Muslims Address Silence on Europe Attacks

Las Vegas Sun ^ | June 24, 2006 at 12:40:46 PDT | SCHEHEREZADE FARAMARZI ASSOCIATED PRESS

[Dallas59]

They aren't on our side that's for sure.

[Diogenesis]

Why should Islamic terrorists and murderers speak up when Europeans are murdered?
The terrorists and murderers have long been supported by the highest levels of the EU
with greetings and money after every gout of fresh red blood flowed in the streets worldwide.
Solana in particular enjoyed licking spittle from the lips of his beloved Arafat the terrorist.

[Right Wing Assault]

Why, many Muslims ask, should they have to speak out against, or apologize for, actions of radicals who do not represent them - people they do not even regard as true Muslims?

OK, blockheads! If they don't represent you, how is anyone going to know unless you say that publicly? If you don't say it, the assumption must be made that they do represent you. Man, these people have a screwed up culture. Everything is someone else's fault.

Many find the very idea of being asked or expected to denounce such acts "extremely offensive and insulting," said Khurshid Drabu, a senior member of the Muslim Council of Britain.

Too damn bad. That's how we in our culture think. If you don't understand it, learn to understand it. If you don't like to live with it, move away. I have noticed when we do something Muzzles don't like, they jump up and down and scream. But when it is one of their own who does something 'they don't like', then they are totally silent. Odd, isn't it? And when we say, "Why?", they are insulted.

That is a pretty slick way to get around criticism. Just say, "I am insulted!" Sound like Democrats.

[outofsalt]

I came from Communist Cuba 40 years ago, after the missile crisis and after the Bay of Pigs (in which my family faught). I have assimilated and I work and I vote and I worship Jesus and I am teaching my children. I know the Cuban people endure and suffer and pray. (www.therealcuba.com) I see Hugo Chaves and I feel powerless though I am free and blessed.
I hope my FRiends might understand.

[maine-iac7]

Dutch Muslim rapper Yassine SB wrote a song about his anger over Van Gogh's murder but scrapped plans to perform it out of fear of being ostracized beheaded by the Islamic community

[claudiustg]

You hear plenty from them when Muslims are killed.

[highlander_UW]

"If you sing that, it's like you choose the Dutch, not Muslims," said Yassine SB - the initials stand for his surname Sahsah Bahida - who is popular among Dutch North African youths like himself for his songs against racism.

"People will say 'you are a traitor,'" said the 20-year-old musician. ...

Why, many Muslims ask, should they have to speak out against, or apologize for, actions of radicals who do not represent them - people they do not even regard as true Muslims?

They can't even be honest within the same article. They have already stated that they will not speak out against the actions of terrorists and those who murder in the name of Islam because that would be choosing the west over Islam. So if they are not really muslims this statement makes no sense. No, the fact is, they do not speak up against terrorists because the unspoken secret they don't wish anyone to speak or point out is that the terrorists ARE representing the accurate side of the Quran and Islam. They are likely doing so in a more violent fashion than most muslims are happy with, but it is the truth.

I've spoken with many muslims over the last few years, some on this very topic, and the consistent theme is that they will not denounce the terrorists because they are not certain they are not acting in the will of allah.

[backhoe]

Have you started one of your famous threads on the latest revelation (sedition ) by the NY Times? We have a lot of threads scattered about....I pulled some of them together here:

US defends secret money tracking

No, I haven't, and yours is so good I'll just link to it.

[TheClintons-STILLAnti-American]

"People and politicians say where are the Muslim people, why aren't they on the streets defending themselves? They say we should go into the streets and condemn what happened so they see us as good Muslims," said Karima Ramani, a 20-year-old Dutch born to an Algerian father and Moroccan mother. "I don't feel it's my duty. I'm not responsible for the death of Van Gogh.""

"...a true Muslim is always called to stay faithful to the teaching of the Qur'an and Muhammad, fighting for the cause of Allah in the spreading of Islam. Even nominal Muslims unconsciously or consciously through their religious payments are indirectly involved in the war (jihad) against non-Muslims. The large amount of money that the religious leaders collect from the Muslim community is invested for the raising up of true Muslims who are called to fight for the cause of Allah. The giving of money is unavoidable for the majority of Muslims."

--The Difference is The Son by Daniel Shayesteh, Iranian Qur'anic scholar -(he had memorized the entire Qur'an by age 9)-and politician who helped Khomeini return to power in 1978 and build his government.

He was arrested and sentenced to death for delivering a speech that broke one of the cardinal rules of Islam --criticizing Islamic leaders--when he said that the leadership should be held to account for the mass slaughter they were performing of Iranian citizens.

He was able to flee the country and eventually came to recognize the that Islam is a false cult, Muhammad was a false prophet and Allah is nothing more than Muhammad's stamp of approval not unlike a notary public.

He has since dedicated his life to trying to free Muslims, as well as others lost in darkness of untruth, from the bondage of its web of lies.

[ChessExpert]

This article is almost an all Muslim production. The author is SCHEHEREZADE FARAMARZI. Given the subject, it is understandable that European Muslims are quoted. But everyone who provides a European viewpoint is affiliated in some ways with Muslims:

Ruud Peters, professor of Arabic and Islamic studies at the University of Amsterdam.

Rory Miller, senior lecturer of Mediterranean studies at King's College, London.

Olivier Roy, a respected French scholar of Islam,

Sue Vogel, a psychologist who practices in Muslim-populated Bedford,

Lamia Hamdoun, 33, ... her Egyptian husband, Mohammed,

It reminds me of the TV News or "All in the Family" which have always been all liberal productions.

[Ernest_at_the_Beach]

Thanks for the info!

[ChessExpert]

I have a high opinion of Cuban Americans. God bless.

[Iscool]

Dutch Muslim rapper Yassine SB wrote a song about his anger over Van Gogh's murder but scrapped plans to perform it out of fear of being ostracized by the Islamic community

This is an honest answer and it tells us everything we need to know...

[Centurion2000]

Why, many Muslims ask, should they have to speak out against, or apologize for, actions of radicals who do not represent them - people they do not even regard as true Muslims?

Because if you don't people are going think you have tactic support for them ..... and eventually muslims are going to be exterminated in job lots if they don't fix their problems.

[outofsalt]

Thank You. Dominus vo bis cum

[righttackle44]

"Why, then, the public silence?"

"Dutch Muslim rapper Yassine SB wrote a song about his anger over Van Gogh's murder but scrapped plans to perform it out of fear of being ostracized by the Islamic community."

Not at all difficult to understand all of this. You make a remark, draw a cartoon, write a song and some really bad guys come and blow up your family and castrate you.

I have a business partnership, and we have a Muslim client. She took the work she did and showed it to members of her family. Their reaction both frightened and disturbed her because they interpreted it as took it to be critical to Islam--a fact that was and is furtherest from her mind.

I may not like the collective silence of the worldwide Muslim community, but, given the possibilities of harm to one's self, it is understandable.

[oldbrowser]

"I don't feel it's my duty. I'm not responsible for the death of Van Gogh."

Many European observers of Islamic communities agree.

"If they protest as a group of Muslims against these terrorist attacks, they take on an extra responsibility which is not theirs. So I can fully understand their reasons,"

This point of view dovetails nicely with the terrorists who hide amongst the "I don't want to get involved" muslims.

The only problem is that if they don't differentiate themselves then we, in order to protect ourselves, are justified in killing all of them rather than play their little shell game.

[claudiustg]

---I've spoken with many muslims over the last few years, some on this very topic, and the consistent theme is that they will not denounce the terrorists because they are not certain they are not acting in the will of allah.---

Exactly! And many of them harbor the unspoken feeling that if they were better Muslims they too would joy the jihad.

[claudiustg]

joy=join :^0

[mockingbyrd]

Silence is consent.

The same people who condemn the Vatican for being silent during World War II make excuses for Muslims. But this is nothing new, when Hitler was questioned about the outcry the was to be expected when he began his systematic murder of the Jews, his response was "No one said anything about the Armenians." Referring to the Armenians who were slaughtered by the Turks the previous decade.

The West and the East have been silent too long.