maniac

I know some of you love this sport ..... but I'd rather watch competitive dry cleaing....


3 posted on 06/13/2006 6:08:00 AM PDT by Fighting Irish
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To: soccer_maniac; Lobster Johnson; kevkrom; Colonel_Flagg; Sam's Army; Gaetano; MoJo2001; ...

Ping!


4 posted on 06/13/2006 6:08:10 AM PDT by soccer_maniac (Fine employers $100,000 for every illegal employee they hire-> millions of illegals will self-deport)
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To: Fighting Irish

Which part of "I hope the thread title is clear enough. If the subject isn't of interest, please stay away. This is a World Cup discussion thread, not a "which sport is better" discussion thread" don't you understand?


5 posted on 06/13/2006 6:08:53 AM PDT by soccer_maniac (Fine employers $100,000 for every illegal employee they hire-> millions of illegals will self-deport)
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To: Fighting Irish

Extreme ironing does actually exist as a contest (I'm not sure sport is the right description). It rules, as does soccer :o)


6 posted on 06/13/2006 6:09:35 AM PDT by FostersExport
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To: FostersExport

Day 4 Thread (for those who missed it)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/chat/1647758/posts


7 posted on 06/13/2006 6:11:19 AM PDT by soccer_maniac (Fine employers $100,000 for every illegal employee they hire-> millions of illegals will self-deport)
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To: soccer_maniac

SO what kind of results could possibly get the US team out of group? Anything really?

It kills me they played so bad yesterday. Made me sad... :-(


8 posted on 06/13/2006 6:14:01 AM PDT by eyespysomething (In a fight between Batman and Darth Vader, the winner would be Chuck Norris.)
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To: soccer_maniac
I was distraught when I learned we lost 3 zip. I admit I did not expect the US to beat the Czechs, but I was expecting more of a 1-0 or 2-1 game. Now were going to play Italy, so I really don't expect us to get out of the 1st round :(

If the US gets knocked out, I am hoping for an England vrs. Germany final, with England as the victor, though I like the Germans nearly as much.

Do you guys think we'll make it out of round 1?
9 posted on 06/13/2006 6:15:54 AM PDT by Theoden (Liberate te ex inferis)
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To: FostersExport
USA vs. Czech Photos


10 posted on 06/13/2006 6:16:30 AM PDT by soccer_maniac (Fine employers $100,000 for every illegal employee they hire-> millions of illegals will self-deport)
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To: Theoden

I don’t think the USA will escape the group. Italy looked good. Even beating Ghana will be tough.

I am looking forward to seeing Brazil play. Apart from anything else I have Adriano in my fantasy team and I’ve not seen him play before :oO

France might be an interesting one. They still haven’t looked like showing much spark in the games I’ve seen them play but they have been getting the results.


11 posted on 06/13/2006 6:19:12 AM PDT by FostersExport
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To: soccer_maniac
...This is a World Cup discussion thread, not a "which sport is better" discussion thread. ...

Good luck with that.

12 posted on 06/13/2006 6:21:00 AM PDT by FReepaholic (Why aren't lawyers ever accused of price gouging?)
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To: Fighting Irish

Cross country ballroom dancing


13 posted on 06/13/2006 6:21:26 AM PDT by Moleman
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To: Theoden
Do you guys think we'll make it out of round 1?

Nope. Not after the effort I saw yesterday. We were badly outplayed.

That said, I hope I am wrong and we can turn things around.

14 posted on 06/13/2006 6:22:07 AM PDT by PBRSTREETGANG
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To: Theoden

I thought we had a 45% chance to advance coming into this WC.

My new thoughts are we have about a 10% chance to advance.

We need to beat Italy, we all know that, but Italy has far better players technically speaking and know that they likely would only need a draw from us to advance (considering the goal differential).

The Italians will be watching for the CZE/GHA result (that game is first up Saturday). If the Czechs win, the Italians will probably bunker down and play very conservatively. A tie is all they need to advance at that point.


15 posted on 06/13/2006 6:22:27 AM PDT by soccer_maniac (Fine employers $100,000 for every illegal employee they hire-> millions of illegals will self-deport)
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To: soccer_maniac

“We need to beat Italy, we all know that, but Italy has far better players technically speaking and know that they likely would only need a draw from us to advance (considering the goal differential).”

Your consolation is that Italy will be looking to win, if they have any sense. (Likely) Avoiding Brazil is a BIG incentive not to draw against you guys.


16 posted on 06/13/2006 6:25:33 AM PDT by FostersExport
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To: FostersExport
France was good a few years ago, I don't know how they are now. I really wish I could be home watching the games, but I'm a cubicle dweller.

Brazil is ALWAYS good. I remember watching Brazil defeat Italy in 1994 in a shootout where Roberto Baggio sent his shot right over the goal, and Brazil scored the final goal for the win.

I also hope Sweden and Australia do well. I was bothered that Sweden tied, and I was very happy that the Aussies defeated Japan. This World Cup will have a good finish.
17 posted on 06/13/2006 6:26:26 AM PDT by Theoden (Liberate te ex inferis)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

The bottom line is that the US doesn't have anybody that puts fear into their opponents. Midfielders and forwards are especially weak. Granted, they are better, but they are still not ready for this level of competition.


18 posted on 06/13/2006 6:27:06 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: PBRSTREETGANG

Washington Post: Different World for U.S.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/06/12/AR2006061200761.html


19 posted on 06/13/2006 6:28:03 AM PDT by soccer_maniac (Fine employers $100,000 for every illegal employee they hire-> millions of illegals will self-deport)
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To: Theoden

Yep, I have adopted the Aussies as my team. I think they will advance to the knockout round.


20 posted on 06/13/2006 6:28:12 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: soccer_maniac
A piece of advice: do not do business in Brazil today. The whole country today has gone football mad and turned into a big Samba party rudely interrupted by a football game.

(I'm using the international definition of "football")

21 posted on 06/13/2006 6:30:26 AM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: soccer_maniac
Which part of "I hope the thread title is clear enough. If the subject isn't of interest, please stay away. This is a World Cup discussion thread, not a "which sport is better" discussion thread" don't you understand?

Which is exactly why I hate this sport. You fans are the touchiest, crabbiest people on the planet. The girlie pics are at least making me reconsider my stance ...

22 posted on 06/13/2006 6:32:33 AM PDT by Fighting Irish
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To: Theoden

France still have good players, but a lot of them are old and that may well hinder the abilities of Thierry Henry, and he’s not exactly reliable in the big games. We shall see.

Oh, and GOAL to Togo!


23 posted on 06/13/2006 6:33:27 AM PDT by FostersExport
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To: FostersExport

Way Togo Togo!!!!


24 posted on 06/13/2006 6:34:21 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: dfwgator
I would have adopted the Aussies, but I love the German-English rivalry too much. If either side wins, the loser will never hear the end of it, especially if England wins.
25 posted on 06/13/2006 6:34:30 AM PDT by Theoden (Liberate te ex inferis)
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To: dfwgator

Heh. Good one.


26 posted on 06/13/2006 6:35:55 AM PDT by FostersExport
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To: Theoden

For sheer drama in a football match, I prefer England v Argentina. Something ALWAYS happens in those games. But Germany is definitely a good rival.


27 posted on 06/13/2006 6:37:20 AM PDT by FostersExport
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To: FostersExport
For sheer drama in a football match, I prefer England v Argentina.

They certainly have, especially the Hand of Satan (I refuse to refer to it as the Hand of God) game.

28 posted on 06/13/2006 6:39:08 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: FReepaholic

We don't need luck. We've been doing fine since the WC began except for the odd irrelevant post from people who just can't resist a juvenile snipe or two.

My advice remains the same: if your fingers can't seem to stay off the keyboard, then start a thread on the preferred sport of your choice and see how many posters you attract. It's a win-win.


29 posted on 06/13/2006 6:39:48 AM PDT by relictele (Carry On The Anglosphere)
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To: relictele

Togo went up 1-0 in case anyone is interested.


30 posted on 06/13/2006 6:45:14 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!!!)
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To: Fighting Irish
We wouldn't be all that touchy if it were one or two people, the fact that it is many people, day after day that bothers us. We don't go into football threads striking at the masculinity of football fans for them loving to watch large, fat, and hairy men tackle each other in the dirt, or liking to watch dumb oafs running into each other.

BTW, I like football too, just pointing out the pendulum swings both ways!

Now if you want to talk about a crappy sport, one that shouldn't ever even be considered being called a sport, that would be NASCAR. The drivers are "athletes"!?!?! It doesn't take much athleticism to steer a car in one giant left turn for 3 hours, in fact, all you really need to do is watch the last 3 laps, watching the whole race is pointless. Most of the drivers stay in basically the same position the whole time. LOL, look what you did, you turned on my NASCAR rant!
31 posted on 06/13/2006 6:45:46 AM PDT by Theoden (Liberate te ex inferis)
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To: eyespysomething
It kills me they played so bad yesterday. Made me sad... :-(

We played badly and Czechoslovakia is the better team. But we could have done better. Sloppiness led to a couple of goals. And our offense was anemic. Too much midfield passing and no aggression on offense.

I'm holding out hope for an upset victory over the Italians. Hey, why not?

32 posted on 06/13/2006 6:45:48 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Aquinasfan

Me too!

And there is nothing wrong with losing a good game to a good team. Its when they don't even show up to play.


33 posted on 06/13/2006 6:46:49 AM PDT by eyespysomething (In a fight between Batman and Darth Vader, the winner would be Chuck Norris.)
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I never thought about applying the Falkland's war to it, that would make a good rivalry.
34 posted on 06/13/2006 6:47:37 AM PDT by Theoden (Liberate te ex inferis)
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To: Theoden
Brazil is ALWAYS good. I remember watching Brazil defeat Italy in 1994 in a shootout where Roberto Baggio sent his shot right over the goal, and Brazil scored the final goal for the win.

I HATE penalty kicks. After two overtimes the goalies should be taken out of the game (i.e., not allowed to use their hands.)

35 posted on 06/13/2006 6:48:09 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Fighting Irish

'I know some of you love this sport ..... but I'd rather watch competitive dry cleaing....'

You must love American Football then, loadsa stuffed shirts standing around all day. . . . . :D


36 posted on 06/13/2006 6:48:48 AM PDT by Vectorian
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To: Aquinasfan

If the US is to win , they cannot give up a goal five minutes into the match. If they can get it to halftime at 0-0, then they might get the Italians frustrated which can create some opportunites.

The problem however for the US is the goal differential, they are not likely to beat anybody by 3 or more goals. They could conceivably win their next 2 games and still not advance.


37 posted on 06/13/2006 6:49:50 AM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: You Dirty Rats
Togo went up 1-0 in case anyone is interested.

Wow! It's hard not to root for Togo and Trinidad and Tobago. Amazing that countries like that are in and Russia, China and India are out.

38 posted on 06/13/2006 6:50:26 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: Theoden

'Now if you want to talk about a crappy sport, one that shouldn't ever even be considered being called a sport, that would be NASCAR.'

Nascar is a sport? They sometimes show it over here in the UK at 3AM when they run out of old war films. I thought it was a webcam of a busy freeway I was watching. . . . :D


39 posted on 06/13/2006 6:52:14 AM PDT by Vectorian
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To: dfwgator
They could conceivably win their next 2 games and still not advance.

But it would be worth it to beat the Italians! 8-)

40 posted on 06/13/2006 6:52:46 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: FostersExport

Half time Togo 1- Korea 0.

If you see the celebration of TOGO goal, that sums up the World Cup. It brings joy, tears and passion to people around the world. Beautiful game.


41 posted on 06/13/2006 6:53:29 AM PDT by soccer_maniac (Fine employers $100,000 for every illegal employee they hire-> millions of illegals will self-deport)
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To: Theoden

Yeah but you have to admit that watching five guys change tires and fill up a gas tank is pretty exciting and those guys are pretty athletic. I'll bet any one of those tire-changers could last at least three minutes running up and down a soccer field.

Then there's the whole Dale "Angel" Earnhardt thing. Dude was considered a dirty driver by many and his nickname was "The Intimidator" -- yet he dies on the track and becomes St. Dale.

The other point about world football vs. US football is that world football is capitalistic -- the teams that advance the furthest make the most money, both on a club and international level. There are rich teams and poor teams. The weak get relegated and the strong get promoted.

US Football, by contrast, is Communist -- TV revenues are shared, there is a hard salary cap, the weaker you are the better your draft position and the easier your schedule -- it's all right out of the Karl Marx playbook.


42 posted on 06/13/2006 6:53:44 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!!!)
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To: Theoden

Never respond to a troll or a flame.

Instead you should always report trolling and flaming. By reporting posts (and posters) you insure the mods see problems a timely manner.


43 posted on 06/13/2006 6:57:41 AM PDT by soccer_maniac (Fine employers $100,000 for every illegal employee they hire-> millions of illegals will self-deport)
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To: Theoden

"I never thought about applying the Falkland's war to it, that would make a good rivalry."

You basically take one dirty game in 1966 where the England manager said the Argentines were “like animals” (they took exception to this), stir things up with the Falklands war, through on some petrol with Maradona’s ‘Hand of God’ goal and then put the whole fuel dump on with Diego Simeone getting David Beckham sent off in 1998. I also think the Argentines reckon Michael Owen dived to get a penalty when we beat them in 2002.

So what you’re left with is a pretty heated encounter whenever the two sides meet. I love it – it’s a proper international football rivalry.


44 posted on 06/13/2006 6:58:24 AM PDT by FostersExport
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To: FostersExport

Still doesn't approach El Salvador - Honduras!


45 posted on 06/13/2006 7:00:56 AM PDT by You Dirty Rats (I Love Free Republic!!!)
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To: Aquinasfan
I was a goal keeper all the way up through high school. As a keeper, I actually enjoyed the pressure of penalty kicks. It makes the game much more exciting, and I think it is better than the "golden goal". I don't care much for them.
46 posted on 06/13/2006 7:03:28 AM PDT by Theoden (Liberate te ex inferis)
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To: Vectorian

It's about as fun as watching a highway!


47 posted on 06/13/2006 7:04:45 AM PDT by Theoden (Liberate te ex inferis)
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To: Theoden
"Do you guys think we'll make it out of round 1?"

No, but most pundits had us picked for 3rd in the group before play began.

I can't think that the US camp is in as much dissarray as they were in '98 with some of the Sampson/Harkes/Waldo drama...but harder facts usually surface after the games are done.

And speaking of done, my guess is that Bruce Arena may be tendering his resignation come July; no matter how well we do from here.

48 posted on 06/13/2006 7:04:51 AM PDT by Sam's Army (Back to lurking...)
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To: soccer_maniac

I watched a replay of the US game last night. Understand I like soccer, but I've never really followed it until this year. The US team looked bad to me. Compared to the other games I've seen recently


49 posted on 06/13/2006 7:07:07 AM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: soccer_maniac
If you see the celebration of TOGO goal, that sums up the World Cup. It brings joy, tears and passion to people around the world. Beautiful game.

Looking forward to seeing it tonight in the highlights. Hopefully they can hold on. That seems like a tall order though. The South Koreans seemed very disciplined to me in the last World Cup.

50 posted on 06/13/2006 7:07:19 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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