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"Intelligent design" legislation in New York dies
National Center for Science Education ^ | 26 June 2006 | Staff

Posted on 06/27/2006 3:41:53 AM PDT by PatrickHenry

When the New York State Assembly's legislative session ended on June 23, 2006, Assembly Bill 8036 died in committee. If enacted, the bill would have required that "all pupils in grades kindergarten through twelve in all public schools in the state ... receive instruction in all aspects of the controversy surrounding evolution and the origins of man." A later provision specified that such instruction would include information about "intelligent design and information effectively challenging the theory of evolution."

The bill was never expected to succeed; its sponsor, Assemblyman Daniel L. Hooker (R-District 127), was reported as explaining that his intention was more to spark discussion than to pass the bill, and as acknowledging that the bill was "religion-based." Moreover, Hooker is not planning on seeking a third term in the Assembly due to his military commitments: he is expected to be on active duty with the Marine Corps until at least early 2007.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Philosophy; US: New York
KEYWORDS: anothercrevothread; bewareofluddites; commonsenseprevails; crevolist; goddooditamen; idiocydefeated; idjunkscience; notagain; pavlovian; zeusdoodit
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To: SaveUS
Not sure if I know what you are talking about, but if it has anything to do with a religious source trying to do any "science", I would say YIKES and run away.

Religious sources such as the Catholic priests Georges Lemaitre, Cusa, Grimaldi and von Kleist?

181 posted on 06/28/2006 1:26:13 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

What do you think?


182 posted on 06/28/2006 1:41:18 PM PDT by ahayes ("If intelligent design evolved from creationism, then why are there still creationists?"--Quark2005)
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To: js1138
What about those who make a lot of noise about ounching holes without having anything to back it up?

You again? Let's see, last time we had a discussion you left the scene without ever offering an answer to the question I posed about falsifiability and abiogenesis. IOW's, you punted.

And just what the hell is "ounching holes" anyway? Are they falsifiable? :-}

183 posted on 06/28/2006 1:43:35 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: ahayes

I think you guys need some more help. What do you think?


184 posted on 06/28/2006 1:44:19 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: CarolinaGuitarman

Clownish behavior.


185 posted on 06/28/2006 1:45:46 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Oparin was a biochemist. He didn't study what evolutionary biologists study...

From the link:

the Russian plant biochemist and evolutionary biologist Aleksandr I. Oparin

He *was* an evolutionary biologist studying the Origin of Life.

186 posted on 06/28/2006 1:47:17 PM PDT by Michael_Michaelangelo (The best theory is not ipso facto a good theory.)
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To: jwalsh07

If I punted it because I don't care about uou or you opinions. abiogensesis is an unsolved probelm. I believe it will be solved and you don't. I think opposition to abiogenesis will join the flat earth in the trash heap of ideas, and you don't. so what?

No one has provided an alternative to evolution that does not entail magic. Until some does, the opposition to evolution is just noise.


187 posted on 06/28/2006 1:48:26 PM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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To: jwalsh07
I think you guys need some more help. What do you think?

I think you are getting your butt kicked. Closing your eyes and saying "am not!" doesn't really hold up as argumentation.

188 posted on 06/28/2006 1:48:31 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The Left created, embraces and feeds "The Culture of Hate." Make it part of the political lexicon!)
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To: CarolinaGuitarman
Do you deny you find good design in nature to be evidence of a designer?

I find the universe at large to be evidence of a greater power, a designer if you insist. Good or bad design is a subjective matter irrelevant to the point I was making. I know of no definitive test to detect design in nature. One can infer it or not depending on ones worldview.

You should have asked that question a long time ago, it could have saved you a lot of hysterical shrieking and loss of face.

Like I said you made crap out of whole cloth.

189 posted on 06/28/2006 1:50:37 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: freedumb2003

LOL a subjective opinion from another of the pack? Jump in, I can handle at least a couple of more of the towering intellects from "THE LIST".


190 posted on 06/28/2006 1:52:22 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

I think you're being awfully evasive for someone who's oh so confident.

Do you think the giraffe's neck is too short?


191 posted on 06/28/2006 1:54:17 PM PDT by ahayes ("If intelligent design evolved from creationism, then why are there still creationists?"--Quark2005)
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To: Michael_Michaelangelo
"He *was* an evolutionary biologist studying the Origin of Life."

He was a biochemist studying the origins of life, which is outside the ToE.
192 posted on 06/28/2006 1:54:27 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: js1138
If I punted it because I don't care about uou or you opinions

And yet here you are posting to me again. LOL, you punted because you and your keyboard were tied in knots.

You do understand how silly it is posting to me that you don't care about me or my opinions. Thanks for the chuckle.

193 posted on 06/28/2006 1:54:49 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: ahayes

I think the giraffes neck is just right. Of course, you don't have the requisite male anatomy to answer any of the questions I posed to you. I don't suffer from the same malady. But then again you could be a woman so that dig could be ineffective, so to speak.


194 posted on 06/28/2006 1:56:53 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07

Yes, considering my matrimonial status suddenly acquiring such anatomy would be unfortunate to say the least.

I likewise don't have a problem with the giraffe's neck. I wonder why you've spent so much time blithering about it and implying you did if you don't either. Were you trying to make some sort of point??

If you'll notice, in my first post responding to your non sequitur I said the giraffe's neck works fine. Since I already answered your question long ago, your dig was doubly ineffective.


195 posted on 06/28/2006 2:01:56 PM PDT by ahayes ("If intelligent design evolved from creationism, then why are there still creationists?"--Quark2005)
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To: js1138
I think opposition to abiogenesis will join the flat earth in the trash heap of ideas, and you don't. so what?

Exactly my opinion. So what? Life designed from non life in the lab would effect my worldview not one iota. But by your standards it is just not science to state that life on earth arose from chemical reactions. Biogeneisis is eminently falsifiable, abiogeneisis is not.

No one has provided an alternative to evolution that does not entail magic. Until some does, the opposition to evolution is just noise.

Evolution happens. Big deal. Intellgient design happens. Again, big deal. Evolution is your Holy Grail. It's not mine. I don't spend my life on these threads, I just come here to have fun with the towering intellects. Thanks for the fun but I have to go now. Life calls!

196 posted on 06/28/2006 2:02:49 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: ahayes
Yes, considering my matrimonial status suddenly acquiring such anatomy would be unfortunate to say the least.

Ha! Now that was funny but I really have to "move on". If I don't finish paitning the garage I may wake up in the morning absent some anatomy.

Cheers!

197 posted on 06/28/2006 2:04:51 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
"Like I said you made crap out of whole cloth."

And like I said my point was valid. You want it both ways. You should refrain from bearing false witness so freely.

You STILL won't address the point I made about YOU being the one calling the designer's design into question, not the other poster. Yet you had to be so smug about attacking him for his alleged audacity when it was YOU who questioned the giraffe's design. Every time you ignore this point will be another indicator of your low level of integrity. The indication so far is very bad.

198 posted on 06/28/2006 2:06:34 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: jwalsh07

"I think the giraffes neck is just right."

"The notion that the giraffes neck and leg dimensions were naturally selected is one that is rather dubious if one has ever seen a giraffe drink water."

What is the problem with the giraffe's neck when it comes to drinking water? Or were you for there being a problem before you were against it, Mr. Kerry? :)


199 posted on 06/28/2006 2:11:37 PM PDT by CarolinaGuitarman (Gas up your tanks!!)
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To: jwalsh07
Ad Hominem right off the bat. Doesn't look god for you.

But I'll cut you a break. Please summarize for me your view of giraffes and how they support your views (if at all).

There -- tabla rasa. I am all ears/eyes.
200 posted on 06/28/2006 2:35:10 PM PDT by freedumb2003 (The Left created, embraces and feeds "The Culture of Hate." Make it part of the political lexicon!)
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