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To: sourcery
If the police don't announce themselves, they leave themselves with no legal protection against righfully being shot and killed by the residents of the abode as they break and enter. The residents would be able to successfully argue self defense against unknown intruders, with reasonable justification to assume that the unknown, unannounced entrants had harmful intent.

Yeah. A jury's going to take the side of a bunch of scummy meth dealers when they kill a cop.

Are you high?

45 posted on 06/15/2006 8:24:57 AM PDT by sinkspur (Today, we settled all family business.)
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To: sinkspur
Yeah. A jury's going to take the side of a bunch of scummy meth dealers when they kill a cop.

Yes, they will--at least sometimes. I would, almost without exception. And then there's those cases where the cops get the wrong house.

51 posted on 06/15/2006 8:30:57 AM PDT by sourcery (A libertarian is a conservative who has been mugged ...by his own government)
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To: sinkspur
Yeah. A jury's going to take the side of a bunch of scummy meth dealers when they kill a cop.

And what about when the police make a mistake and go into the wrong address?
It happens, not nearly as often as some would like to make out, but it happens.

Does his argument hold any water then?

61 posted on 06/15/2006 8:38:32 AM PDT by Just another Joe (Warning: FReeping can be addictive and helpful to your mental health)
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To: sinkspur

It won't always be "scummy meth dealers".
It might be someone with something that was perfectly legal and reasonable, then suddenly redefined as illegal (as the BATFE has been doing lately).
It might be the neighbors of the "scummy meth dealers", invaded without warrant because the wrong house was targeted.
It might be someone who would cooperate when polite social procedure is followed, and who would fight when unknown invaders come crashing thru his door at 4AM.

Yes, the cops - with warrant - have a legal and constitutional approval to enter & search without being polite & patient. The occupants also have the right to act appropriately when strangers burst in unannounced without apparent cause. The two issues are not incompatible.


94 posted on 06/15/2006 10:44:39 AM PDT by ctdonath2
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To: sinkspur
Yeah. A jury's going to take the side of a bunch of scummy meth dealers when they kill a cop.

If it could be proven that the occupants of the house shot a police officer who did not announce himself before breaking down the door, I'd have a hard time voting for a conviction.

117 posted on 06/15/2006 12:06:37 PM PDT by jess35
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