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A neighborhood abandoned (Long article misses cause of urban decay)
The Baltimore Sun ^ | June 25, 2006 | Eric Siegel

Posted on 06/25/2006 5:05:58 AM PDT by edpc

Wearing work boots and carrying flashlights on a spring day last year, a band of architects and developers picked their way through the dim interior of the American Brewery. They looked like archaeologists combing through an ancient ruin, which, in some ways, is exactly what the brewery is.

Built in the 1800s, the American Brewery has stood empty these past 33 years, a ghostly reminder of a distant past when the city's manufacturing muscle was on display in working-class neighborhoods such as this one in East Baltimore.

Rain drips from a hole in the roof and puddles on the floor. Ankle-deep piles of pigeon droppings and feathers soil the concrete floors. Holes and graffiti deface walls. Rust has corroded most metal surfaces.

The deterioration doesn't end at the doors of the old factory, which stands at an isolated, impoverished corner of the city near the point where East North Avenue dead-ends at the Baltimore Cemetery. The view from the brewery's vacant arched windows is equally desolate.

(Excerpt) Read more at baltimoresun.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: Maryland
KEYWORDS: baltimore; blight; decline; handouts; lackofpride; liberalismatwork; responsibility; shameful; urbandecay
This article runs 6 pages and fails to place the onus on the residents who destroy the area. Naturally, it's the fault of government, corrupt landlords, and wealthy residents of Baltimore. Some excerpts:

"It's depressing," said Leslie Funderburk, one mother who lives in the neighborhood. "How can you expect someone to have a positive outlook on life, when all they see is destruction?"

Pick up a broom and a hammer.

They provide compelling evidence that the revitalization so apparent in some sections of the city has left many other parts untouched -- a reminder of the continuing gulf between prosperous and poor Baltimore.

More like the reminder of continuously failed and wasteful leftist policies. Home ownership equals investment and pride in the property. Residents of public housing have no stake in the property. Few, if any, feel any responsibility for its upkeep.

Many streets and alleys are strewn with refuse, which provide the food for rats, just as the abandoned buildings offer them shelter....litter and discarded furniture remain problems -- the result of the willingness of illegal dumpers, transients and even some residents to sully an already degraded neighborhood.

Apparently, it's only a few people in the area who litter. The majority comes from people risking life and limb going to this neighborhood just to dump trash. I don't buy it.

Crime is "commonplace enough," she said, "that it's not something you get all worked up about."

Maybe that's part of the problem. Your lack of outrage is enabling the advancement of crime and decay. Rebuild this area on the government dime and I guarantee it returns to squalor in a decade.

1 posted on 06/25/2006 5:06:03 AM PDT by edpc
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To: edpc

Agree with you on all your points.


2 posted on 06/25/2006 5:09:25 AM PDT by PeteB570 (Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
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To: edpc

Absolutely spot-on.


3 posted on 06/25/2006 5:20:12 AM PDT by JRios1968 (There's 3 kinds of people in this world...those who know math and those who don't.)
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To: edpc

You made some excellent points.....forward tham on to the author...


4 posted on 06/25/2006 5:21:02 AM PDT by Kimmers
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To: edpc
Many people are simply victims. It's the American Way for too many. These people lack the backbond and courage to look in the mirror for ANY cause to problems that plague the inner cities.

a reminder of the continuing gulf between prosperous and poor Baltimore.... my aunt fanny. What a load. As if the elitism of rich versus poor is such a BRAND, NEW idea.

5 posted on 06/25/2006 5:24:26 AM PDT by starfish923 ( Socrates: It's never right to do wrong.)
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To: edpc
And now Baltimore's Mayor wants to do for (or should I say "to") the rest of Maryland what he, his illustrius political family, and his predecessors have done for (to) Baltimore.

Vote for Bob Ehrlich, Marylanders. He is not our ideal, but the alternative is what you read in this article and in the posted comments.

6 posted on 06/25/2006 5:26:53 AM PDT by blau993
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To: blau993

Exactly. We dont need O'Mally in Annapolis. He cant even run a city , much less a State.


7 posted on 06/25/2006 5:30:42 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: sgtbono2002; edpc
Pelosi learned her politics in Baltimore and didn't that work out well...NOT.
8 posted on 06/25/2006 5:36:13 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: edpc
Must be nomad genes at work.

Deficate where you live, move on when the smell and diseases overcome you, and repeat.



9 posted on 06/25/2006 5:36:45 AM PDT by G.Mason (And what is intelligence if not the craft of outthinking our adversaries?)
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To: edpc

Oakland, Detroit, San Francisco, Chicago, Philadelphia, Washington D.C., St Louis, Cleveland ... where liberal politics and liberal politicians rule, it's pretty much always the same - isn't it?


10 posted on 06/25/2006 5:37:50 AM PDT by Baynative (What if the government was as interested in the border as your seat belt?)
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To: edpc

"Holes and graffiti deface walls. "

Alright, outsiders come in and dump their trash - Are we to assume that people from outside of the area also come in to create the holes and graffiti? This article is so deep into denial as to the cause of the decay that it is hard to believe it actually made it into print!!!


11 posted on 06/25/2006 5:39:29 AM PDT by onevoter
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To: edpc
Complicating the matter is a 1994 law that set conditions and deadlines for landlords to rid rental units of dangerous levels of lead. While the law provides much-needed protection for children, it imposes significant costs on landlords, which some claim encourage abandonment. It can cost up to $10,000 to bring a rowhouse into compliance with state and city lead reduction laws,

Another part of the problem. In Massachusetts it's called the lawyers and "deleading consultants" full employment act (my name). You can't even paint over the lead paint without failing the test done by overpaid stooges with lead detectors. I'm sure there's many other anti-landlord laws that the author isn't aware of or won't talk about.

12 posted on 06/25/2006 5:40:24 AM PDT by palmer (Money problems do not come from a lack of money, but from living an excessive, unrealistic lifestyle)
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To: Kimmers
You made some excellent points.....forward tham on to the author...

Thanks, but if you ask any MD Republican, they will tell you the same thing. Trying to debate The Baltimore Sun (aka The Calvert St. Democrats Club) is a monumental waste of time.

13 posted on 06/25/2006 5:41:47 AM PDT by edpc
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To: PeteB570

You don't see anything here about any sort of community action. Not neighborhood watch. Nothing. People who live in these NE cities don't even know how to have a meeting, and if someone calls one, they don't know how to behave. So, they are at the mercy of whatever anyone else wants to do. Their only idea is that somehow the gobmint should do someting. What gobmint? They don't know.


14 posted on 06/25/2006 5:49:16 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: edpc

Excellant comments!!!!!Your post responds to all the idiotic remarks.


15 posted on 06/25/2006 5:50:23 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Moderate Mooslims.....what's that?)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie
Well...not all of the idiotic comments. I wouldn't want to crash the server by addressing them entirely.

;-)

16 posted on 06/25/2006 5:53:10 AM PDT by edpc
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To: edpc
Trying to inform any liberal is difficult, even if the discussion is evidence based they only want to see their side.....sigh
17 posted on 06/25/2006 5:53:26 AM PDT by Kimmers
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To: edpc

We are always told that poverty causes crime. Perhaps it's the other way around...


18 posted on 06/25/2006 6:02:16 AM PDT by Freedom4US
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To: edpc
Crime is "commonplace enough," she said, "that it's not something you get
all worked up about."


She should call one Rudy Giuliani and ask him to tell her about
the "broken windows" approach to crime and urban decay.
And what it had to do with the revitalization of at least one major city.
And James Q. Wilson, co-author of the paper that got that concept rolling.
19 posted on 06/25/2006 6:06:05 AM PDT by VOA
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To: Baynative
Oakland, Detroit, San Francisco, Chicago, Philadelphia, Washington D.C., St Louis, Cleveland ... where liberal politics and liberal politicians rule, it's pretty much always the same - isn't it?

Let's test that premise. Is there a city (or cities) in that size range that has been under conservative political control for long enough to warrant a comparison?

I strongly suspect that you are right, but we need to document it with factual comparisons.

20 posted on 06/25/2006 6:06:52 AM PDT by JimRed ("Hey, hey, Teddy K., how many girls did you drown today?" (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help m)
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To: Freedom4US
I am always amazed when they raid one of these drug dens in Baltimore. They ususally find huge amounts of cash, but the house and decor hardly look like Pacino's place in Scarface.
21 posted on 06/25/2006 6:09:16 AM PDT by edpc
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To: edpc
I agree with all your points too, and have witnessed much of it in person with my own eyes.

The creation of governemnt dependents has ruined so many lives, to their and our great tragedy.

22 posted on 06/25/2006 6:10:59 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Ann Coulter = The Conservative Diva)
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To: Freedom4US

It is government programs and the welfare state that causes crime. Povery itself does not.


23 posted on 06/25/2006 6:13:13 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Ann Coulter = The Conservative Diva)
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To: Baynative

Liberal politics rule because of the ignorance, hatred, and envy of the degraded individuals who vote for them.


24 posted on 06/25/2006 6:19:35 AM PDT by 2ndClassCitizen
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To: JimRed; edpc; Chieftain

I grew up in Cleveland. Being poor is not a reason for crime and disgusting living situations. In the 50's a whole crew of immigrants arrived after WWII. they lived in the poorest sections of Cleveland. They worked hard, made a large pot of soup on Sunday which they had all week. Their little apts were clean, the streets were clean, no graffitti.

and actually, it used to be that way in Black neighborhoods BEFORE govt help.

God save us from the government helping us with our problems.
As Hillary said," It takes a village to build a public project." (ha)


25 posted on 06/25/2006 6:23:20 AM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Moderate Mooslims.....what's that?)
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To: edpc
Crime is "commonplace enough," she said, "that it's not something you get all worked up about." Maybe that's part of the problem. Your lack of outrage is enabling the advancement of crime and decay. Rebuild this area on the government dime and I guarantee it returns to squalor in a decade

The only people who "tolerate" crime are criminals themselves. No sane person would voluntarily expose themselves to it. If I had a neighbor who made such a remark about crime I would move out of the area immediately.
26 posted on 06/25/2006 6:23:58 AM PDT by cgbg (MSM aid and comfort to the enemy costs American lives.)
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To: Recovering Ex-hippie

I understand what you mean. There were a couple of times when we had an outbreak of lice at school. It was traced back to a group of individuals who were from the poor section of town. They routinely came to school unwashed. I never thought low income was an acceptable excuse for being filthy.


27 posted on 06/25/2006 6:34:45 AM PDT by edpc
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To: ncountylee

I live in Md. and dont get up to Ballmer (our pronunciation) very often. What I have seen on my visits there is that outside of the waterfront most of Ballmer seems abandoned. The whole place is more than a little shabby.


28 posted on 06/25/2006 7:12:02 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: Freedom4US
We are always told that poverty causes crime. Perhaps it's the other way around...

Poverty is caused by low practical intelligence and personal disorganization. That includes a suseptibility to poor impulse control and can result in criminal behavior.

James Q WIlson explained and Rudy Giuliani effectively translated into policy the theory that crime is fostered by a lack of attention to limits and boundaries by the community. Ample evidence abounds that poor people tend to be of subnormal intellect, finding the simplest of coping skills, like getting to a job on time and reliably, to be a challenge.

And as PJ O'Rourke's mother is said to have said, "There's nobody so poor they can't keep their yard picked up."

29 posted on 06/25/2006 7:15:12 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard (National Youtyh conference on the Atom)
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To: JimRed

You could start with Giuliani's NYC, which stopped putting up with street crime and "victim" crap and started enforcing the law, with salutary effect.


30 posted on 06/25/2006 7:17:47 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: edpc

You can get the people out of the slum, but the real challenge is to get the slum out of the people. If you just clean everythig up and the people have the same attitudes, the area will quickly revert to a slum.


31 posted on 06/25/2006 7:51:56 AM PDT by Wilhelm Tell (True or False? This is not a tag line.)
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To: edpc

haven't read the article yet, but I would say that inept city governments have led to decay. They have done nothing to force landlords to keep up property that isn't occuppied, whether it's a warehouse or a single family, unfortunately that is where it starts. What the residents do to further the decay is disgraceful, but these left wing city governments hate to force anyone to take responsibility.


32 posted on 06/25/2006 8:07:29 AM PDT by Katya (Homo Nosce Te Ipsum)
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To: Katya
haven't read the article yet

That's OK. It's 6 pages of tedium, blaming everyone but the residents for the conditions. As a Marylander, I'm sure you're familiar with The Sun's bilge.

33 posted on 06/25/2006 8:21:03 AM PDT by edpc
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To: JimRed
Can't speak for the other cities, but St. Louis' last non-DemonRat mayor left office in 1943. St. Louis' maximum population level was seen in the 1950 census. Straight downhill since, with an occasional upward blip.

Amazing what 62 years of socialism can accomplish, isn't it?

34 posted on 06/25/2006 9:02:04 AM PDT by SAJ (x)
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To: JimRed
My suspicion is that most large cities tend to suffer the effects of being controled by liberals because:
1. they are government centers where lots of government employes are employed.
2. they are bigger in size and population, so they have larger public works, transportation and maintenance staffs - UNION MEMBERS
3. the same with the need for more police and firefighters - UNION MEMBERS
4. They have more schools, so more teachers - UNION MEMBERS
5. Urban centers tend to be the locations of colleges and universities- MORE LIBS!

Then as in San Francisco, L.A., Portland and Seattle (all cities I'm familiar with) the liberal elite dumps tons of taxpayer money into luring homeless people, treating druggies, building sanctuaries for illegals, etc.

All of these elements contribute to one demographic explaination MORE DEMOCRAT VOTERS.

35 posted on 06/25/2006 9:58:31 AM PDT by Baynative (Peace on Earth? ~ Not while there are Muslims on Earth!)
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To: ClaireSolt
". . .People who live in these NE cities . . ."

Ahem. Maryland and the city of Baltimore are below the Mason-Dixon line, yes?

And Maryland was rebel territory during the Civil War, yes? "The despot's heel is on our shore. . ."

And Maryland culture IS still Southern: No white before Mem Day/after Labor Day; iced tea all year round; mac & cheese is a veggie. . .

So, how come you moved us to the NE?

36 posted on 06/25/2006 11:24:28 AM PDT by doberville
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To: Freedom4US

My grandparents had a beautiful brownstone in Brooklyn when I was growing up in the 60's and 70's ... then the state opened a welfare office 1 block away ...

The first thing to attack in rehabbing the area is crime.. if you get that under control THEN you can rebuild the homes and rent them out for reasonable money.


37 posted on 06/25/2006 5:51:36 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: doberville

Megapolis from Washington to Boston is my view. I lived in Washington for 12 years btw.


38 posted on 06/25/2006 6:29:19 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: ClaireSolt

Not just that. Maryland is a blue state and it is not part of the "Bible Belt". So what if it's under Mason-Dixon line, it is part of the "United States of Canada"


39 posted on 06/27/2006 2:59:45 AM PDT by MinorityRepublican (everyone that doesn't like what America and President Bush has done for Iraq can all go to HELL)
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