"Intelligent design" legislation in New York dies

National Center for Science Education ^ | 26 June 2006 | Staff

[PatrickHenry]

When the New York State Assembly's legislative session ended on June 23, 2006, Assembly Bill 8036 died in committee. If enacted, the bill would have required that "all pupils in grades kindergarten through twelve in all public schools in the state ... receive instruction in all aspects of the controversy surrounding evolution and the origins of man." A later provision specified that such instruction would include information about "intelligent design and information effectively challenging the theory of evolution."

The bill was never expected to succeed; its sponsor, Assemblyman Daniel L. Hooker (R-District 127), was reported as explaining that his intention was more to spark discussion than to pass the bill, and as acknowledging that the bill was "religion-based." Moreover, Hooker is not planning on seeking a third term in the Assembly due to his military commitments: he is expected to be on active duty with the Marine Corps until at least early 2007.

[SaveUS]

LOL Let me see if I can tell what comes next. One of the Creo's will say, "Give me the DNA sequence of a Pink Squatted Nematode." Then, within a couple of posts you will see, "Ha. You wouldn't answer when I asked you a simple question." And then that of course proves creation. And if we are really lucky we will get most every bible quote pasted into one post. The creo's will feel vindicated, and God will be with them. But while God and the Creo's play on the internet, children are molested and abused, crime is rampant in the streets, but hey, God is blessing them.

[RightWingNilla]

So Behe and Dembski arent Christians because they dont embrace YEC?

ID is 100% religiously motivated. That should be painfully obvious to anyone following this stuff.

[Radix]

"..they sure know how to do the Drama Queen thing without effort or, apparently, thought."

Nice of you to provide a (thought) qualifier.

 

 Ignoramuses everywhere will be forever pleased at your oh so considerate condescendence.

Others, not so very ignorant might question your authority to post such things with such impudence.

Me?

 

I just like to stoke the flames, sit back and be astonished at how the simple minded accuse the not so simple minded of simple mindedness with such alacrity!

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Others, not so very ignorant might question your authority to post such things with such impudence."

I've read posts such as yours. What would people ignorant like you do?


I just like to stoke the flames, sit back and be astonished at how the simple minded accuse the not so simple minded of simple mindedness with such alacrity!"

Back at ya! :)

[Radix]

"Back at ya! :)"

Don't ya just love it here?

W/out Free Republic we might be like all of those 1950's gearheads w/out Hugh Hefner. Messing around with motors and no girls to look at.

Before Free Republic we were all watching Rather and the other swine tell us the news while we had our thumbs up our ass.

Yup, I was lost....

Now I gotta fix everything!

LoL!

Good night!

[SaveUS]

"Religious sources such as the Catholic priests Georges Lemaitre, Cusa, Grimaldi and von Kleist?"

I can't say that every religious source is bad, but if 1 in a million is not a bad source, then it is still sufficiently close enough to 0 for me not to worry about it. And if religion is not their motive, and their science is good, I shouldn't even notice that they are religious.

[SaveUS]

"the simple minded accuse the not so simple minded of simple mindedness with such alacrity!"

Sort of like when a scientist shows a 100 million year old dinosaur fossil that once was bone, and is now solid rock, and the Creo's say that they are lying because it is really less than 6000 years old? That kind of simple mindedness?
Or is it the simple mindedness that makes people think that their self centered prayers get answered by God while others prayers are not answered because they have not been a good Christian? Are these the simple minded people you are talking about?
Or are you talking about scientists who use the known laws of physics to characterize physical evidence into a working model, and place the work in the public eye, hoping that someone has a better hypothesis for how this happened? Is it that kind of simple mindedness that you are talking about?
I am quite sure that the definition of simple mindedness would be the people who look at good responsible science and call it a lie because the truth is that God did it.

[Recovering_Democrat]

Restated again, just to make it crystal clear:

I'll just go ahead and trust the Museum of Natural History's publication, the title of the article "The Origins of Life" written by an evolutionist and the notation of all those published articles by evolutionists to help me understand what evolution theory purports.

When ideas are published by evolutionists in scientific publications trying to explain the origin of life, I'll use that as a measuring stick for a definition.

In other words, I'll trust the educated evolutionists to define their terms. Not yours.

[Recovering_Democrat]

Good luck getting a coherent response.

Check out post 111. I give numerous evidences via published articles and links of evolutionists trying to explain the origin of life--and the response I get was something like "ignore that man behind the screen, Evolution doesn't try to explain the origin of life..."

Laugh out loud hilarious.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"I'll just go ahead and trust the Museum of Natural History's publication, the title of the article "The Origins of Life" written by an evolutionist and the notation of all those published articles by evolutionists to help me understand what evolution theory purports."

Evolutionary theory doesn't include the origins of life, as your posts showed. Evolutionary theory cannot say anything about pre-life that is not an imperfect self-replicator.

"When ideas are published by evolutionists in scientific publications trying to explain the origin of life, I'll use that as a measuring stick for a definition."

Just because someone accepts evolution doesn't mean everything they study is evolutionary biology. The origins of life are not included in the ToE, and have never been.

"In other words, I'll trust the educated evolutionists to define their terms. Not yours."

They support my position, not yours.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Check out post 111. I give numerous evidences via published articles and links of evolutionists trying to explain the origin of life--"

As that was posted to me, I'll answer it yet again. It was an explanation for the origins AND the early evolution of life. They were separated, as they are separate fields undertaken by different people using different techniques and different theoretical models.

"Laugh out loud hilarious."

I didn't find your posts THAT funny, a little knee-slap from time to time though. :)

[Recovering_Democrat]

No, the articles clearly support my position that evolutionists attempt to explain the origin of life.

And anyone with an open mind who chooses to read post 111 and the associated links would not walk away thinking otherwise.

[js1138]

Nice ipso facto but I follow this stuff all the time, and ID is not all religiously motivated.

So name a few ID proponents that are not religiously motivated.

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"No, the articles clearly support my position that evolutionists attempt to explain the origin of life."

No they don't. It showed scientists studying the origins of life using something OTHER than the ToE to do so. They are using biochemistry, not Darwin.

"And anyone with an open mind who chooses to read post 111 and the associated links would not walk away thinking otherwise."

Sure they would. They would see a dishonest attempt to conflate scientists who accept evolution with scientists doing evolutionary biology.

[Recovering_Democrat]

As that was posted to me, I'll answer it yet again...

Another error. My post 210 was addressed to jwalsh07, not you.

But I welcome your attempt to explain away the obvious. Post 111 clearly shows evolutionists attempting to explain the origins of life. Even the article by the evolutionist at the beginning of the post speaks to that fact. And the existence of the ISSOL (I think that is the acronym) shows evolution trying to 'splain the origin of life.

Your attempt to separate the idea that evolution doesn't attempt to explain the origins of life is funny to me, though. Especially in the face of repeated references in post 111.

[js1138]

I'm not really in this particular debate, but I am curious: what is wrong with investigating the origin of life?

[CarolinaGuitarman]

"Another error. My post 210 was addressed to jwalsh07, not you."

And as the passage I quoted was this:

"Check out post 111. I give numerous evidences via published articles and links of evolutionists trying to explain the origin of life--"

and post 111 WAS most definitely posted to me, it was YOUR error, not mine.

"Post 111 clearly shows evolutionists attempting to explain the origins of life."

It shows SCIENTISTS who are attempting to explain the origins of life. As over 95% of working scientists accept evolution, what do you think the odds are that these ones would too? Calling them *evolutionists* does not tell us anything about their field of study, as almost all scientists are *evolutionists*. That you can't understand the difference is your problem, not mine.

"Your attempt to separate the idea that evolution doesn't attempt to explain the origins of life is funny to me, though."

Seek therapy, because it is not rational to find so much humor in your own mistakes.

[Recovering_Democrat]

(sigh) Carolina, you can color the sky in your world however you want to. I'm going to recreate, for the few people who might be undecided on this issue, or at least open to the facts, the links and info written by evolutionists and published by evolutionists on how they explain the "origin of life".

I understand, now, that you insist the theory of evolution does not attempt to explain the origin of life. I s'pose if someone found writings by Stephen Jay Gould that attempted to explain the origins of life you might not even accept that...but nevertheless I am no longer concerned with attempting to engage a closed trap mind.

Here, instead are the publications by educated evolutionists discussing their theories on the origins of life.

Wrong on every account. Evolution does not try to explain the origin of life.

Really. Tell that to the American Museum of Natural History in New York City, and the editors of their magazine. This big article sure looks like an attempt to trace evolutionary biologists attempts to explain the origin of life.

"The Origins of Life

Or even this ten-year old web page listing the publication of several attempts by evolutionists to explain the origin of life:

The Origins and Early Evolution of Life

I'll re-create the page here for people interested...the page seems to be very old, with few updates....I do want to note it bears the URL address of the University of California at Santa Cruz.

THE ORIGINS AND EARLY EVOLUTION OF LIFE

The World Wide Web Home Page for research
on the origin and early evolution of life on the Earth.
Updated April, 1997.

The Origins of Life Gordon Conference: July 27 - August 1 1997

Table of Contents

Message from the Editor

The Origins Forum

Meeting Announcements

Published Papers

Vol. 26, #1, 1996

Vol. 26, #2, 1996

Vol. 26, #3-5, 1996

Vol. 26, #6, 1996

Vol. 27, #1, 1997

Papers Accepted for Publication

Special Issues in Progress

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Message From the Editor:
In recent years, the origin and early evolution of life has seen an unprecedented development. New theories concerning the origins of life such as cometary sources of organics, the possible role of marine hydrothermal systems on the chemistry of the primitive earth and the postulate of the RNA world have brought many new scientists to the field of origins of life. It is the role of "Origins of Life and Evolution of the Biosphere" to bring these articles together in one journal. While any scientific study related to the origin of life has its place in the journal, the main interests revolve around theoretical and experimental studies dealing with planetary atmospheres, interstellar chemistry, precambrian studies, prebiotic chemistry, and early evolution.

Since its first publication in 1968 when it was entitled Space Life Sciences, from 1974 to 1983 when it was called Origins of Life and from 1984 to the present as "Origins of Life and Evolution of the Biosphere", it has continued to publish special issues and papers dealing with important topics dealing with the origin and early evolution of life. For example, recent special issues of the Journal include "Marine Hydrothermal Systems," "Comets and the Origins and Evolution of Life," "Water in the Solar System and its Role in Exobiology and "RNA and the Origins of Life. " In addition, OLEB publishes the abstracts from the triennial meetings of the International Society of the Study of the Origins of Life as well as key papers from these meetings. The breadth of coverage is exemplified by the titles of recent papers including:

"Archean Geochemistry of Formaldehyde and Cyanide and the Oligomerization of Cyanohydrin," T. Arrhenius, G. Arrhenius and W. Paplawsky.

"Hydrothermal and Oceanic pH. Conditions of Possible Relevance to the Origin of Life," Gordon Macloud, Christopher McKeown, Alan J. Hall and Michael Russell.

"Chloroflexus Aurantiacus and Ultraviolet Radiation: Implication for Archean Shallow-Water Stromatolites," Beverly K. Pierson, Heather K. Mitchell and Alyson L. Ruff-Roberts.

"The Phylogeny of tRNA Molecules and the Origin of the Genetic Code", M. DiGiulio.

"Chemistry of Potentially Prebiological Natural Products," A. Eschenmoser.

"Nucleotide-Analogs Based on Pentaerythritol - A Hypothesis," Alan W. Schwartz.

"Enantioselective Autocatalysis. Spontaneous Resolution and the Prebiotic Generation of Chirality," William A. Bonner.

"On the Reaction of 2-Aminopropionitrile in Aqueous Media," Katsuhiro Kawashiro, Shigeaki Seno, Shigeru Sugiyama and Hiromu Hayashi.

"Electrical Energy Sources for Organic Synthesis on the Early Earth," Christopher Chyba and Carl Sagan.

"Comet Halley as an Aggregate of Interstellar Dust and Further Evidence for the Photochemical Formation of Organics in the Interstellar Medium," R. Briggs, G. Ertem, J. P. Ferris, J. M. Greenberg, P. J. McCain, C. X. Mendoza-Gomez and W. Schutte.

I am pleased with the good papers being received by OLEB (see the list below). I have been given the flexibility by the publisher to increase the number of journal pages to accommodate the additional papers as needed so expect no delay in their publication. The continued support of the scientific community in sending their manuscripts to OLEB for review is sincerely appreciated.
Jim Ferris

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THE ORIGINS FORUM
November, 1996. The Origins home page invites readers to participate in a forum in which topics having general interest for our field will be discussed. Please send your responses to Dave Deamer (deamer@hydrogen.ucsc.edu) who is editing the home page. Selected comments will be published in the January 1997 update of the home page, at which time a new discussion topic will be introduced. Please expect a certain amount of editing as required by space considerations.

Discussion Topic 2. Please comment on the recent evidence (ALH84001 Mars meteorite) that microorganisms existed on Mars approximately 3.6 billion years ago.

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MEETING ANNOUNCEMENT

Fifth Chemical Congress of North America

Symposium #629: Origins of Organic Matter in the Early Earth: Endogenous vs. Exogenous Sources

Cancun, Quintana Roo, Mexico
November 11-15, 1997

Organizers: R. Navarro Gonzalez, R.K. Khanna, V. Basiuk

Scope: Life on Earth evolved as a result of a process of chemical evolution from simple precursors (HCN, HCHO, etc.) to prebiotic molecules (amino acids, purines, pyrimidines, sugars) and eventually to self-replicating molecules. Current geochemical models for the early Earth suggest that synthesis of organic matter may not have been as favorable as previously thought. This immediately raises the question as to the origin of organic matter necessary for the emergence of life. An alternative view is that complex organics were brought to Earth without a significant chemical degradation ready for the next stage of chemical evolution. The purpose of this symposium will be to address this topic and to try to assess the relative contributions of endogenous (synthesized on Earth) and exogenous (extraterrestrial delivery) sources of the organic matter necessary for the appearance of life. The symposium will be organized into two sessions beginning in an afternoon and ending in the morning of the next day. It will consist of 15 invited speakers and contributed papers in the form of oral and poster presentations.

IF INTERESTED IN ATTENDING, PLEASE RESPOND BY FAX OR E-MAIL TO:

Prof. Vladimir Basiuk
Instituto de Ciencias Nucleares,
Universidad Nacional Autonoma de Mexico,
Circuito Exterior C.U., A.Postal 70-543,
04510 Mexico, D.F., Mexico

Fax: (52-5) 616 2233
e-mail: basiuk@roxanne.nuclecu.unam.mx

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Papers Published in Vol. 26, #1, 1996

Catalysis of the Oligomerization of O-Phosphoserine, Aspartic or Glutamic Acid by Cationic Micelles. C. Boheler, A. R. Hill and L. E. Orgel

Phosphorylation of Glyceric Acid in Aqueous Solution Using Trimetaphosphate. V. Kolb and L.E. Orgel.

Potentially Prebiotic Syntheses of Condensed Phosphates. A.D. Keefe and S.L. Miller

Enantioselective Autocatalysis IV. Implications for Parity Violations Effects. W. A. Bonner

Response of Bacillus subtilus Spores to Dehydration and UV Irradiation at Extremely Low Temperatures. K. Dose and A. Klein

Origins of Life: SA Comparison of Theories and Applications to Mars. L. Davis and C.P.McKay

A Review of Conditions Effecting the Radiolysis Due to 40K on Nucleic Acid Bases and Their DerivativesAdsorbed on Clay Minerals. F.G. Mosqueira, G. Albarran and A. Negron-Mendoza

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Papers Published in Vol. 26, #2, 1996

A Search for Interstellar Oxiranecarbonitrile (C₃H₃NO). J. E. Dickens, W. M. Irvine, M. Ohishi, G. Arrhenius, S. Pitch, A. Bauder, F. Müller and A. Eschenmoser

Was Ferrocyanide a Prebiotic Reagent? A. D. Keefe and S. L. Miller

Possible Role of Volcanic Ash-Gas Clouds in the Earth's Prebiotic Chemistry. V. A. Basiuk and R. Navarro-Gonzalez

Organic Sulfur Compounds Resulting from FeS, H₂S or HCl and CO₂. W. Heinen and A.M. Lauwers

Oligomerization of Uridine Phosphorimidazolides on Montmorillonite: A Model for the Prebiotic Synthesis of RNA on Minerals. P.Z. Ding, K. Kawamura and J.P. Ferris

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Papers Published in Vol. 26, #3-5, 1996

Abstracts (over 200) of the papers presented at the 1996 International Society for the Study of the Origins of Life Meeting in Orleans, France.

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Papers Published in Vol. 26, #6, 1996

Oligomerization of Negatively-Charged Amino Acids by Carbonyldiimidazole. A. R. Hill and L. E. Orgel

Simultaneous Formation of Peptides and Nucleotides from N-Phosphothreonine. W. Zhou, Y. Ju, Y. Zhao, Q. Wang, and G. Luo

2-Aminopropionitrile Polymer. I. The Hydrolyzate of the Basic Fraction. S. Morimoto, K. Kawashiro, M. Watanabe, and A. Ohsaki

The -Sheets of Proteins, The Biosynthetic Relationships Between Amino Acids, and the Origin of the Genetic Code. M. Di Gulio

Book Review: What is Life? The Next Fifty Years. Speculations on the Future of Biology, M. P. Murphy and L. A. J. O'Neill, Reviewed by A. G. Cairns-Smith.

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Papers Published in Vol. 27, #1, 1997

Origin of the Biologically Important Elements. Virginia Trimble (vtrimble@astro.umd.edu)

Circumstellar and Interstellar Synthesis of Organic Molecules. Xander Tielens and S.B. Charnley (tielens@dusty.arc.nasa.gov)

Detection of Organic Matter in Interstellar Grains. Yvonne Pendleton (PENDLETON@galileo.arc.nasa.gov)

The Nature and Evolution of Interstellar Ices. Jean Chiar (chiar@charon.phys.rpi.edu)

The Search for Interstellar Glycine. Lew Snyder (snyder@astro.uiuc.edu)

The Origin of Low Mass Stars. Bruce Wilking (brucew@bok.umsl.edu)

Analogs of the Early Solar System. Dave Koerner (davidk@coma.jpl.nasa.gov)

The Early Solar System. Mike Gaffey (gaffem@rpi.edu)

Physics and Chemistry of the Solar Nebula. Jonathan Lunine (jlunine@LPL.Arizona.EDU)

Chemical Evolution in the Atmosphere of Titan: Comparison to the Prebiotic Earth. David Clarke and Jim Ferris (ferrij@rpi.edu)

Is Extraterrestrial Organic Matter Relevant to the Origin of Life on Earth? D.C. Whittet (doug@whittet.phys.rpi.edu)

Interstellar Ices Studied with the Infrared Space Observatory. D.C. Whittet (doug@whittet.phys.rpi.edu)

The Search for Life on Mars. Chris McKay ( mckay@galileo.arc.nasa.gov)

Habital Zones Around Low Mass Stars and the Search for Extraterrestrial Life. Jim Kasting (kasting@essc.psu.edu)

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Papers Accepted for Publication

Emergence of Template-and-Sequence-Directed (TSD) Syntheses: I. A Bio-Geochemical Model. N. Lahav and S. Nir

Evolutionary Consideration on 5-Aminolevuliniate Synthase in Nature. T. Oh-Hama

Attempted Prebiotic Synthesis of Pseudouridine. J. Dworkin

N-Carbamoyl--Amino Acids Rather Than Free Amino Acid Formation in the Primitive Hydrosphere: A Novel Proposal for the Emergence of Prebiotic Peptides. J. Taillades, I. Beuzelin, L. Garrel, V. Tabacik, C. Bied, A. Commeyras

Ultraviolet Radiation from F and K Stars and Implications for Planetary Habitability. J. F. Kasting, D. C. B. Whittet and William R. Sheldon

Photosynthesis and the Origin of Life. H. Hartman

Dimerization in Highly Concentrated Solutions of Phosphorimidazolide Activated Mononucleotides. A. Kanavarioti

Prebiotic Transamination. J. C. Bishop, S. D. Cross and T. G. Waddell

Extraterrestrial Organic Matter: A Review. W. M. Irvine

Primary Sources of Phosphorous and Phosphates in Chemical Evolution. E. Macia, M. V. Hernandez, and J. Oro

Studies on the Lead-Catalyzed Synthesis of Aldopentoses. G. Zubay

Condensation of Glycylglycine to Oligoglycine with Trimetaphosphate in Aqueous Solution II. Catalytic Effect of Magnesium Ion. Y. Yamagata and K. Inomata

Modelling of the Prebiotic Synthesis of Oligopeptides: Silicate Caytalysts Help To Overcome the Critical Stage. K. I. Zamarev, V. N. Rommanikov, R. I. Salganik and W. A. Wlassoff

Formaldehyde in Hot Springs. D. E. Ingmanson

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Special Issues in Progress:

Papers from the ISSOL Meeting on the Origin of Life, July 7-12, 1996, Orleans, France

Mars: Early Environment and the Origins of Life. Special Editor, Jack Farmer, NASA Ames, email: jack_farmer@qmgate.arc.nasa.gov

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BTW, macroevolution has never been demonstrated.