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The Early Bird: Fossils Depict Aquatic Origins of Near-Modern Birds 115 Million Years Ago
University of Pennsylvania ^ | 15 June 2006 | Staff

Posted on 06/15/2006 11:39:26 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

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1 posted on 06/15/2006 11:39:31 AM PDT by PatrickHenry
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2 posted on 06/15/2006 11:40:39 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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Another gap filled. Good find.


3 posted on 06/15/2006 11:43:18 AM PDT by Coyoteman (Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death--Heinlein)
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To: Coyoteman

You look, you find.


4 posted on 06/15/2006 11:44:25 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: Coyoteman
Another gap filled.

Two more gaps opened.

5 posted on 06/15/2006 11:47:01 AM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
Two more gaps opened.

Mini-gaps. Not micro-gaps. Still, every new find is an opportunity to recycle the legend of Piltdown Man.

6 posted on 06/15/2006 11:50:52 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: PatrickHenry

I read about this earlier, but this article makes more sense! Thanks for the post


7 posted on 06/15/2006 11:50:55 AM PDT by united1000
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To: united1000
Another service of
Darwin Central
The conspiracy that cares

8 posted on 06/15/2006 11:51:57 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow

MR DUCKS.

MR NOT.

OSAR.

CM WANGS.

LIB!

MR DUCKS.


9 posted on 06/15/2006 11:52:16 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: PatrickHenry

"Gansus likely behaved much like its modern relatives..." It's possible that's because they were created, not evolved? ;-)


10 posted on 06/15/2006 11:55:22 AM PDT by Abigail Adams
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To: PatrickHenry

Excellent research.


11 posted on 06/15/2006 11:55:30 AM PDT by hawkaw
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To: PatrickHenry

I was hoping for nano-gaps, but whatever. Anyway, you don't have to reach back to Piltdown. Once upon a time, some Chinese farmer jammed two new (and real) fossil bird progenitors together to make one, but instead of one fossil and two gaps, you got two fossils and three gaps when people realized what he did. This is evidence that all fossil evidence of bird evolution is fake. Or something.


12 posted on 06/15/2006 11:56:01 AM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
This is evidence that all fossil evidence of bird evolution is fake. Or something.

Yes. It's the "Pierre the Bridge Builder" interpretation.

13 posted on 06/15/2006 11:58:19 AM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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"Gansus is very close to a modern bird and helps fill in the big gap between clearly non-modern birds and the explosion of early birds that marked the Cretaceous period, the final era of the Dinosaur Age," said Peter Dodson, professor of anatomy at Penns School of Veterinary Medicine and professor in Penns Department of Earth and Environmental Sciences. "Gansus is the oldest example of the nearly modern birds that branched off of the trunk of the family tree that began with the famous proto-bird Archaeopteryx."

"helps fill in the big gap"

ok

1) then in laymans terms, is this an example of fossil record of intermediate speciation?

2) is there any indication of what happened to the heads?

"Gansus is something of a lost species, originally described from a fossil leg found in 1983, but since largely ignored by science. The five specimens described by Dodson and his colleagues had many of the anatomical traits of modern birds, including feathers, bone structure and webbed feet, although every specimen lacked a skull."

apparently, these fossils were fragments, and were assembled by the authors...

3) are you satisified with their conclusions?



14 posted on 06/15/2006 12:05:38 PM PDT by kralcmot (my tagline died with Terri)
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2) is there any indication of what happened to the heads?

Yes, a small mink-like creature subsided only upon the heads of these birds, thus it is extremely unlikely we will ever find an intact specimen.

(The above was a joke.)

15 posted on 06/15/2006 12:09:49 PM PDT by ahayes ("If intelligent design evolved from creationism, then why are there still creationists?"--Quark2005)
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To: PatrickHenry

Thanks for the ping!


16 posted on 06/15/2006 12:18:15 PM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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So they find a 115 million-year-old duck, and that somehow fills a gap? We have ducks now, with the same features they found in this fossil. The entire article gave no reason why we should think this bird was any different other than in size from modern birds, and they even call it a "near-modern" bird.

And then there's the little problem of not actually having the bird's head.


17 posted on 06/15/2006 12:22:03 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: kralcmot
are you satisified with their conclusions?

I haven't read the original paper, so I don't know. What I posted was only a press release. What's your opinion?

18 posted on 06/15/2006 12:22:45 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: kralcmot

Maybe they didn't have heads, and heads evolved later.


19 posted on 06/15/2006 12:24:33 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: CharlesWayneCT

Amazing, you read the actual journal article? That's an achievement considering it hasn't shown up on the web yet. *drums fingers impatiently*


20 posted on 06/15/2006 12:25:26 PM PDT by ahayes ("If intelligent design evolved from creationism, then why are there still creationists?"--Quark2005)
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