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Iraqi Document: Highly Radioactive Atomic Neutron Device (Translation)
Pentagon/FMSO website for Iraq Pre-war documents ^ | June 18 2006 | jveritas

Posted on 06/18/2006 7:08:27 PM PDT by jveritas

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To: jveritas

Wow, you sure can miss a lot when you don't FReep for a couple of days. This is a VERY interesting find. The media and usual suspects both here and overseas will ignore this, claiming it's not a smoking gun, just the way South Korea claims North Korea's ICBM isn't necessary to be used as a weapon so it's OK.


101 posted on 06/19/2006 6:29:23 AM PDT by cake_crumb (One presidential visit to Baghdad is worth 1000 pathetic declarations of defeat from the left)
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To: jveritas
Emphasizing from post 92.


"• Tantalum metal sheets for making crucibles to cast atomic bomb cores. "
102 posted on 06/19/2006 6:29:26 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: jveritas

And we found a container labelled as cesium at one base. It was in an isolated bunker-like container and on a base in Al Anbar that hosted Iraqi biochem warfare training.


103 posted on 06/19/2006 6:35:32 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: cake_crumb
just the way South Korea claims North Korea's ICBM isn't necessary to be used as a weapon so it's OK.

Did they really say this? That is dumb beyond belief.

104 posted on 06/19/2006 6:35:45 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas
I hear ya! However, it burns me up that the Administration via the President and other leaders threw up its collective hands, declared in essence or by inference that our intelligence was faulty, no WMD's have been found, and that we were wrong, wrong, wrong.

Yet, to me, the book has NOT been closed. IMO the Administration stupidly jumped the gun, and any and all PR should have not been so conclusive, nor should it be today.

But then, the Administration's PR has been a disaster on just about any issue almost from the gitgo.

Leni

105 posted on 06/19/2006 6:36:32 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Mi casa es su casa. Mi pais es su pais. Mi dinero es su dinero. Mi..............)
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To: jveritas
I hear ya! However, it burns me up that the Administration via the President and other leaders threw up its collective hands, declared in essence or by inference that our intelligence was faulty, no WMD's have been found, and that we were wrong, wrong, wrong.

Yet, to me, the book has NOT been closed. IMO the Administration stupidly jumped the gun, and any and all PR should have not been so conclusive, nor should it be today.

But then, the Administration's PR has been a disaster on just about any issue almost from the gitgo.

Leni

106 posted on 06/19/2006 6:36:33 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Mi casa es su casa. Mi pais es su pais. Mi dinero es su dinero. Mi..............)
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To: Wonder Warthog

The media SHOULD be paying attention: a neutron generator+a highly radioactive "source"+Tantalum coated graphite=nothing short of bomb building.


107 posted on 06/19/2006 6:36:39 AM PDT by cake_crumb (One presidential visit to Baghdad is worth 1000 pathetic declarations of defeat from the left)
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To: Calpernia
The crucibles and other parts of this system that come into contact with molten uranium or uranium alloys are made of, or protected by, materials of suitable corrosion and heat resistance. Suitable materials include tantalum, yttria-coated graphite, graphite coated with other rare earth oxides or mixtures thereof.

A mixture thereof of Tantalum and Graphite is PROHIBITED. In this case we have Tantalum Coated Graphite, that is absolutely “Prohibited”.

108 posted on 06/19/2006 6:39:13 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: MinuteGal
Sorry for the duplicate comments.

One little involuntary pre-coffee thumb-spasm and the Double-Post Monster strikes immediately and without mercy.

Leni

109 posted on 06/19/2006 6:41:00 AM PDT by MinuteGal (Mi casa es su casa. Mi pais es su pais. Mi dinero es su dinero. Mi..............)
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To: jveritas

Bump!


110 posted on 06/19/2006 6:43:17 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: MinuteGal

LOL!


111 posted on 06/19/2006 6:43:43 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: MinuteGal

I agree that the administration gave up the WMD fight very early. As I said to find the WMD or program related to it must require a long time and much harder work, the ISG did take the right time to do so. The administration was under a lot of pressure to accept the findings of the ISG. I hope that the great news that has been coming from Iraq lately will encourage them to open the subject of WMD again.


112 posted on 06/19/2006 6:43:58 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas
They sure did. Here's the link
113 posted on 06/19/2006 6:46:33 AM PDT by cake_crumb (One presidential visit to Baghdad is worth 1000 pathetic declarations of defeat from the left)
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To: Eagle Eye
Thanks for the information, I did not know this. I suspect that the WMD weapons or its Precursors are buried in the Western Desert i.e. the Anbar Province. The documents that I have translated few weeks ago talks about burying a container of Chemical Materials next to Fallujah in the Anbar province please see http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1642403/posts
114 posted on 06/19/2006 6:47:58 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

Not sure if this has come up- but hasn't David Kay been completely off the radar since his report? It may not be significant- but it just seemes odd.


115 posted on 06/19/2006 6:48:42 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: jveritas

I *might* have a picture of this, but I somehow lost some before I left country. But I still have the pics of DMS (actually posted once on FR). And one to make you laugh, if I can find it, is a pic of a container of "red mercury".

I think that Saddam was looking for a "doomsday" weapon and his top aids were afraid to dissappoint him.


116 posted on 06/19/2006 6:53:50 AM PDT by Eagle Eye (There ought to be a law against excess legislation.)
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To: cake_crumb
"The media SHOULD be paying attention: a neutron generator+a highly radioactive "source"+Tantalum coated graphite=nothing short of bomb building."

Sorry, but no it's not. The neutron "source" described is of no use whatsoever in nuclear weaponry. It's standard technology in any nuclear research.

117 posted on 06/19/2006 6:54:03 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: jveritas; MinuteGal
IMO, the administration isn't talking about the WMD until they have unequivocal proof. They allowed France and Kerry to hinge this intire portion of the war on terror completely on WMD's and "smoking guns".

The administration took a serious pounding on it that won't be soon forgotten. Even now, the media will accept nothing less than the famous "smoking gun"....though when it IS found, the media and rest of the left will claim it was planted by the Americans to protect the administration or that it's a pre-Gulf War weapon. We all know the drill and the tactics they'll use.

118 posted on 06/19/2006 6:54:23 AM PDT by cake_crumb (One presidential visit to Baghdad is worth 1000 pathetic declarations of defeat from the left)
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To: Wonder Warthog

OK, if you say so. I'm getting a lot of conflicting information.


119 posted on 06/19/2006 6:58:03 AM PDT by cake_crumb (One presidential visit to Baghdad is worth 1000 pathetic declarations of defeat from the left)
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To: Eagle Eye

Thank you very much for your service.


120 posted on 06/19/2006 7:29:15 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: SE Mom

>>>>hasn't David Kay been completely off the radar since his report?

and/or since the release of the PreWarDocs.

Wonder if that is significant also.


121 posted on 06/19/2006 7:54:06 AM PDT by Calpernia (Breederville.com)
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To: Peach; jveritas
Yesterday, Chris Wallace asked Tony Snow if he knew about the new information on WMD's in Iraq; Tony said he didn't.

Yes, I saw it too and something seemed a little strange when Tony answered. Maybe I'm wrong but it was like Tony didn't want to talk about it for some reason.

122 posted on 06/19/2006 8:25:17 AM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: Peach

That is interesting. May be there is some new information about WMD that is being leaked to the media but the administration is not willing to talk about it at the moment.


123 posted on 06/19/2006 8:28:21 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jazusamo

Was there any follow up question to Tony Snow on this subject or that was it?


124 posted on 06/19/2006 8:29:25 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

No, it was just dropped, but it was just the way it seemed to me, like strange.


125 posted on 06/19/2006 8:31:29 AM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: jveritas
That is interesting. May be there is some new information about WMD that is being leaked to the media but the administration is not willing to talk about it at the moment.

That's kind of what it seemed like to me.

126 posted on 06/19/2006 8:34:34 AM PDT by jazusamo (DIANA IREY for Congress, PA 12th District: Retire murtha.)
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To: Tarantulas
The P in the P-Be source designation is for proton - Beryllium, not phosphorous, I think. My memory is a little cloudy for this stuff in that my training was > 25 yrs ago...
127 posted on 06/19/2006 9:37:00 AM PDT by HangnJudge
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To: jazusamo

"Treasure troves of evidence" ping...

Heheehe...


128 posted on 06/19/2006 9:42:00 AM PDT by Capn TrVth
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To: jveritas

>>They will not be interested because these fact contradicts all the lies they have been spewing for the last 3 years against the Iraq war and President Bush.<<

I dont see how this contradicts anything. This isn't a wreapon or even anything you could make a weapon out of.


129 posted on 06/19/2006 10:53:17 AM PDT by gondramB (We may have done a lill' bit of fightin amongst ourselves but you outside people best leave us alone)
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To: gondramB

This device was not allowed to be used by the Iraqis, it was a prohibited item as per the UN document I attached in the thread. Also the Tantalum Coated Graphite is even more of problem because it was very clear on page 84 and 133 that a combination of Tantalum and Graphite (mixture thereof) was totally prohibited because this was listed under the prohibited nuclear activities since it is mainly used to resist the highly corrosive Uranium HexaFluoride (UF6) which is the main ingredient for Enriched Uranium.


130 posted on 06/19/2006 10:59:10 AM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jazusamo

John Fund, Rush Limbaugh, Chris Wallace...hmmm

When Rush mentioned this he finished up with a very positive hint of things to come ..

From hearing him it seemed he wasn't only referring to Fund's article..


131 posted on 06/19/2006 11:03:41 AM PDT by SE Mom (Proud mom of an Iraq war combat vet)
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To: U S Army EOD

Wow.


132 posted on 06/19/2006 11:09:18 AM PDT by txhurl
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To: jveritas

Thanks.


133 posted on 06/19/2006 12:00:04 PM PDT by shield (A wise man's heart is at his RIGHT hand; but a fool's heart at his LEFT. Ecc. 10:2)
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To: jveritas

>>This device was not allowed to be used by the Iraqis, it was a prohibited item as per the UN document I attached in the thread. Also the Tantalum Coated Graphite is even more of problem because it was very clear on page 84 and 133 that a combination of Tantalum and Graphite (mixture thereof) was totally prohibited because this was listed under the prohibited nuclear activities since it is mainly used to resist the highly corrosive Uranium HexaFluoride (UF6) which is the main ingredient for Enriched Uranium.<<

It was a banned device. It was a test insturment that is used to either calibrate radiation measurements or irradiate small items. In a U.S. lab it would, for example, used to calibrate new sets of radiation badges the emplyees and visitors have to wear. Some of the componants of the device were also banned. The device is would be useful for someone working illegimately with nuclear research.

That is not sufficient to effect the justifcation for invasion one way or the other. Its news but its not big news.


134 posted on 06/19/2006 12:32:38 PM PDT by gondramB (We may have done a lill' bit of fightin amongst ourselves but you outside people best leave us alone)
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To: gondramB

That is one of many things about Iraq hidden WMD, or WMD research and programs. I did not say that we found the smoking gun here; however it is one of many things these documents have shown so far regarding WMD and its programs and many more to come in the future.


135 posted on 06/19/2006 12:38:13 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas
>>That is one of many things about Iraq hidden WMD, or WMD research and programs. I did not say that we found the smoking gun here; however it is one of many things these documents have shown so far regarding WMD and its programs and many more to come in the future.<<

I think its clear that Saddam wanted nukes and made some efforts in spite of the ban. But there were not substantial WMDs in the country on the day of the invasion and thus it will be difficult to change public opinion even with 100 discoveries of test equipment and paperwork.

I think we'd be better not trying to debate the invasion but instead should focus on the successes there, the humanitarian abuses of Saddam and obligation we have to finish the job we started. That's the only way the public will support the war again.
136 posted on 06/19/2006 12:44:47 PM PDT by gondramB (We may have done a lill' bit of fightin amongst ourselves but you outside people best leave us alone)
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To: gondramB
The Public Support, as in general population of adults means absolutely nothing on how we conduct this war. President Bush is going to fight this war even if he is the only person left to support it. As long as we have a Commander in Chief willing to fight this war, as long a our brave troops are fighting this war, as long as we keep our control of Congress, the finance of the war will keep going on, and thus we will keep fighting until we achieve the ultimate victory against the war on terror. Even if the democrats win by any chance a control of one chamber of Congress they will not have enough vote to stop the finance of war. So form practical point of view this General Public Opinion is meaningless. Please accustom yourself to 40% of or so of "adults" supporting the war (which is a slim majority of "real voters") and 60% of "adults" not supporting it (which is a minority of "real voters"). I hope you are one of the 40%.
137 posted on 06/19/2006 1:16:53 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: gondramB

Also Ignore the polls, because those who live by the polls will die by the polls. If you want a proof look at the democrats.


138 posted on 06/19/2006 1:18:37 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas

Yead, but they don't have anything with the letters "WMD" on it. /sarc


139 posted on 06/19/2006 1:40:23 PM PDT by theDentist (Qwerty ergo typo : I type, therefore I misspelll. 17,406+ snide replies and counting!)
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To: jveritas
Telling information. thank you.

A second factor we often dismiss is that "intelligence" - even if it IS based on incepted documents or email or physical reports we've found and copied before the war are ONLY as good as the person who wrote them, or who spoke the words that were heard by satellite.

If he (the originator) was lying to Saddamn, or exaggerating and emphasizing "HIS" weapons to Saddamn to say out of trouble or to avoid getting shot be reporting bad news, then ALL of our intelligence will predict weapons and masses and numbers that will make the Iraqi army look better.

So, if they were lying to Saddam, how can WE outside spy agencies, get the real information? Ignore the physical documents and reports and try to infiltrate unknown weapons sites to prove the documents are false?
140 posted on 06/19/2006 2:00:21 PM PDT by Robert A. Cook, PE (I can only donate monthly, but Hillary's ABBCNNBCBS continue to lie every day!)
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To: Robert A. Cook, PE
So, if they were lying to Saddam, how can WE outside spy agencies, get the real information? Ignore the physical documents and reports and try to infiltrate unknown weapons sites to prove the documents are false?

Great post.

141 posted on 06/19/2006 2:17:43 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: jveritas
>>The Public Support, as in general population of adults means absolutely nothing on how we conduct this war. President Bush is going to fight this war even if he is the only person left to support it.<<

Its important for midterms. Yes the President is staying the course but we need to elect congressfolk that won't do something stupid.


>> Please accustom yourself to 40% of or so of "adults" supporting the war (which is a slim majority of "real voters") and 60% of "adults" not supporting it (which is a minority of "real voters"). I hope you are one of the 40%.<<

"Supporting the war" is actually several different categories. The important number isn't the portion who think invading was a good idea. The important number is the percent who want to cut and run. That percent is thankfully less than 50% even for Democrats.
142 posted on 06/19/2006 3:01:40 PM PDT by gondramB (We may have done a lill' bit of fightin amongst ourselves but you outside people best leave us alone)
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To: jveritas
BTW, I'm watching Fox news. They just said Kerry has revamped his cut and run strategy to "cut and jog" to attract more than the 6 votes he got last time.
143 posted on 06/19/2006 3:05:35 PM PDT by gondramB (We may have done a lill' bit of fightin amongst ourselves but you outside people best leave us alone)
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To: gondramB

I voted for, before I voted against, before I voted to modify what I voted for, I mean against, or something like that.


144 posted on 06/19/2006 3:36:18 PM PDT by U S Army EOD
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To: Jewels1091
"national media"

I have been scrupulously scanning a number of major rags and of course the telly for ANY!!! mention much less discussion of these Saddam papers. It's a national disgrace, but obviously Big Lib Media is scared to death of the implications of these revelations. Printing or airing them for public discussion would cause Bush's poll ratings to jump ten to twenty points overnight. ( ( I laugh at the thought of a NY Slimes headline "Bush right about Saddam; Hussein hip deep in terrorist activities"....I can dream can't I?) Americans are still remarkably ignorant about Saddam's terrorist activities. And Big Lib Media wants to keep it that way...their survival depends on it.

145 posted on 06/19/2006 4:12:24 PM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: gondramB
The important number is the percent who want to cut and run. That percent is thankfully less than 50% even for Democrats.

Amen to that.

146 posted on 06/19/2006 6:48:51 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: gondramB

Isn't he the most pathetic fool in politics?!


147 posted on 06/19/2006 6:50:26 PM PDT by jveritas (Support The Commander in Chief in Times of War)
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To: RandallFlagg

"RandallFlagg: WMDs = Cheese ^"

Your theory is pretty close to mine.


148 posted on 06/19/2006 7:26:50 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom

"I told you Saddam Hussein was a Nuclear menace. We should have invaded sooner." - John F. Kerry.......next week.


149 posted on 06/20/2006 5:12:29 AM PDT by massgopguy (massgopguy)
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To: jveritas

ping!

Just found the link to this in the comments at Captain's Quarters. I haven't slept all night and NOW I find this? (Arrghhh!) Will return after some sleep to read everything/see if anyone's picked up on this.
(I did just add this to my Saddam/WMD post at my site, but I'm no Captain Ed.) ;-)


150 posted on 06/22/2006 3:25:00 AM PDT by bc4gwb (http://bamapachyderm.com)
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