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Papers Show 'Gloomy State" of Insurgency
http://news.yahoo.com/fc/world/iraq ^

Posted on 06/15/2006 1:52:46 PM PDT by downtownconservative

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To: downtownconservative
As I see it, the following statements have now been debunked. If I'm wrong, correct me. If these statements are, in fact, "no longer operative," then the MSM has a lot of recalibratin' ta do:

Saddam had no connections to terrorism pre-US invasion

Al Qaeda was not operational in Iraq pre-US invasion

The US mission in Iraq is failing to deliver a democratically-elected government in Iraq

Iraq cannot field substantial numbers of security troops

The invasion of Iraq is not helping protect the US from terrorists, rather it is hurting those efforts

Al Qaeda is winning; we have lost blood and treasure for nothing

Invading Iraq was all about oil

Middle Eastern countries can't handle anything other than Saddam-like dictatorships

Only the UN, and certainly not the US alone, can bring order to Iraq

I'm not trying to overstate our successes or diminish the work to be done. I'm just saying that apparently the MSM have been taken by surprise, when they were supposed to be objectively monitoring the situation there.

21 posted on 06/15/2006 2:05:46 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: ModerateGOOPer; ohioWfan; Peach; Howlin; MikefromOhio; Darksheare
With this administration, I wouldn't put it past them
Oh boy. A n00b basher. GOOPer, we hardly knew ye.
22 posted on 06/15/2006 2:06:26 PM PDT by ARealMothersSonForever (Political troglodyte with a partisan axe to grind)
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To: downtownconservative

Send in Dr. Phil!


23 posted on 06/15/2006 2:06:37 PM PDT by Thrusher ("...there is no peace without victory.")
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To: downtownconservative
There was no way to independently confirm the authenticity of the information attributed to al-Qaida.

Odd how I don't see similar qualifiers at the end of stories on Haditha.

24 posted on 06/15/2006 2:06:49 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: downtownconservative; P-Marlowe; 68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub; MeekOneGOP; jude24
There was no way to independently confirm the authenticity of the information attributed to al-Qaida.

Too bad they didn't give our Marines at least this much benefit of the doubt. But, there they are again....carrying water for the insurgents. Making sure the readers know this could be propaganda.

This defensiveness on the media's part tells me one thing: they know that the US is winning this war and that the terrorists are slowly being ground down to nothing.

Just the fact that Zarqawi was betrayed by one of his own says that the terrorists have a significant segment who no longer believe they can win.

And that is the best definition of victory: when the new government is established in the minds of the Iraqis.

25 posted on 06/15/2006 2:09:25 PM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It. Supporting our Troops Means Praying for them to Win!)
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To: ModerateGOOPer

"President Bush - Saving your ass whether you like it or not!"


26 posted on 06/15/2006 2:11:57 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: downtownconservative

jane harmon on w/ John Gibson said this indicated nothing since there is NO independent verification of their authenticity. JUST AS RUSH PREDICTED!!!


27 posted on 06/15/2006 2:12:02 PM PDT by lawdude (Murtha: SPEAK LIES TO THE WEAK!)
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To: downtownconservative

Definitely NOT Jack Murtha's fault.


28 posted on 06/15/2006 2:13:42 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: lawdude

She needs to call up the CBS document experts to verify them.


29 posted on 06/15/2006 2:14:35 PM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: Darkwolf377
I'm not trying to overstate our successes or diminish the work to be done.

Things are definitely looking far better than the MSM are reporting.

The announcement by Maliki of a possible amnesty can help the situation with not only getting some insurgents to lay down their weapons but take away any excuses later from those who continue to fight.

Yesterday at the President's news conference he mentioned that Maliki was going to enforce the weapons ban in Baghdad, that's the only mention I've heard of it. MSM didn't want to play that up I guess.

30 posted on 06/15/2006 2:15:19 PM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: downtownconservative
Gees, al Qaeda is in the same boat these days singing the blues with those who claim they're invincible.
31 posted on 06/15/2006 2:15:58 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (The MSM is "the propaganda arm of our enemies." - Jack Kelly)
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To: lawdude
JUST AS RUSH PREDICTED!!!

Liberals are soooo predictible. Their spouses must find life with them boring, after the first 6 months.

32 posted on 06/15/2006 2:16:19 PM PDT by syriacus (6/13/06 Michael Moore probably thinks Bush secretly had himself crowned Emperor of Iraq today)
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To: lawdude

"Fake but accurate."


33 posted on 06/15/2006 2:16:49 PM PDT by Jim Robinson
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An Iraqi today got off a great line today when the authenticity of the document was questioned. He said we can be sure it is valid since it was found on thumb drive in Zarqawi's pocket.
34 posted on 06/15/2006 2:17:30 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (The MSM is "the propaganda arm of our enemies." - Jack Kelly)
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To: lawdude

Jane Harmon has been losing her marbles quite consistently lately on the Iraq issue. I think she's getting tremendous pressure (threats) from the RAT masters. Sorry to see it, she was usually a fairly reliable voice of reason from the rodent side.


35 posted on 06/15/2006 2:19:05 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (“Double or triple our troubles and we would still be better off than any people on earth.”---Reagan)
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Re: Post # 21 by Darkwolf377
Very well said!


36 posted on 06/15/2006 2:19:14 PM PDT by Califelephant (Liberals: "We've always been soft on criminals, but now we're soft on terrorists too.")
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To: jazusamo
So I guess when we finally start pulling troops out it will be the story after the second station break for the evening news?

My point in posting this is that the MSM have been caught with their agenda sticking out, once again. I don't think most people care because I don't think they trust the media to portray the news accurately.

But in the long run I think this helps Bush and the Republicans, as things they claim are becoming obvious to even the densest DUmmie. (Which of course makes them hate Bush more.)

37 posted on 06/15/2006 2:19:31 PM PDT by Darkwolf377
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To: Jim Robinson

They'll just have to reverse that headline on this story.


38 posted on 06/15/2006 2:19:40 PM PDT by mainepatsfan
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To: Darkwolf377
The info came off of Zarqawi's thumb drive found in his pocket, so those who are saying it might not be valid are engaging in wishful defeatist's thinking.
39 posted on 06/15/2006 2:20:22 PM PDT by elhombrelibre (The MSM is "the propaganda arm of our enemies." - Jack Kelly)
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To: downtownconservative

And this is BEFORE Zarqawi's death and all the raids and dead terrorists as a result.


40 posted on 06/15/2006 2:21:49 PM PDT by Flightdeck (Go Longhorns)
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