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Islamists will set off dirty bomb, spy bosses believe
The Sunday Telegraph ^ | 06/25/2006 | Sean Rayment/

Posted on 06/24/2006 7:15:11 PM PDT by managusta

Spy chiefs fear that it is a case of "when, not if" Islamist terrorists launch a "dirty bomb" attack against London or another western capital, The Sunday Telegraph has learnt.

Security sources have disclosed that the belief amongst most intelligence agencies is that a chemical, biological, radiological or nuclear (CBRN) attack, using a so-called dirty bomb, is now inevitable.

The warning comes three weeks after 250 police officers stormed the home of two Muslim brothers in Forest Gate, east London, in the mistaken belief that they were attempting to develop a chemical bomb. It follows growing concern among members of Britain's intelligence and security hierarchy that if a CBRN attack took place in the City of London it would devastate Britain's economy and severely damage the economies of Europe and America.

It has also emerged that the police were warned about the activities in West Yorkshire of the July 7 bombers, almost two years before last year's suicide attacks.

Whitehall officials say that the attacks on September 11, 2001, "freed the mind" of intelligence agencies analysing the capabilities of Islamist terrorists, and it would be "reckless" to underestimate the "capability and intent" of terrorist groups such as al-Qaeda.

Dame Eliza Manningham-Buller, the director general of MI5, said in 2003 that al-Qaeda already had the technical capability to make an "unconventional weapon", a description widely seen as referring to a dirty bomb or a CBRN attack.

The threat is also underlined by claims made by Osama bin Laden, who has referred to the existence of such devices on several occasions. In November 2001, he said that "if America used chemical or nuclear weapons against us, then we may retort with chemical and nuclear weapons. We have the weapons as a deterrent".

In a June 2002 article, Sulaiman Abu Gaith, an al-Qaeda spokesman, said "it is our right to fight [the Americans] with chemical and biological weapons".

In April 2005, Kamel Bourgass, an Algerian with known links to al-Qaeda, was convicted of plotting to manufacture and spread poisons in Britain.

This newspaper has learnt that the claim by John Reid, the Home Secretary, that there are currently 20 active terrorist conspiracies under way in Britain, is now regarded as a "modest" assessment, and that the actual number, according to Whitehall sources, is significantly more.

It is also understood that the number of terrorist suspects believed to be operating in Britain is now in excess of 1,200, almost 400 more than the figure in the intelligence and security committee report into the July 7 attacks, which was published last month.

Security sources admit that they do not yet know the full scale of the Islamist terrorism problem which is facing Britain.

One source said: "We are still operating with the realm of unknown unknowns. Without wishing to sound too much like Donald Rumsfeld [the US defence secretary], we still do not know how much we don't know."

The warnings emerged as Martin Gilbertson, 45, a computer expert, claimed that he produced anti-Western propaganda videos, secured websites and encrypted e-mails for Muslims who were involved in an Islamic book shop and a youth centre attended by Mohammad Sidique Khan and Shehzad Tanweer, two of the July 7 bombers.

Mr Gilbertson said he was so alarmed by what he was producing in Beeston, West Yorks, that he went to the local Holbeck police station in October 2003, saying that he had material and names that he wanted to deliver to anti-terrorist officers.

He was told to post his material, and did so, to West Yorkshire Police headquarters in Wakefield. The package contained DVD material that he had compiled for circulation by the bookshop, a list of names, including Khan and Tanweer, and a covering letter giving a contact telephone number.

He claims that he heard nothing until he was identified by the police as having contacted them, almost two years later, after the bomb attacks.


TOPICS: Extended News; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: bomb; intellegence; islam; rop; uk
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Meanwhile our President and Senate refuse to secure our borders and treasonous agents within our own agencies assisted by the MSM are eviserating our intelligence services.
1 posted on 06/24/2006 7:15:15 PM PDT by managusta
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To: managusta
MAD

Mecca and Medina assured of Destruction.

2 posted on 06/24/2006 7:17:25 PM PDT by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: managusta

Using dirty bombs against us? Fine, but we will take out Mecca and Medina.


3 posted on 06/24/2006 7:18:03 PM PDT by AntiGovernment (A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.)
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To: Paladin2

LOL, you beat me to it!


4 posted on 06/24/2006 7:18:19 PM PDT by AntiGovernment (A government that is big enough to give you all you want is big enough to take it all away.)
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To: AntiGovernment
Using dirty bombs against us? Fine, but we will take out Mecca and Medina.

Will we?

5 posted on 06/24/2006 7:18:55 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine (Is /sarc really needed?)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

With the technology available today, I believe that it could be done privately.


6 posted on 06/24/2006 7:20:28 PM PDT by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: Paladin2
I'm not worried about an RDD so much as I'm worried about a van load of home grown nut jobs pulling up to a shopping mall in suburbia and running through the place spraying AK fire at random.

That or some nutjob gets his hands on a radiation source from a legitimate source like a cancer treatment center and then takes it somewhere and tosses it onto a really hot Weber grill and just drives off.

L

7 posted on 06/24/2006 7:21:34 PM PDT by Lurker (When decadence pervades the corridors of power, depravity walks the side streets.)
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To: managusta

BTTT for later.


8 posted on 06/24/2006 7:21:45 PM PDT by I got the rope
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To: managusta

9 posted on 06/24/2006 7:22:11 PM PDT by edpc
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To: managusta
A radiological bomb is really not all that effective. The conventional explosives will do more damage than the radioactive material which can be cleaned up.

As a side note, a dirty bomb is really a nuclear weapon that produces a large quantity of radioactive fallout. A radiological bomb is conventional explosives with some kind of radioactive material strapped to it.

10 posted on 06/24/2006 7:25:07 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Apparently Being Mean to a Troll is Now Against the Rules.)
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To: COEXERJ145
Either of the two types will produce the results the terrorists want.
11 posted on 06/24/2006 7:32:08 PM PDT by Las Vegas Dave ("Liberals out of power are comical-Liberals in power are dangerous!"-Rush Limbaugh.)
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To: COEXERJ145
"A radiological bomb is really not all that effective..."

What planet do you inhabit, kind sir?

I witnessed 8 of the Nuke "biggies" detonate during Operation "Castle" spring of 1954 in the Marshalls. Up close and personal.

The Bravo Shot on 1 March '54 was incredible -- and we had to evacuate Marshallese natives well over 180 miles downwind. With a loss of life, I might add.

This deadly event has been highly classified to this day, relative to its deadly magnitude.

And, that was well over 50 years ago.

I suggest you go back to your drawing board and toss another one out -- to see if it might stick.

This comment was ludicrous on its face!

Kind regards.
12 posted on 06/24/2006 7:40:32 PM PDT by dk/coro
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To: dk/coro
Read what I said again before going off half cocked.

I said "radiological" not "nuclear".

A nuclear bomb will blow everything to hell. A radiological bomb is a good terror weapon but not much else.

13 posted on 06/24/2006 7:41:49 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Apparently Being Mean to a Troll is Now Against the Rules.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Right, the ground is already being laid for "you can't prove it was muzzies and even if it was, you can't prove they aren't a tiny minority yada, yada."

If they do go nuclear on us, something tells me that it will have to be our own "renegades" that avenge us because the government won't do it without UN permission.


14 posted on 06/24/2006 7:49:02 PM PDT by Let's Roll ( "Congressmen who ... undermine the military ... should be arrested, exiled or hanged" - A. Lincoln)
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To: COEXERJ145
But you do have to admit that Castle Bravo was one heck of a big bomb.

CASTLE BRAVO
15 posted on 06/24/2006 8:56:47 PM PDT by absalom01 (NRA,CRPA)
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To: absalom01
Castle-Bravo was amazing.

I've done a lot of research on nuclear weapons over the past 5 years as part of my undergrad and graduate studies so it is a topic I'm well versed in.

The other day in fact I was playing on Google Earth and found this.


16 posted on 06/24/2006 9:02:04 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Apparently Being Mean to a Troll is Now Against the Rules.)
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To: managusta

We may be getting closer to Armageddon than we realize.


17 posted on 06/24/2006 9:03:34 PM PDT by Dustbunny (Amazing Grace how sweet the sound that saved a wretch like me)
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To: COEXERJ145

Dang!

Wonder if they get Google Earth in Iran?


18 posted on 06/24/2006 9:44:38 PM PDT by absalom01 (NRA,CRPA)
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To: managusta
The Sunday Telegraph has learnt.

I know this is an England paper..so they should know the queen's english..but shouldn't it be 'The Sunday Telegraph has learned'..I am not perfect in English so anyone can correct me ASAP..

19 posted on 06/24/2006 9:48:05 PM PDT by BerniesFriend
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20 posted on 06/24/2006 10:09:36 PM PDT by kanawa (Freaking panty wetting, weakspined bliss-ninny socialist punks)
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