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Scholars say tenured professors are rarely fired
Boulder Daily Camera ^ | 6/27/06 | Elizabeth Mattern Clark

Posted on 06/27/2006 8:27:11 AM PDT by freespirited

The University of Colorado has fired two tenured professors in the history of the Boulder campus.

And Ward Churchill, if dismissed, would be the first to be fired because of alleged research misconduct.

Scholars say it's more common at universities that unpopular professors are squeezed out — or given early-retirement settlements — rather than fired. The protection of tenure can make outright job termination a costly and lengthy battle.

Richard Berthold, a former University of New Mexico professor, retired two years after he was censured for telling his class on Sept. 11, 2001: "Anyone who blows up the Pentagon gets my vote."

The 31-year professor said he was "harassed" into retiring after the notorious comment, which prompted death threats and hate mail. He was given a negative post-tenure review and a 1 percent raise at UNM, barred from teaching a freshman Western civilization class he'd led his whole career, and his graduate-student help was cut, he said.

Administrators there kept a close eye on him, he said, and only one faculty member in his department publicly defended him after his comment drew national attention.

"It started to seem that every time I opened my mouth, I was being accused of some kind of unprofessional conduct,"

Berthold said. "At the time, it was getting to me. ... They made it perfectly clear that they didn't want me there, and it was just not as fun anymore."

Churchill came under fire last year for a Sept. 11 essay that compared victims in the World Trade Center attacks to a notorious Nazi. Ensuing allegations of research misconduct prompted investigations that led interim Chancellor Phil DiStefano to call Monday for the tenured ethnic studies professor's dismissal.

Churchill has denied the claims and said he's under a right-wing attack on academic freedom.

The chancellor's decision, which will be appealed and would need Board of Regents approval to be final, is rare for CU.

Members of one CU committee that reviewed Churchill's work called his case an "anomaly" and said they found no other instances in campus history that resulted in a research-misconduct finding. They discovered one case of plagiarism, but that faculty member resigned, apparently as part of a negotiated settlement.

About 40 faculty members nationwide are fired every year, said Jonathan Knight, spokesman for the American Association of University Professors. The ensuing legal battles can last several years.

R. Igor Gamow, fired from CU in 2004, said in a letter to the editor last month that the university has "well-used strategies to eliminate tenured professors" short of dismissing them.

"The first one is to freeze or almost freeze their salaries," he wrote. "The second strategy is to give them unpalatable courses to teach. The third strategy is to move them into administration."

CU dismissed Gamow for "moral turpitude" after seven women accused him of sexual assault and harassment. He denies the allegations and is suing the school for wrongful termination.

Mahinder Uberoi is the only other tenured CU professor to have been fired, said school spokeswoman Jeannine Malmsbury.

Uberoi was dismissed in 2000 for reasons that weren't made public. He had filed eight lawsuits over six years against the university, claiming everything from racial discrimination to hazardous laboratory working conditions and violations of the state's Open Records Act.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; US: Colorado
KEYWORDS: academia; churchill; cu; fired; highereducation; tenure; tenuredradicals; ucolorado; wardchurchill
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To: Verginius Rufus
"UC Santa Cruz needs a new chancellor...maybe they can lure Ward Churchill there.

Mr. Churchill, step over here to edge for a better look at the beautiful campus we have here at UCSC.

UCSC could serve as an effective "shit magnet", the same as Iraq and Afghanistan - to lure the "enemy" into the killing fields... UCSC has all the necessary "attractions" to attract the leftist targets.

Semper Fi

21 posted on 06/27/2006 10:36:51 AM PDT by river rat (You may turn the other cheek, but I prefer to look into my enemy's vacant dead eyes.)
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To: freespirited

Academic tenure = Big Brother thought control

Tenure has got to go!


22 posted on 06/27/2006 10:47:51 AM PDT by eleni121 ('Thou hast conquered, O Galilean!' (Julian the Apostate))
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To: Baynative
their fault for giving tenure to a fake professor and making him the head of a fake department.

The thing is, Native American Studies can be a fascinating topic and is worthy of academic study. The problem is that it's dominated by people like Ward Churchill. They aren't merely bad scholars. They are anti-scholars. They actively prevent scholarship from taking place. They turn what can be a rich field into just another politicized academic ghetto and drive any true scholarship away.

23 posted on 06/27/2006 10:55:42 AM PDT by jalisco555 ("Dogs look up to us, cats look down on us and pigs treat us as equals" Winston Churchill)
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To: eleni121
Eleni121, we just disagree. It is true that I would not want to publicize my beliefs BEFORE tenure, but afterward tenure has allowed me to do things which I could not do without it.

Tenure actually does what it says it does in terms of protecting academic freedom.

The problem lies in the hiring processes for both administrators and faculty. That is where communities and governments will have to establish greater control.

McVey
24 posted on 06/27/2006 11:02:59 AM PDT by mcvey (Fight on. Do not give up. Ally with those you must. Defeat those you can. And fight on whatever.)
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To: jalisco555

I couldn't agree more. I belong to H-West, the scholarly list for historians of western/frontier history.

Most of the members of the list reach their conclusions, then do their "research," then fight to cover each other's backs with ferocity.

It is like the Bloods and the Crips.


25 posted on 06/27/2006 11:05:16 AM PDT by mcvey (Fight on. Do not give up. Ally with those you must. Defeat those you can. And fight on whatever.)
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To: mcvey

I never went to a college, so I certainly am not qualified to argue this point, However. You say if you didnt have tenure, Conservatives wouldnt be able to stay, and then you go on to say its hard for a conservative to get hired in the first place and then are treated to various means to get rid of them. So is tenure only good when you are a liberal?

From the little I have picked up in the 65 years of my life I have found that when anyone believes their feet are in concrete, they start acting like it ,and dont move them much to get the work done. There should always be a means to reward those who work and to get rid of those who dont.

Tenure notwithstanding.


26 posted on 06/27/2006 11:41:46 AM PDT by sgtbono2002 (The fourth estate is a fifth column.)
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To: Baynative

Bingo. Affirmative action bites--you eventually.


27 posted on 06/27/2006 11:42:29 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: sgtbono2002

LOL. Years ago while in-house legal counsel to a university, the Academic Vice President stated to me, "You have to realize that to the faculty, the French Revolution never happened." And by that he meant the class system was alive and kicking at the universities with faculty classed as "nobility" or "royalty".


28 posted on 06/27/2006 11:45:23 AM PDT by caseinpoint (Don't get thickly involved in thin things.)
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To: Baynative

Considering how hard professors work to even get tenure, it is sickening this man makes this much money in a made-up field.

Money Mag listed college professor as one of the best jobs, but it is one of the hardest jobs to get, not to mention the horrible pay in most cases.

I considered it, but decided it was not worth it. I am willing to take low-paying jobs, even write for newspapers (I love journalism and have since I was little). But, the drama and politics of academia are not worth it.

Tenure should be abolished for profs. It will encourage much more competition and allow for bad professors to be eliminated and replaced with ones who really want the job and who love their students.


29 posted on 06/27/2006 11:52:12 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: mcvey

Yikes, and this is why I decided not to become a college professor.

I could get a job at a small Christian college, which I would like, after getting a doctorate etc. But, the pay would be so horrible, even less than public school teachers.

It is not worth it.


30 posted on 06/27/2006 11:55:40 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: mcvey

I will probably become a HS history teacher instead, again, low-paying, especially in the plains states here, but frankly, still more than many college professors make, and the jobs are easier to get.

My hat is off to you for working in college.


31 posted on 06/27/2006 11:58:11 AM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: radiohead

While I think tenure should be eliminated, the reason why the lack of tenure-track jobs is becoming a problem is that people trying to find academic openings have a very hard time doing so, much less actually snagging one. If they find one, it is likely just a temporary gig with pay that won't put food on the table.

Only tenure-track positions provide any kind of job security or decent pay.

The problem with tenure is that it goes too far and effectively makes it impossible to fire somebody.


32 posted on 06/27/2006 12:01:52 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: radiohead

How easy was it to find your job? Is your salary okay?


33 posted on 06/27/2006 12:02:55 PM PDT by rwfromkansas (http://xanga.com/rwfromkansas)
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To: jalisco555

Why should Native American Studies be a different department?

It seems to me that the methods used are not different than those used in the study of Europeans, Chinese, or African Bushmen. Someone specializing in Native American Studies could be housed in History, Anthropology, or Archaeology.

Of course then he wouldn't automatically be protected from mean and nasty criticism from people who think his work is shoddy...

This goes double for woman's studies, black studies, and any other "discipline" that is so weak it needs the studies suffix.


34 posted on 06/27/2006 12:44:55 PM PDT by cosine
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To: mcvey

I want to read that vanity.


35 posted on 06/27/2006 12:56:14 PM PDT by patton (...in spit of it all...)
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To: sgtbono2002
Yes, although the difficulty conservatives have depends on the school they are at and their departments.

What tenure does is give you the legal right to demand cause in case you are fired. The courts have generally been pretty good when the suit reveals solid bias and/or chicanery.

The odd thing is that you rarely hear of Conservatives when they are fired or denied tenure. The Churchill's make the headlines, we don't.

I am just trying to hold on to what can protect us. Again, though, the problem is at the other end--the hiring end. Most schools have some public accountability. For years I taught for Enormous State University. They never published their budget and refused to let any groups outside of the Board and the Deans have any knowledge about it. A taxpayer law suit forced the books open and revealed enormous amounts of corruption.
36 posted on 06/27/2006 1:19:07 PM PDT by mcvey (Fight on. Do not give up. Ally with those you must. Defeat those you can. And fight on whatever.)
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To: rwfromkansas

I had 12 conference interviews, 6 requests to interview, took 4, ended up going only to the 2 I wanted, and got an offer from both.

I'm in a semi-technical aspect of information science (knowledge management, design of information systems, etc). My classmates and I have no problem finding jobs, even the ones who are in the library science track. The problem is staying in school long enough to finish and not take a job ABD and never finish.

The salaries are very good in areas such as mine. In the part of my field geared more to library science, they can be a little lower than I would want, but very good compared to humanities grads. If you are a library science grad with a tech background, you can easily make 70K+, traditional fields may come in around 40-50K. I read about humanities grads happy to take 34K.

I used to practice law and I can't imagine working for years to get the doctorate and then settling for 34K. Again, this has to do with the competitive nature of fields like English lit. If you have thousands of un- or marginally employed lit majors, the schools can pay nothing and get away with it. In tech-related or professonal fields such as library science either you can work outside academe or so few go into the field, that the salaries are much, much better.

I got a very good offer, negotiated it up even further, am going to live in a low cost of living part of the country (part of the overall radiohead life plan) where I'll actually be able to buy a house and live like a person. Could I make more in industry? Yeah, but now I want to do something else with my life.


37 posted on 06/27/2006 1:20:58 PM PDT by radiohead (Hey Kerry, I'm still here; still hating your lying, stinking, guts you coward.)
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To: rwfromkansas; radiohead

I don't want to discourage any conservative from becoming a professor. The work is brutally hard and the pay (at a small college) is less than in the public schools. But you really are boss of your own time and if you guard what you say you can get off as nicely non-political.

In the secondary schools, you will find yourself hand-cuffed much of the time.

If you are successful as a professor, you really do make a difference and are appropriately rewarded.

Having said that, the cost of faculty politics can be terrific.

I like my job and would not like secondary schools. I really do have control of my classroom, my research and my contacts with students and other people.

So, there are ups and downs to both sides.

Good luck to both of you and if I can give you a hand or some advice, freepmail me.

McVey


38 posted on 06/27/2006 1:39:42 PM PDT by mcvey (Fight on. Do not give up. Ally with those you must. Defeat those you can. And fight on whatever.)
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To: mcvey

Thanks for your offer of advice. I think we may have freepmailed previously.

I'm pretty sure I can handle myself in the choppy waters of faculty politics. What amazes me are the folks who post on the Chronicle who seem to never have dealt with real people. They are so afraid of not getting tenure that they put up with terrible situations, they are afraid to speak out in the face of racism and sexism, and they agonize over whether they should have kids before tenure.

I think there's something to be said for having had a previous career, or at least 4-7 years out in the world, before committing yourself to the academy. The young, new PhDs and faculty seem like children to me. One reason I accepted the offer from my new employer was because the small faculty were all about my age. Similar outlook on life, if not politics, similar lack of patience with the office BS that makes life hard. They were quite upfront about wanting faculty who could get along with and respect others.

Of course, I guess you never know what it's really like until you are in it, huh? : )


39 posted on 06/27/2006 2:04:33 PM PDT by radiohead (Hey Kerry, I'm still here; still hating your lying, stinking, guts you coward.)
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To: freespirited

Churchill also lied on his application (grounds for immediate dismissal in any organization, I believe) by saying he was of native heritage in order to get his appointment. He plagerized the written word, and art. Just an all-round great guy -- the kind of person you'd want teaching your kids.


40 posted on 06/27/2006 2:14:24 PM PDT by MayflowerMadam
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