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Hitchens, Haditha, and My Lai
Real Clear Politics ^ | June 14, 2006 | Paul McNellis

Posted on 06/17/2006 6:37:11 AM PDT by DJ Taylor

Whether it takes a shoehorn or a crowbar, the Mainstream Media have decided that all Iraq reporting must be squeezed into the Vietnam template. Thus the immediate link, before we had any facts, between Haditha and My Lai. But Christopher Hitchens is having none of it.

"All the glib talk about My Lai," Hitchens writes, "is so much propaganda and hot air." Indeed, any comparison between Iraq and Vietnam offends Hitchens, not because the comparison might be a slander against American troops in Iraq, but rather because it slanders the Viet Cong. For in Vietnam, unlike Iraq, according to Hitchens, the Americans

were vainly attempting to defeat a people's army with high morale and exalted standards. I, for one, will not have them insulted by any comparison to the forces of Zarqawi, the Fedayeen Saddam, and the criminal world now arrayed against us. These depraved elements are the Khmer Rouge.

In an earlier article for Slate, Hitchens explained "why there is no reasonable parallel of any sort between Iraq and Vietnam." Let's consider Hitchens' claim against the background of the following press accounts.

For weeks in advance, Al Qaeda had roamed the countryside, making their position grimly clear: the village elections were an "American trick," and candidates for office would be assassinated and blown up. Then, just to make sure that the villagers got the message, Al Quaeda terrorists methodically murdered four candidates and kidnapped ten others as election day drew near.

Or this story.

"Demons weep, God grieves, and anyone who goes out will vomit blood." Such was the fearful forecast that Al Qaeda agents circulated ... to discourage those who were inclined to go to the polls ...

Or, from a story describing the killing of 100 villagers.

Thursday's attack had been preceded by warnings. Al Qaeda had left notes warning villagers that they would be beheaded unless they stopped collaborating with the Americans.

I must confess, I have altered the above quotations, though only slightly. If you replace "Al Qaeda" with "The Viet Cong," you have the verbatim accounts from Newsweek, April 17, 1967, Newsweek, September 19, 1966, and The Washington Post, June 16, 1970.

In a cover story on My Lai, Time magazine (Dec. 5, 1969) also included a sidebar report titled, "On the Other Side: Terror as Policy." The story begins:

For shocked Americans, what happened at My Lai seems an awful aberration. For the Communists in Vietnam, the murder of civilians is routine, purposeful policy. Terror is a part of the guerillas' arsenal of intimidation, to be used whenever other methods of persuasion have failed to rally a village or province round the Viet Cong flag.

In a long war, no one knows just how many civilians have been attacked by the Communists. The U.S. has listed well over 100,000 separate incidents of terrorism against the South Vietnamese population since 1958. During the past eleven years, the Communists are known to have killed more than 26,000 South Vietnamese, injured hundreds of thousands, kidnapped at least 60,000 in their campaign of terror.

The story goes on to describe the massacre at the Montagnard village of Dak Son in 1967. A year earlier the villagers had fled the Communists for the South Vietnamese government side. For the crime of refusing to change their minds and their political allegiance, the Viet Cong attacked the village with flamethrowers and then executed the 60 villagers who survived the initial attack. As Time concludes: "Altogether, 252 unarmed Montagnards, nearly all of them women and children, were murdered, 100 kidnapped, 500 listed as missing."

But surely there is some exaggeration here, for killing on such a scale would have been more widely reported at the time, would it not? Not really. Newsweek (May 15, 1967), in a summary of terror incidents it described as "typical," concluded:

Since mid-1957, long before U.S. troops were on the scene, incidents like these have been a routine affair in South Vietnam--so routine that most Vietnam-based correspondents no longer find them newsworthy.

Notice the date on the above report: 1967, before the Tet offensive. The "exalted standards" of the Viet Cong, which Hitchens so much admires, were on full display during the Tet offensive, especially in the city of Hue. While they held the city, Viet Cong cadre went from house to house with specially prepared "blood lists" of enemies to be eliminated. When South Vietnamese government troops retook the city, they eventually found mass graves containing nearly 3,000 bodies.

Is Hitchens aware of this history? It's hard to tell. Hitchens claims that "No car bomb or hijacking or suicide-bombing or comparable atrocity was ever committed by the Vietnamese, on American or any other foreign soil." Does Hitchens mean there were no atrocities, or that they occurred only on Vietnamese soil? If the former, it is simply false; if the latter, what difference would it make if you were Vietnamese? Nor does Hitchens mention the gulag that spread over Vietnam after 1975, the boat people, the expulsion of ethnic Chinese, or the stultifying intellectual life and lack of freedom in today's Vietnam.

Hitchens is correct that Haditha is not My Lai. And even if Haditha proves to be as bad as the worst press reports would have it, it will not be My Lai. But Hitchens' claims notwithstanding, there are some parallels between Vietnam and Iraq. To be classified an "enemy of the people" by the Viet Cong or an "infidel" by Al Qaeda yields similar results: your humanity is denied, and your life becomes expendable as you become a mere means to someone else's ends.

There were millions in South Vietnam who did not want the "liberation" the Communist north imposed on them, just as there are probably millions in Iraq who want no part of the new Caliphate. Hitchens will no doubt reject this reading of Vietnamese Communism, but I can only suggest that he have more conversations with Vietnamese Americans.

Although Hitchens sees his current position on Iraq as entirely consistent with his earlier antiwar principles, I think his former colleagues at The Nation are right: He's changed more than they have. This time around he is opposed to the forces of oppression, and that's why he's more interesting to read than they are.


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KEYWORDS: classicalliberalism; haditha; hitchens; iraq; mylai; vietnam
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"To be classified an "enemy of the people" by the Viet Cong or an "infidel" by Al Qaeda yields similar results: your humanity is denied, and your life becomes expendable as you become a mere means to someone else's ends."
1 posted on 06/17/2006 6:37:16 AM PDT by DJ Taylor
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To: DJ Taylor
Soon there must be a high profile law suit for libel or slander to straighten the media out. These POSs need a few million bucks in civil damages for misreprting and ruining military careers with thier foolishness. Hitting a liberal newspaper in the pocketbook really makes them sit up and notice, screaming big time. Maybe the award would be big enough to drive one of them out of business.

Its past time for that to happen. I would contribute heavily to the litigation fund of any soldier who has a good case and wants to take them on.

2 posted on 06/17/2006 6:46:02 AM PDT by Candor7 ((Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: DJ Taylor
"But Hitchens' claims notwithstanding, there are some parallels between Vietnam and Iraq"

That's like saying there's some parallels between every war on the planet, after all in every war, you try to kill as many of the enemy as you can.
This guy is clutching at straws.
Hitchens is right
3 posted on 06/17/2006 6:46:10 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: DJ Taylor

If not challenged... history will always be re-written. Hitchens was... and still is... a liberal. He is simply continuing to do what countless other liberals have done since we abandoned South Vietnam.


4 posted on 06/17/2006 6:48:58 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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To: DJ Taylor
Thunderous applause!
5 posted on 06/17/2006 6:57:29 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: johnny7

At least Hitch recognizes that the forces of Islamic Jihad are aggressive, serious, murderous, and need to be suppressed by force. An insight that hasn't occurred to too many liberals.


6 posted on 06/17/2006 7:04:31 AM PDT by Mrs. Don-o (Ius in bellum.)
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To: johnny7
Hitchens is admirable in his clear view of the threat of Muslim extremism, but as far as Vietnam goes, forget it. His opinions on that matter are forever ingrained, and he'll be defending the nobility of the Viet Cong until his dying day.

As the saying goes, "You can't reason a man out of a position he wasn't reasoned in to". Let's just be happy that he's on board with today's threat.

7 posted on 06/17/2006 7:12:32 AM PDT by Steel Wolf (- Islam will never survive being laughed at. -)
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To: Candor7

High profile lawsuit for libel or slander?It would be satisfying,but "journalists" hide behind free speech.I'm not a lawyer,but i believe you have to show malicious intent in order to collect damages.The only way to put these folks out of business is to show the American people that the vast majority of the msm are anti-US and anti-democracy.I'd go even further and say they're marxists as well,but how do you prove it?


8 posted on 06/17/2006 7:12:46 AM PDT by Thombo2
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To: DJ Taylor

I'd like to read a Hitchens reply to this


9 posted on 06/17/2006 7:19:48 AM PDT by nuconvert ([there's a lot of bad people in the pistachio business])
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To: Thombo2
you have to show malicious intent in order to collect damages

That is true, but what I have seen actually is malicious intent.

Why else would the media brand these soldiers as rank killers and name several of them, without any facts.

The MSM drive by media is maliciously against the war and they need to pay for the attempted ruination of several military careers. What they have done here is far beyoond fair comment and the license of free speech.

10 posted on 06/17/2006 7:26:58 AM PDT by Candor7 ((Into Liberal flatulance goes the best hope of the West, and who wants to be a smart feller?)
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To: Thombo2

You only need to prove malicious intent when the target of defamation was a "public figure". There hapless Jarheads sitting in a brig were not and are not public figures, but the media has ruined them. Actual harm caused by reports made with reckless disregard of the truth or falsity of claims.


11 posted on 06/17/2006 7:27:27 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: DJ Taylor
The basic difference is scale; the North Vietnamese maintained a functioning gov't over more than half the "country" (of Vietnam) and were supplied heartily by the Chinese. We couldnt bomb Hanoi or mine their harbors.

Al Qaeda might "rule" a couple towns, and then they might not. .It truly is apples and oranges, but for other reasons than Hitchens suggests

12 posted on 06/17/2006 7:35:09 AM PDT by Nonstatist
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To: shalom aleichem

Thanks for clarifying for me.Maybe a suit would be successful?This is(sort of)off topic,but didn't the security guard(wrongly)identified as the bomber in Atlanta a few years back win some $$$ in court?


13 posted on 06/17/2006 7:35:37 AM PDT by Thombo2
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To: Jameison

Hitchens is an unreconstructed Trotskyite and has never been a conservative. He's also a two-faced hypocrite which the author very deftly points out. The left can have him.


14 posted on 06/17/2006 7:36:19 AM PDT by laconic
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To: johnny7

I agree. But for a liberal, Hitchens does come down on the right side from time to time. A stopped clock and all that..


15 posted on 06/17/2006 7:46:29 AM PDT by cardinal4 (Allah is the opium pipedream of a desert pedophile...Freeper Ax)
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To: Thombo2

Right. That was Richard Jewell. Also, When Ho Lee of the Los Alamos secret labs also brought a successful claim against media (and government leakers).
http://ipbiz.blogspot.com/2006/06/wen-ho-lee-case-settles-on-june-2.html


16 posted on 06/17/2006 7:47:22 AM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: laconic
"Hitchens is an unreconstructed Trotskyite and has never been a conservative. "

Is Hitchens a conservative?
Nope.
But he's one of the strongest and most erudite supporters of the WOT I know.
And Hitchens is right. There is simply no way Iraq is Vietnam
17 posted on 06/17/2006 7:48:48 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: DJ Taylor

Hitchens has a point, though, that the Left debases itself when they identify the terrorist cause as some sort of "legitimate people's struggle." It's exactly the opposite.


18 posted on 06/17/2006 7:51:39 AM PDT by denydenydeny ("Osama... made the mistake of confusing media conventional wisdom with reality" (Mark Steyn))
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To: Mrs. Don-o
This time around he is opposed to the forces of oppression, and that's why he's more interesting to read than they are. Hitchens is human, and it is human nature to remember the past live, from the perspective of what you wanted rather than what was reality. Hitchens' view of this conflict in Iraq id clored most by his fondness for the amazing Kurds in the North. To twist a Rushism, 'He's not always right, but he's never wrong' in his own mind.
19 posted on 06/17/2006 8:11:39 AM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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To: cardinal4
He should'a left out the revisionist history.
20 posted on 06/17/2006 8:22:49 AM PDT by johnny7 (“And what's Fonzie like? Come on Yolanda... what's Fonzie like?!”)
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