[wyattearp]

The notion that the giraffes neck and leg dimensions were naturally selected is one that is rather dubious if one has ever seen a giraffe drink water.

So you're saying that giraffes necks and legs weren't designed very intelligently? Are you sure you want to go there? We could discuss the "creation" flaws in a multitude of critters, showing the sheer stupidity of the "designer". That's always fun. ;-)

[jwalsh07]

Let's assume there is a designer. And let's assume the designer set the universe in motion in one Big Bang and then sat back to watch the result of that design very rarely nudging things in this or that direction.

Until we come to one wyattearp. Now the designer who preordained natures laws and elements has managed in one fell swoop to design a universe that actually works with all that entails.

But Wyatt thinks the designer is stupid because the giraffes neck is too short. The logical question is of course, what has Wyatt ever designed that approaches the complexity of even one element or microbe in the universe. Undoubtedly the answer is nothing, nada, zippo.

So, you'll understand if I take your criticism of the designer with amusement rather than taking it seriously.