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Despite Its Unpopularity, Iraq War Hurts Democrats, Helps GOP in Congress
Human Events Online ^ | June 22, 2006 | Robert Novak

Posted on 06/22/2006 12:32:06 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

As each house of Congress began its own Iraq War debate, the unpopular war continued to have the curious effect of hurting those it should help, and helping those it should hurt. Democrats may be accused of wanting to "cut and run" in Iraq, but the fact is that they "broke and ran" in the debate.

The Republican advantage here comes with the recent death of Abu Musab al-Zarqawi, and the discovery of intelligence information that suggests al Qaeda feels it is losing in Iraq.

On the Senate side, Democrats blundered themselves into a minefield, with Republicans bringing up the actual resolution as proposed by Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.) to withdraw from Iraq by the end of 2006. This was a resolution that some in the press had laughably said would put pressure on Republicans, but Sen. Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) seized the opportunity by proposing it himself. The Doves were slaughtered in a 93-to-6 tabling vote, with Kerry among the six. Inexplicably, the Democrats pressed for more punishment by discussing resolutions with later withdrawal dates -- equally unhelpful to them. The vote benefits Kerry in his quest for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination, but it hurts the caucus with its base.

On the House side, things were scarcely better, as Republicans were the ones bringing their own resolution. Rep. John Murtha (D-Pa.) took center stage, again denouncing the Republicans' "stay the course" war resolution as a political stunt. (More on Murtha below.) The problem: Forty-two of Murtha's fellow Democrats ended up supporting the "political stunt," including almost every member facing a difficult re-election this year, such as Representatives Jim Marshall (D-Ga.), John Barrow (D-Ga.), Leonard Boswell (D-Iowa), Melissa Bean (D-Ill.), John Spratt (D-S.C.). This House vote turned into a rout -- a real embarrassment for the Democrats -- due to the large number of defectors.

Once again at center stage is Democrats' timidity over Iraq, which one would expect to be as good an election issue as they could ever invent against the Republicans and President Bush. The Iraq War is apparently unpopular and Americans supposedly want the troops to come home -- yet Democrats feel so little confidence that this will translate into election victories that they cannot be persuaded to adopt a consistent anti-war position. Even as Democrats are too divided to embrace the long end of the stick, Republicans are eager and united to embrace the short end. Do they believe that weariness with the war is as shallow as support for it once was -- that just as it waxed and has now waned, support for the campaign in Iraq could wax with sufficient success? Or that the bad feeling about the war is not strongly felt?

Murtha's role in this drama continues to smack of opportunism, particularly since his announcement of candidacy for majority leader. His suggestion on NBC's "Meet the Press" last Sunday that troops could be "redeployed" to Okinawa -- about 6,000 nautical miles from the theater's landing points in Kuwait and Bahrain -- became somewhat unrealistic when he asserted, incorrectly, that troops could be brought back quickly if needed. In fact, the transit time alone would be 11 days by boat plus a few days over land for a Marine Expeditionary Unit, and that doesn't count the desert preparation that would be required for redeployment to the Middle East. Murtha's answer embarrassed Democratic House members who would not dream of publicly criticizing the 74-year-old war veteran.

Murtha has worked to make himself the hero of the party's anti-war wing, and as a social conservative, it is something he can especially afford to do. But before November he had kept a low profile ever since being an unindicted co-conspirator in the Abscam investigation 26 years ago, in which he agreed to testify against popular Rep. Frank Thompson (D-N.J.). Of eight members of Congress on videotape being offered bribes by a phony Arab sheik, Murtha was the only one who did not take the cash -- but he did express interest in further negotiations while bragging about his political influence. His testimony created lifelong enemies in the Democratic cloakroom.

Today, Murtha wears his Vietnam combat record like a suit of armor, using it to disqualify adversaries who have not tasted combat, which includes the vast majority of Congress.

A significant but little-remarked rebuke of the Bush Administration on the topic of Iraq, meanwhile, came when the Senate unanimously approved of a demand that the war be budgeted for in the normal budget process.


TOPICS: Editorial; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 2006election; bush; congress; democratparty; electioncongress; electionushouse; electionussenate; gop; house; iraq; novak; republicanparty; senate; ushouse; ussenate

1 posted on 06/22/2006 12:32:12 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative

We have to keep publicly calling them on their cut & run mentality to help show undecideds why they can't be trusted with National Security.


2 posted on 06/22/2006 12:34:01 PM PDT by aynrandfreak (The Left hates America)
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To: West Coast Conservative

The mistake that the Dems made was in trying to turn it into a partisan issue.


3 posted on 06/22/2006 12:36:41 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: West Coast Conservative
'Murtha's role in this drama continues to smack of opportunism, particularly since his announcement of candidacy for majority leader. His suggestion on NBC's "Meet the Press" last Sunday that troops could be "redeployed" to Okinawa'

What a senile imbecile. Even I could tell right away that such move is pure stupidity. The old bag thinks he is now a great strategist.

4 posted on 06/22/2006 12:38:32 PM PDT by gedeon3
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To: West Coast Conservative
"and the discovery of intelligence information that suggests al Qaeda feels it is losing in Iraq." The Bush administration could make a little more of this fact.

I think we need to get away from calling the Democratic policy on Iraq "cut and run" and call it something that puts it in starker terms in regards to the stakes here, "retreat and defeat."

Funny only a year ago Democrats were saying we didn't have ENOUGH troops in Iraq to do the job, now they're wanting us to cut troop levels?? These people will flip flop on every position to get some perceived political gain, and all the while not a single voice in the media will call them on it.

5 posted on 06/22/2006 12:38:42 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting in November because you're pouting is a vote for Nancy Pelosi for Speaker of the House)
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To: West Coast Conservative

National Security is not a popularity contest. Leaders lead, political whores read polls.


6 posted on 06/22/2006 12:39:37 PM PDT by MNJohnnie (The US Military. We kill foreigners so you don't have too.)
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To: aynrandfreak
I'm always curious when they talk about how "unpopular" the war in Iraq is. The MSM wants it to be unpopular, and they try their darnedest to make it seem so. However, I think it's clear that in middle America, national security is a still a prime concern among Democrat and Republican voters alike, and the MSM just doesn't get it - and they never will.
7 posted on 06/22/2006 12:43:56 PM PDT by BrynS728
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To: West Coast Conservative

8 posted on 06/22/2006 12:44:35 PM PDT by w_over_w (You have a problem with authority Mr. Anderson.)
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To: BrynS728

As Rush said the other day, this so called unpopularity is based on polls only. If there were really a populist groundswell against the war then more people would be speaking up and showing up at these "rallies."


9 posted on 06/22/2006 12:46:38 PM PDT by TNCMAXQ
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To: Brilliant

Yes, some things are above politics. And the second thing they did was want to cut and run. Even friends and family I have who are agains GWB and going in to Iraq realize we have no other recourse at this point but to win. Anything else emboldens the terrorists. I figure most Americans know this.


10 posted on 06/22/2006 12:46:42 PM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: BrynS728
The MSM wants it to be unpopular, and they try their darnedest to make it seem so.

True, just like in the exit polls in 2004 showing Kerry winning easily.

11 posted on 06/22/2006 12:50:57 PM PDT by aynrandfreak (The Left hates America)
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To: aynrandfreak
The MSM wants it to be unpopular, and they try their darnedest to make it seem so.

True, just like in the exit polls in 2004 showing Kerry winning easily

LOL! That's right! Probably one of the most blatant examples of poll manipulation, and it blew up in their faces. Beautiful.

12 posted on 06/22/2006 12:58:13 PM PDT by BrynS728
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To: West Coast Conservative
The vote benefits Kerry in his quest for the 2008 Democratic presidential nomination

We have enough history on Kerry to know that Kerry is the only thing important to Kerry.
13 posted on 06/22/2006 1:01:11 PM PDT by Beckwith (The liberal media has picked sides and they've sided with the Jihadists.)
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To: Beckwith

Kerry is a self serving git. He amply proved that in 2004.


14 posted on 06/22/2006 1:04:20 PM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Of eight members of Congress on videotape being offered bribes by a phony Arab sheik, Murtha was the only one who did not take the cash -- but he did express interest in further negotiations while bragging about his political influence.

Dems - cut from the same cloth...

15 posted on 06/22/2006 1:07:25 PM PDT by GOPJ (Once you see the MSM manipulate opinion, all their efforts seem manipulative-Reformedliberal)
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To: West Coast Conservative
The Iraq War is apparently unpopular

What war is ever 'popular'? It's not about popularity, Bob, it's about getting the job done. If anything, a component of the bad Iraq poll numbers are disaffected conservatives, who think (accurately) that we're handcuffing ourselves with p.c. rules of engagement. The bump in the polls after the Zarqawi takedown are those folks getting back on the train.

and Americans supposedly want the troops to come home

Of course they do. They want them to come home VICTORIOUS, and not be evacuated from Baghdad by helicopter as the enemy closes in, as traitors like Murtha and Kerry are trying so hard to reprise.

16 posted on 06/22/2006 1:25:29 PM PDT by bassmaner (Hey commies: I am a white male, and I am guilty of NOTHING! Sell your 'white guilt' elsewhere.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Just shows that Americans overwhelmingly prefer incompetence to treason.


17 posted on 06/22/2006 1:31:44 PM PDT by Busywhiskers (Hoist the black flag.)
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To: MikeA
"Funny only a year ago Democrats were saying we didn't have ENOUGH troops in Iraq to do the job, now they're wanting us to cut troop levels??"

They are just throwing up anything and everything in order to find something that sticks.

The poll numbers must be all over the place, and so naturally they don't know what to think or say.

18 posted on 06/22/2006 1:47:05 PM PDT by Radix (Stop domestic violence. Beat abroad.)
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To: Busywhiskers

LOL!


19 posted on 06/22/2006 2:21:59 PM PDT by karnage
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To: West Coast Conservative
As each house of Congress began its own Iraq War debate, the unpopular war continued to have the curious effect of hurting those it should help, and helping those it should hurt.

It's not at all curious that it would help the Republicans. Of course the war is "unpopular." It's not a sitcom. The American people are understandably ambivalent. They hate war but they know how important this is, and that there's no choice but to fight and finish what we began.

The Dems who voted against running away know this despite what media polls say.

20 posted on 06/22/2006 2:28:42 PM PDT by rake (Irey!)
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To: West Coast Conservative
I don't know that any war has ever been popular.

Maybe that's the Dems' problem, assuming that a lack of popularity is indicative of anything.

I think a better question is how many Americans want to win, and how many want to lose?

21 posted on 06/22/2006 2:31:23 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: bassmaner
Thank you. That is exactly what I was about to post. The polls are very deceptive.

Q. Do you approve of the way the administration is handling the war?
A. No 59% (40% No, we need to be tougher. 19% No, I'm a democrat)

Q. Do you want the troops to come home?
A. Yes. (90% yes, when the mission is completed. 10% yes, I'm a democrat.)

22 posted on 06/22/2006 3:17:14 PM PDT by WVNan (Taking up our cross is saying yes to the conditions we meet on our journey with Him.)
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To: MikeA
I think we need to get away from calling the Democratic policy on Iraq "cut and run" and call it something that puts it in starker terms in regards to the stakes here, "retreat and defeat."

Still not stark enough, Mike. Call it what it really is, "cowardice." They aren't content to be cowards personally, they wish to extend their cowardice to the brave men and women who enable them to snivel and whine.

23 posted on 06/22/2006 4:06:33 PM PDT by Doug Loss
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To: West Coast Conservative

They aren't called DUmmies for nothing. :)


24 posted on 06/22/2006 4:08:53 PM PDT by veronica ("A person needs a sense of mission like the air he breathes...")
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To: Doug Loss

Well, yeah it is that. But we need something clever that will stick in peoples' minds when they go to vote this fall, something with a ring to it and "retreat and defeat" fits the bill. Americans don't ever like the thought of our military having to retreat or that America is defeated at any venture.


25 posted on 06/22/2006 4:12:17 PM PDT by MikeA (Not voting in November because you're pouting is a vote for Nancy Pelosi for Speaker of the House)
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To: West Coast Conservative

The only ones that the war is unpopular with are the socialists and communists.

I don't like the way our Service Men are being prosecuted for defening themselves, but I am not against the war.


26 posted on 06/22/2006 4:16:08 PM PDT by sport
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To: West Coast Conservative

That's it! The rat is finished! Even no-facts gets it!


27 posted on 06/22/2006 4:20:29 PM PDT by jmaroneps37 (John Spencer: Fighting to save America from Hillary Clinton..)
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To: West Coast Conservative
"...before November [Murtha] had kept a low profile ever since being an unindicted co-conspirator in the Abscam investigation 26 years ago, in which he agreed to testify against popular Rep. Frank Thompson (D-N.J.). Of eight members of Congress on videotape being offered bribes by a phony Arab sheik, Murtha was the only one who did not take the cash -- but he did express interest in further negotiations while bragging about his political influence. His testimony created lifelong enemies in the Democratic cloakroom."

We need to find video of this and blast it over the net every time this weasel opens his mouth.

28 posted on 06/22/2006 6:24:11 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile ('Is' and 'amnesty' both have clear, plain meanings. Are Billy Jeff, Pence, McQueeg & Bush related?)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Or that the bad feeling about the war is not strongly felt?

Bingo.

Okay, some of the poll questions are push driven obviously. Demo are skewed. However, what is obvious is that the public goes up on good news. Down on bad. Basically they are taking the luxury to be flighty on the issue because it's just a poll and assume the President won't take them seriously enough to determine his action on THIS issue according to these polls. I wouldn't say its admirable of some sectors of the public, but it's a far cry from embracing Murtha in the ballot box.

Being flightly with a poll is one thing. Being flighty with the lives of your family at the ballot box is another. Therein is the "nuance" the Liberals and washington analysts fail to understand.

29 posted on 06/22/2006 9:15:51 PM PDT by Soul Seeker (Deport the United States Senate)
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