Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

The United States Conference of Catholic Bishops policy paper on its support of illegal immigration
U.S. Conference of Catholic Bishops ^ | Walter Ewing

Posted on 06/14/2006 4:52:10 PM PDT by garbageseeker

click here to read article


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-50 ... 101-150151-200201-250251-294 last
To: caisson71

Its the bishops and the Cardnials too(ie:Roger Mahoney).


251 posted on 06/15/2006 2:03:29 PM PDT by garbageseeker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 249 | View Replies]

To: dennisw
It has been around and festering fro a while.Liberation Theology began in the 1960s in Latin America and it has slowly been spreading into American Catholic Doctrine. Its a quasi-Marxist doctrine to justify the "social justice" of the Church.They use this doctrine to support unrestricted illegal immigration.
252 posted on 06/15/2006 3:12:11 PM PDT by garbageseeker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 244 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur
I never said that they weren't.

OTOH, can YOU cite any famous Catholic Masons who have been excommunicated and thusly been forbidden to be buried in holy ground? So you don't have to scurry around, looking for Catholics, who were Masons, I'll give you a little list......

Andre Roux, Charles Robert Richet, Jacques Etienne Montgolfier,Giuseppe Mazzini, Lajos Kossuth,Giuseppe Garibaldi, and Simon Bolivar.

253 posted on 06/15/2006 3:13:28 PM PDT by nopardons
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 247 | View Replies]

To: nopardons

Bump


254 posted on 06/15/2006 4:33:44 PM PDT by garbageseeker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 253 | View Replies]

To: nopardons

I'm not going to argue with you about Masons.


255 posted on 06/15/2006 4:38:30 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 253 | View Replies]

To: garbageseeker
It has been around and festering fro a while.Liberation Theology began in the 1960s in Latin America and it has slowly been spreading into American Catholic Doctrine. Its a quasi-Marxist doctrine to justify the "social justice" of the Church.They use this doctrine to support unrestricted illegal immigration.

The US Bishops do NOT support unrestricted illegal immigration. You've lied about that, about their motivation being liberation theology, and about what they actually have said about immigration.

I recommend that those who are interested in what the bishops actually have to say, go to the link I gave in a previous post. You simply can't tell the truth about the matter.

256 posted on 06/15/2006 4:42:11 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 252 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur

Sure. They made up that policy paper.


257 posted on 06/15/2006 5:26:23 PM PDT by garbageseeker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 256 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur

And that paper was found on their site.

Give it up


258 posted on 06/15/2006 5:27:57 PM PDT by garbageseeker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 256 | View Replies]

To: garbageseeker

I will not give it up. You act as if this position from the bishops is new. If you'll go back to 1985, they were advocating the same thing when the Reagan administration undertook immigration reform. There wasn't a peep out of anybody back then.


259 posted on 06/15/2006 5:30:49 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 258 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur

You lost

Be Gone.


260 posted on 06/15/2006 5:31:25 PM PDT by garbageseeker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 259 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur
Because you can't? :-)

never again post anything which smears them!

261 posted on 06/15/2006 5:35:01 PM PDT by nopardons
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 255 | View Replies]

To: garbageseeker
If you still go to confession, ask your confessor if your membership in the Masons is materially sinful.

Oh, and I suspect your parish won't miss the measly dollar you put in the collection basket.

262 posted on 06/15/2006 5:35:08 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 260 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur

Be gone Troll


263 posted on 06/15/2006 5:36:03 PM PDT by garbageseeker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 262 | View Replies]

To: nopardons
never again post anything which smears them!

You and I are usually on the same side, so I will let you have the last word, except to say that there is no restriction here against posting articles about the Masons.

264 posted on 06/15/2006 5:37:30 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 261 | View Replies]

To: garbageseeker

LOL!!


265 posted on 06/15/2006 5:38:02 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 263 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur
No, there isn't, but I am here to let you know, usually being on the same side or not, once you decide to smear the Mason or Shriners, you have ME to deal with and THAT is something you do NOT want; believe me!

I am not a Catholic; I am a Protestant. There was time, not all that long ago ( the 1950s ), when Catholics called Protestant heretics and worse, claiming that NO Protestant would ever get into heaven. Making the same claim, now, for Masons, is just as ridiculous to most people. And the ONLY reason you went after Masons/Freemasonry on this thread, as far as I can tell, is because you are losing the argument to a fellow posters, who happens to have on his personal page, that he is a Mason. That is NOT the way to win any debate; nor how to make friends ( or keep friends !) and influence others.

266 posted on 06/15/2006 5:46:57 PM PDT by nopardons
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 264 | View Replies]

To: nopardons
I went after a Catholic who is trashing the American bishops' position on immigration. Except that this Catholic is violating a long-standing proscription against membership in the Masons while he does this.

Nobody's putting anybody in hell. The Shriners do a lot of good work, but the tenets of the Masonic Lodge are at variance with Catholic teaching.

You are free to join in any discussion you desire on FR.

267 posted on 06/15/2006 5:59:10 PM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 266 | View Replies]

To: Integrityrocks

"You could have posted a link. I think most Catholics ARE aware of the Church's stand on this issue. They are making a strong effort to put it in our faces. I wrote to my bishop disagreeing, respectfully. It is not Catholic Doctrine or Dogma. Catholics are not BOUND to agree with this issue."

Exactly. I don't think the majority of nonCatholics realize that a bishop's opinion is not DOGMA.


268 posted on 06/15/2006 6:25:13 PM PDT by Sun (Hillary had a D-/F rating on immigration; now she wants to build a wall????)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur
You USED the Mason to try to trash another poster, for NO reasons having to do with this thread nor the topic at hand. And, by doing so, YOU impugned ALL Masons; living and dead; thereby earning not only my wrath and scorn, but that of many others.

You want to debate/argue this topic ? Be my guest; I couldn't care bless if I tried to. But for goodness sakes, stop with the damned personal attacks and especially an attack on an entire group of people who 1)were not on this thread 2) aren't Catholics 3) if it weren't for, this nation would either never have come into existence and/or most certainly would NOYT be anything at all like it is.

FYI.....though all Masons are NOT Shriners, ALL Shriners are very high degree Masons.

Yes, one of the tenets ( IT'S CALLED AN IDEAL, IN FREEMASONRY; IT IS NOT A RELIGION! )of Masonry is TOLERANCE ( i.e. regarding men of different religions ), something which the Catholic Church has been completely lacking in, for millennia.

269 posted on 06/15/2006 6:26:23 PM PDT by nopardons
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 267 | View Replies]

To: radar101

"I stopped going to a Catholic Church."

That's a shame. Bishops' opinions have nothing to do with the Faith, and different bishops have different opinions, anyway.


270 posted on 06/15/2006 6:27:55 PM PDT by Sun (Hillary had a D-/F rating on immigration; now she wants to build a wall????)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 16 | View Replies]

To: garbageseeker

Geez. Who has the time to write mental gymnastics like that? It's exhausting trying to wade through that mess -- as if the more words they can think up, the more valid their erroneous logic....


271 posted on 06/15/2006 6:31:48 PM PDT by EverOnward
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: EverOnward

The Bishops and Cardinals have all the time.


272 posted on 06/15/2006 6:44:15 PM PDT by garbageseeker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 271 | View Replies]

To: EverOnward
Bishops and Cardinals have all the time to make up the nonsense and spend the time how to justify them
273 posted on 06/15/2006 7:53:10 PM PDT by garbageseeker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 271 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur
They are on the "right side" of the issue. They believe in reinforcement of the borders, but in fair treatment for those who are in this country, and legalization if possible.

By that reasoning, if you catch a burglar breaking into to your house, you should adopt him as a family member.

Some family that would be. And, some country this will be if this insanity persists.

274 posted on 06/15/2006 9:39:34 PM PDT by Barnacle (Minutemen. Doing the work American politicians refuse to do.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 78 | View Replies]

To: nopardons
...you have ME to deal with and THAT is something you do NOT want; believe me!

Yeah, right. Lighten-up Francis.

275 posted on 06/15/2006 9:45:02 PM PDT by Barnacle (Minutemen. Doing the work American politicians refuse to do.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 266 | View Replies]

To: Barnacle

Butt out!


276 posted on 06/15/2006 9:46:02 PM PDT by nopardons
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 275 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur; garbageseeker
If you'll go back to 1985, they were advocating the same thing when the Reagan administration undertook immigration reform. There wasn't a peep out of anybody back then.

Scuse me... But, we weren't talking about 11,000,000 of them back then.

And, now in retrospect we can see that was a mistake since it fostered the present situation we have now.

What will you say five years from now when there are another 11,000,000 of them who come here illegally because they see what happened now? Let them stay too?

Hey! What about all the poor people over in Thailand? Why shouldn't they be able to come here? What about all those Christian refuges in Sudan? Why are we keeping them out?

Let's just dissolve the whole country into this big international theme park.

Press one for Spanish... Press two for Thai... Press three for Swahili... Press four for English... Press five for Chinese...

277 posted on 06/15/2006 9:56:55 PM PDT by Barnacle (Minutemen. Doing the work American politicians refuse to do.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 259 | View Replies]

To: nopardons
Butt out!

Make me, Bozo Boy.

278 posted on 06/15/2006 9:57:59 PM PDT by Barnacle (Minutemen. Doing the work American politicians refuse to do.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 276 | View Replies]

To: Barnacle

Oh, I see, you're just looking for a flame war. Well, little schoolyard bully baby, go try your luck with someone else.


279 posted on 06/15/2006 10:00:39 PM PDT by nopardons
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 278 | View Replies]

To: nopardons
Oh, I see, you're just looking for a flame war. Well, little schoolyard bully baby, go try your luck with someone else.

You got it backwards. Whose words are these?

"...you have ME to deal with and THAT is something you do NOT want; believe me!"

Those sound like the words of bully. I for one am letting you know that those kinds of threats are unwelcome here.

280 posted on 06/15/2006 10:12:11 PM PDT by Barnacle (Minutemen. Doing the work American politicians refuse to do.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 279 | View Replies]

To: Barnacle
The post wasn't made to YOU.

The person to whom I wrote those words understood them; which you don't.

You do NOT own FR; nor do YOU get to tell others what they may and may not do.

And though you long for a flame war, I suggest that you've picked the wrong person to grant you that desire.

281 posted on 06/15/2006 10:15:10 PM PDT by nopardons
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 280 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur
I belong to the Catholic Church sinkspur and I think rather than give our money to the church anymore that we should give it all to other charities that support illegals if that is what the church wants.

Of course IMO the Church is doing this for money and potential future Catholics, not for IMO the because it is only the right thing to do.

If they were doing this out of ethics we'd see them on a whole lot of other fronts this hard and heavy, like Africa. No money in some areas, so they are darn near silent.

There is money in illegals and the Church and that IMO is their interest.

At this point it is really pissing me off. Why not go to Mexico and scream on their streets about the corruption and crime that makes all these people come to America? But you will not see that because there is no money in that...

282 posted on 06/15/2006 10:26:16 PM PDT by A CA Guy (God Bless America, God bless and keep safe our fighting men and women.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 50 | View Replies]

To: Barnacle

I have no arguements with what you are saying.


283 posted on 06/15/2006 10:55:24 PM PDT by garbageseeker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 277 | View Replies]

To: A CA Guy

Bump


284 posted on 06/15/2006 10:57:24 PM PDT by garbageseeker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 282 | View Replies]

To: rocksblues
This lengthy document can be summarized as follws:

The Case for Legalization

The predicted population growth of non-birth control using immigrants from Mexico will transform the USA into a Roman Catholic nation within 2 generations ( 40 years)

That is enough reason for us to support the continued US policy on illegal aliens from Mexico in increments of 15 to 30 thousand per day.

US domestic policy and foreign policy would then in the future be properly aligned with that of the Holy See.

( BARF ALERT!)

285 posted on 06/16/2006 7:30:27 AM PDT by Candor7 ((Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: garbageseeker
No religious group should become politically dominant in the USA, for it would be the end of the Grand Experiment as we know the Republic. The government of the United Staes was carefully constructed to allow many kinds of freedoms to its populace, so the government of the United Staes , floating on a god fearing populace is one thing, but every one trying ti get into that boat will surely sink it.

I believe that the Roman Catholic Church in America is just another corporate lobbying group, and just as dangerous to our freedom as Abramoff and his running dogs, if not moreso.

286 posted on 06/16/2006 7:36:18 AM PDT by Candor7 ((Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 140 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur
I am a Freemason and Proud of it. There aren't enough Roman Catholics in the world to take awy my connection of Freemasonry to the founding fathers of our nation.

Notice how freedom of association by the RC church is suppressed by "BAN."

Who in hell do you think you are? No body bans any freedom of association in this country without paying a price and that price is ridicule.

I spit on your shadow and at your acceptance and spread of acceptance of a loss of freedom on this Republican list. Get thee to a nunnery!

287 posted on 06/16/2006 7:41:09 AM PDT by Candor7 ((Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 98 | View Replies]

To: garbageseeker
I also am a Mason. The fact that the Masonic secrets are to be withheld from the confessional is the real reason why the chuirch bans its congregation from being Masons. There aren't enough Roman Catolics in the World who coud act togethre to derrogate from my constitutional right of freedom of association with my brother free masons.

If you are a Roman Catholic and a Freemason, I salute and commend you and your sense of fraterity. The Church cannot stand fraternal organizations, ending the Prder of the Knoghts Templar hundreds of years ago ( Pope Clemement) and the Templars sought refuge with the Scottish Order of Free Mason. We have been at odds with the Roman Catholic Church ever since, and are proud of that fact.

If you are a Roman Catholic, you are not free, unless you undertsand and follow the self evident truth that all men crave freedom, one which is ignored by the Roman Catholic church.

I commend you for being a truly free Roman Catholic, and for having a lot more sense than many bleating sheep on this list who can only follow rather than to think for themselves, and who wrongly castigate you for it.

288 posted on 06/16/2006 7:49:25 AM PDT by Candor7 ((Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 90 | View Replies]

To: Candor7
I spit on your shadow and at your acceptance and spread of acceptance of a loss of freedom on this Republican list.

Typical Masonic behavior?

You are free to disagree with the Church's request that its members not join the Masons. You are also free to act like an ass on FR to make your point.

289 posted on 06/16/2006 8:00:08 AM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 287 | View Replies]

To: sinkspur
You bet, I will continue to be an ass in the cause of freedom of association, you can count on it.
290 posted on 06/16/2006 1:46:13 PM PDT by Candor7 ((Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 289 | View Replies]

To: Candor7

I wish to thank you friend.Your words are an inspiration.


291 posted on 06/16/2006 9:11:56 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Gentleman, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room - Dr. Strangelove)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 288 | View Replies]

To: nopardons
The post wasn't made to YOU.

If YOU want PRIVACY, write a LETTER.

The person to whom I wrote those words understood them; which you don't.

Well, if you meant your original comments as part of a tongue in cheek joke, I'm sorry. I was just responding directly to what you posted. But, you could have given me a clue early on that you were just joking.

You do NOT own FR; nor do YOU get to tell others what they may and may not do.

Nor do YOU. But, anyway. I will never again tell YOU to "lighten-up."

(I may however suggest you "chill out" or "take a pill".

292 posted on 06/17/2006 9:00:40 AM PDT by Barnacle (Minutemen. Doing the work American politicians refuse to do.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 281 | View Replies]

To: Candor7; garbageseeker
The fact that the Masonic secrets are to be withheld from the confessional is the real reason why the chuirch bans its congregation from being Masons.

Is that right? Or could it possibly be because of blatant anti-Catholicism such as, "If you are a Roman Catholic, you are not free, unless you understander and follow the self evident truth that all men crave freedom, one which is ignored by the Roman Catholic church."

As to,"There aren't enough Roman Catolics in the World who coud act togethre to derrogate from my constitutional right of freedom of association with my brother free masons."

No Catolic has the slightest interest in acting together or individually to "derrogate" from your constitutional right of freedom of association with your brother free masons. (Catholics could care less as well.)

The Church cannot stand fraternal organizations...

Right. Maybe you haven't heard of these guys?


293 posted on 06/17/2006 9:48:03 AM PDT by Barnacle (Spell check... What a concept!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 288 | View Replies]

To: caisson71

Matthew 22:21


294 posted on 06/18/2006 11:11:56 PM PDT by garbageseeker (Gentleman, you can't fight in here, this is the War Room - Dr. Strangelove)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 251 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first previous 1-50 ... 101-150151-200201-250251-294 last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson