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The Brothel or the Burqah
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Monday, June 26, 2006 | Vox Day

Posted on 06/26/2006 10:42:44 AM PDT by A. Pole

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To: SF Republican
I believe Mexico also outlawed it, that was the reason the Texans revolted.

TEXAS DECLARATION OF INDEPENDENCE. The Texas Declaration of Independence was framed and issued by the Convention of 1836 at Washington-on-the-Brazos. As soon as the convention was organized a resolution was introduced for appointment of a committee to draw up a declaration of independence. Richard Ellis, president of the convention, appointed George C. Childress, James Gaines, Edward Conrad, Collin McKinney, and Bailey Hardemanqv to the committee. Childress was named chairman, and it is generally conceded that he wrote the instrument with little help from the other members. In fact there is some evidence that he brought to the convention a proposed declaration that was adopted with little change by the committee and the convention, a view which is substantiated by the fact that the committee was appointed on March 1 and the declaration was presented to the convention on March 2.

The Texas edict, like the United States Declaration of Independence, contains a statement on the nature of government, a list of grievances, and a final declaration of independence. The separation from Mexico was justified by a brief philosophical argument and by a list of grievances submitted to an impartial world. The declaration charged that the government of Mexico had ceased to protect the lives, liberty, and property of the people; that it had been changed from a restricted federal republic to a consolidated, central, military despotism; that the people of Texas had remonstrated against the misdeeds of the government only to have their agents thrown into dungeons and armies sent forth to enforce the decrees of the new government at the point of the bayonet; that the welfare of Texas had been sacrificed to that of Coahuila; that the government had failed to provide a system of public education, trial by jury, freedom of religion, and other essentials of good government; and that the Indians had been incited to massacre the settlers.

According to the declaration, the Mexican government had invaded Texas to lay waste territory and had a large mercenary army advancing to carry on a war of extermination. The final grievance listed in justification of revolution charged that the Mexican government had been "the contemptible sport and victim of successive military revolutions and hath continually exhibited every characteristic of a weak, corrupt, and tyrannical government."

After the signing of the original declaration by fifty-nine delegates, five copies of the document were dispatched to the designated Texas towns of Bexar, Goliad, Nacogdoches, Brazoria, and San Felipe. The printer at San Felipe was also instructed to make 1,000 copies in handbill form. The original was deposited with the United States Department of State in Washington, D.C., and was not returned to Texas until some time after June 1896. In 1929 the original document was transferred from the office of the secretary of state to the Board of Controlqv to be displayed in a niche at the Capitol,qv where it was unveiled on March 2, 1930.

Bibliography: James K. Greer, "The Committee on the Texas Declaration of Independence," Southwestern Historical Quarterly 30, 31 (April, July 1927). Louis Wiltz Kemp, The Signers of the Texas Declaration of Independence (Salado, Texas: Anson Jones, 1944; rpt. 1959). . Ralph W. Steen

21 posted on 06/26/2006 11:44:34 AM PDT by TexasKamaAina
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To: SF Republican

Santa Anna was a dictator who persecuted by execution and other means everyone who opposed him. His army had no true loyalty to him.
By the way, he was defeated by a numerically inferior force of gringo Texans and native Hispanic Mexicans. He was caught dressed up in women's clothing trying to escape. He was crying and begging to be let go. To save his worthless life he gave up Texas.
Santa Anna's stated aim was to eliminate the gringo Texans. They previously only wanted to be loyal citizens of Mexico. That is why he ended up killing everyone at the Alamo. Look up the massacre at Goliad if you want to know how dishonorable Santa Anna really was.

Mexico only let the gringo Texans into Texas in the first place because of Mexico's rascist policies. The Mexican government of the time figured the Apaches and the gringo Texans would kill themselves off. That in their minds would kill off two problems.


22 posted on 06/26/2006 12:12:21 PM PDT by 2ndClassCitizen
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To: A. Pole
I would like to hear your reasoning for why secularism support or leads to slavery.

I can only assume that you believe that it is religion that has caused the end of slavery. In my mind that is a strange view considering that the "Big 3" (Judaism, Christianity and Islam) all either codify or endorse slavery.

Since most on this forum are Christians and many who are unstudied in the subject will undoubtedly want to try and "correct" my statement, I will provide some scripture for reference.

OT-
Exodus 21:2-6
Exodus 21:20-21
Leviticus 25:44-45
Deuteronomy 20:14,21
Proverbs 29:19

NT-
Colossians 3:22; see also Ephesians 6:5-6
Titus 2:9-10
1 Peter 2:18
Ephesians 6:5
Luke 12:47-48
1 Timothy 6:1-2

I find it interesting that many Christians call slavery immoral but the scriptures do not. Does that mean now that modern Christianity believes it is smarter and more moral than the Bible? Have the truths taught in the Bible changed or evolved? Are we now free to disregard those passages of the Bible that we are uncomfortable with?

I recognize that these are questions that will likely offend many, but understand that is not my intent. No offense is offered or intended and if you do find this post offensive, I apologize.
23 posted on 06/26/2006 12:13:29 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: taxcontrol
I find it interesting that many Christians call slavery immoral but the scriptures do not. Does that mean now that modern Christianity believes it is smarter and more moral than the Bible? Have the truths taught in the Bible changed or evolved? Are we now free to disregard those passages of the Bible that we are uncomfortable with?

I suggest you read up on the nature of slavery in Biblical times vs. the chattel slavery of the 18th and 19th centuries. They have very little in common. For example, in the latter, slaves were treated as property, subhuman brutes to be abused or killed at will, which is forbidden in the Bible. There are other important differences, too.

24 posted on 06/26/2006 1:17:14 PM PDT by Steve0113 (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a man's character, give him power. -A.L.)
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To: A. Pole
Free market and secularism leads us back into slavery

Free markets stopped slavery.

Secularism makes it possible for many religions to live together without killing each other.

I know you seen that as a bad thing. But it is preferable to your socialist theocracy.

25 posted on 06/26/2006 1:24:40 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (The bottom 60% does 40% of the work, the top 40% does 60% of the work. Just who are the "workers"?)
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To: A. Pole

What?
Where is there slavery in Poland?

A. Pole, your posts are usually very good, but you have to explain this one! Slavery in Poland? Really!

Where?


26 posted on 06/26/2006 1:32:52 PM PDT by Bon mots
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To: Steve0113
Really, you think that there was that much difference? I will consent to the fact that race was much more of an issue in later slavery. Though race (more specifically culture) based slavery was practiced in the Bible.

I would point out that in the Bible, a slave could be beaten almost to death and if they lingered for 2 or 3 days and then died, then the slave owner would not be held accountable for the slaves death. I would also point out that slaves were bought and sold and often worked very hard and punished very harshly if they failed to perform their tasks. Further, a master could use a slave for sex and it would not be against the law. Sounds very much like the slavery practiced in the modern world.

While the law did codify certain conditions under which a slave must be released, there was in fact, very little difference between OT slavery and more modern slavery. At least from the slave's point of view.

Trivia question
1) In the United States, who is still allowed to own a slave by the Constitution?

2) What are the two types of slavery that were NOT abolished by the Constitution?
27 posted on 06/26/2006 1:40:53 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: A. Pole
While many have heard Islam is the fastest-growing religion around the world,

And they have heard wrong.

Current Muslim growth rate is 1.76% a year worldwide. Christianity is growing at the rate of 3.2% a year worldwide. This includes born additions and converts.

28 posted on 06/26/2006 1:46:27 PM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (The bottom 60% does 40% of the work, the top 40% does 60% of the work. Just who are the "workers"?)
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To: A. Pole
Didn't France abolish slavery before England?
29 posted on 06/26/2006 3:38:31 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: edcoil
The USA and England are I believe, are the only two countries that have outlawed slavery in 5,000 years.

No, the French did it too. This created a problem for Thomas Jefferson when he took his slaves with him to Paris.

I'm not certain whether the French did it before or after the British, though.

30 posted on 06/26/2006 3:39:46 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: Bon mots; A. Pole
Dude, it's called sarcasm. Read the post he's responding to.
31 posted on 06/26/2006 3:42:40 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: edcoil
Most of the women mentioned in the article are probably in white slavery, prostitution. This kind of slavery is not slavery in the strict sense of the word.

Slavery such as is still normal and accepted in Middle Eastern and Sub-Saharan Africa is much worse. In these areas slavery has never completely disappeared.

Mr. Kofi Anan, Secretary General of the United Nations is from a country that still tolerates slavery.
32 posted on 06/26/2006 4:38:39 PM PDT by R.W.Ratikal (8)
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To: Bon mots; edcoil
Where is there slavery in Poland?

It was a joke.

edcoil wrote:
"The USA and England are I believe, are the only two countries that have outlawed slavery in 5,000 years."

So it must be that the slavery still exists in Poland :)

33 posted on 06/26/2006 7:57:55 PM PDT by A. Pole (" There is no other god but Free Market, and Adam Smith is his prophet ! Bazaar Akbar! ")
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To: TexasKamaAina

"and hath continually exhibited every characteristic of a weak, corrupt, and tyrannical government."

So, except for reduction in revolutions, nothing has changed in Mexico!


34 posted on 06/26/2006 8:07:59 PM PDT by Richard-SIA ("The natural progress of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield" JEFFERSON)
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To: A. Pole

Back in the 1100s or so, manumission of slaves was a precondition for Scandinavian converts to Christianity. Surprisingly, it wasn't much of a disincentive.


35 posted on 06/27/2006 12:43:47 PM PDT by Dumb_Ox (http://kevinjjones.blogspot.com)
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To: SF Republican

Someone's about to get a whole lot of crap from Texans for as long as this thread is visible.


36 posted on 06/27/2006 12:50:30 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: curiosity
I'm not certain whether the French did it before or after the British, though.

The Revolutionary authorities in France outlawed it before the British, in 1794 IIRC. Part of the motivation was purely mercenary, in that the French feared losing Haiti due to the slave uprising there, but part of it was due to the power and ideological tilt of the Jacobins. Napoleon sent an army in 1802 that tried to re-establish slavery but it was defeated.

37 posted on 06/27/2006 12:58:20 PM PDT by untenured
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To: <1/1,000,000th%

Why do you say that? I AM Texan.


38 posted on 06/27/2006 1:57:20 PM PDT by SF Republican
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To: untenured
Thanks for the info.

But wasn't slavery already illegal in France proper (but not the colonies) earlier? I remember reading that some of the slave-owning American diplomats who stayed in France during the revolution lost their slaves because it was illegal on French soil. But maybe my memory is failing me.

39 posted on 06/27/2006 7:05:10 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: untenured
FYI, according to this website, slavery was already illegal in France as early as 1629. However, in that year, Louis XIV gave special permission for people in New France to buy slaves. So apparently, slavery in France proper had been illegal for a very long time, only to reappear in the colonies in the 17th century.

http://www.blackhistoricalmuseum.com/chronology.htm

40 posted on 06/27/2006 7:14:36 PM PDT by curiosity
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