Posted on 06/26/2006 11:04:21 AM PDT by Bokababe
Tudjman was never an Ustasha. Once again, your ignorance of history has been noted.
"Za Dom Spremni", eh?
This is just the first site that came up on Tudjman in a yahoo search, and it is one of the more flattering ones: http://www.slate.com/id/64411/
Can't argue with an Ustasha supporter any more than you can argue with any Nazi -- theideology and the person become indivisible.
This whole thread makes me glad I grew up in the USA and not the Balkans. Slobbo was a thug from a part of the world where there were thugs and cretins on all sides. None of them are worth defending and I'm sure Slobbo is sharing a pit in Hell along with Tudjman and others. If Dole had won in '96 he probably would have bombed the crap out of Belgrade, too. We killed plenty of "Innocent" civilians in Germany and Japan; I don't hear German and Japanese Freepers complaining about that.
P.S. BTW Happy 4th of July from a country that only had one Civil War in 230 years : )
Possibly because that was before they were born PLUS they have to admit the cause was a just one.
Slick Willie's campaign to appease the Muslims by bombing the Christians was never "just." Many of the Serb Freepers that you mock had family living under Clinton's bombs.
No, I was speaking of Quislings who live under the cowardly red-and-white checkerboard of the Ustashi.
The FR Serbs can vouch for me.
Any takers? Anybody? Anybody? Bueller?
"Tudjman was a fervent Red, and after the war he rose through military and party ranks, eventually becoming the general in charge of party discipline. In 1961, at the height of his career, he quit to immerse himself in Croat history. Soon he was a dissident professor, and he served a term in prison in the early '70s for opposing Tito's dictatorship. Tudjman's brave stand against communism would be admirable except that he offered an equally bad ideology in its place: ruthless Croat nationalism."Walks like an Ustashi, talks like an Ustashi...it's an Ustashi, probably getting buggered in that part of Hell reserved for Ustashi, one layer under the Nazis.
Tudjman was not an Ustasha. Why do you insist on mischaracterizations? It's intellectually dishonest.
The Red and White Sahovnica predates the Ustashe by 1,000 years. Get your facts straight.
Secondly, Croatian nationalism does not equate to Ustashism.
Are you always this intellectually dishonest?
Sorry, but he's a hero who saved his nation from communism
Croatians have got a lot of cleaning up to do:
Wiesenthal Center Calls for Prosecution of Croatian Nazi War Criminals Ivo Rojnica and Milivoj Ašner at Zagreb Conference on Anti-Semitism
http://www.wiesenthal.com/site/apps/nl/content.asp?c=fwLYKnN8LzH&b=312458&content_id={A07C5CCE-50A4-4B77-A1C1-97CADCED9AA5}¬oc=1
Me too, WVRebel! Makes me feel damn lucky that my father and mother's family had the good sense to get the hell out of there when they did, so I could be born here!
Slobbo was a thug from a part of the world where there were thugs and cretins on all sides. None of them are worth defending and I'm sure Slobbo is sharing a pit in Hell along with Tudjman and others
Agreed -- long may they "roast"!.
"If Dole had won in '96 he probably would have bombed the crap out of Belgrade, too."
Probably, given the amount of campaign money that the Albanians were throwing around back then --for both sides! Doesn't make it right.
"We killed plenty of "Innocent" civilians in Germany and Japan; I don't hear German and Japanese Freepers complaining about that".
Yes, but even after WWII and the horrible atrocities committed back then by Germany and Japan, we still didn't start carving away pieces of their countries and giving it to others, as we have here. We didn't muzzle them, cripple their economies and humiliate them for over 15 years! Quite the opposite -- we helped those countries rebuild themselves -- something that we aren't doing for Serbia even though Slobo has been bye-bye for a long time now. We are instead, sowing anger and bitterness for a group of people who have never wronged us. And it is just plain stupid.
That was 1958. We're talking about the 1980s and 1990s.
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That was 1958. We're talking about the 1980s and 1990s.
He also put into place a multiparty democracy, not very communist, and elevated the Roman Catholic Church to a prominent position, not very communist, and he was also twice imprisoned by the communists......your ignorance of the history of the region has been noted.
There were absolutely NO heros in this war. None.....The entire Balkan Campaign from start to finish, was a travisty. It was built on partial truth and a lot of fabrications as the Muslims under my country's support, stirred up the trouble...the Serbs dumbly fell into the trap and responded heavy handed, but no where near the numbers, mass murders and so forth that the Clinton Administration lied about. The Muslims provoked much of what happened and the Serbs were blamed....the Serbian paramilitaries killed POW's, and did some bad things.......
No, NO country was good there not one...and there were no hero's what-so-ever.........
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