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To: rawhide
A civil suit is now being considered against the mall for violating the youth pastor's First Amendment free-speech rights.

That argument won't fly. The First Ammendment protects you against the government. It does not give you the right to speak your mind while ensconced on private property you don't own. Note that the charge was tresspassing--which means a) entering onto private property uninvited, or b) remaining on private property after being asked to leave.

Imagine a mall owned by Christians, who might wish to expell a group of prosletyzing Hare Krishna. The right to property would be the issue, no freedom of speech or freedom of religion--and the latter would have to apply to all parties equally in any case.

5 posted on 06/25/2006 4:46:34 PM PDT by sourcery (A libertarian is a conservative who has been mugged ...by his own government)
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To: sourcery

You are incorrect. Multiple courts have maintained that while the property is private, its use is public and they cannot discriminate.


6 posted on 06/25/2006 4:49:46 PM PDT by Dave W
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To: sourcery
"battery and trespassing"

I can understand the charge of trespassing. But being put under "citizen arrest" and then being charged with battery.

It seems the battery charge would be more something that the police would charge if he struck a officer. To be cuffed by two citizens implies that he was on the receiving end of the force.
8 posted on 06/25/2006 5:05:00 PM PDT by Marius3188 (Happy Resurrection Weekend)
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To: sourcery

I can't speak to the legalities, but my sympathies are with the mall.

I'm old enough to remember trying to push past dozens of weird religous groups to get to my gate in the airport. A mall is a convenient, privately-owned place to shop - they should have the right to throw out anyone they want, for darn near any reason!


15 posted on 06/25/2006 6:17:27 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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