Posted on 06/27/2006 10:32:40 PM PDT by Spiff
I wont arugue with a person like you. Its useless and a waste of my time.
Yes, but some good causes don't win. The fact that seemingly hopeless causes have occasionally triumphed doesn't prove anything. There are powerful reasons for thinking our society is no longer capable of controlling immigration. I say our society, not just our politicians. If it were just the politicians and not just us, they might eventually go along with us -- probably would. But the problem is us, too. Most of us don't have the guts to work hard for a serious crackdown. I'll believe we're losing battles but winning the war when we actually win a few real battles. Hell, a few big demonstrations against illegals would do. But I'm not holding my breath.
I suspect you're whistling past the graveyard. I would love to be proven wrong.
Kind of like the whole campaign in Utah.
People say they want to crack down on immigration. Yet in one of the most conservative districts in the country, they renominate an open-borders guy. This year and two years ago. Not impressive. If we cannot defend this country's borders -- its very integrity as a society -- by means of the democratic process, the democratic process has failed us.
I think we'd better all quit paying attention to politics now, just stay home from the polls. Jacobs had a Clayton Williams moment, and enough other background issues came out for him to have effectively pissed away the primary, but hey, it must be that Utah thought exactly the way Cannon thinks on immigration...er, thinks on it THIS week, as opposed to last week, or the week before that. No way could this loss have ANYTHING to do with the candidate's mistakes being trumpeted all over the place, especially in the last week. Cannon spent half again as much plus some as Jacobs did, and Cannon raised far more money from his politico and PAC buddies--but Jacob's $40,000 worth of support from Team America was obviously WAY more important in this race. It MUST be that Jacob's policy arguments were shown to be unappealing, too. Yep, just stop bothering, because the FROBL says this 42/58 vote for Cannon, who on the subject of immigration lied, turned tail, hid, and even put on his web site a banner blaring 'stop illegal immigration,' well, that 42/58 vote is a message on how HIS view of stopping illegal immigration is the one Americans favor.
/blistering sarcasm
Being stupid is genetic, being ignorant is inexcusable. Because the illegal immigration issue is all that you eat and breath does NOT equate to illegal immigration is all that this country lives and breaths. There are a hundred other issues that are more important to the well being of this country.
BTW, I hate this us and them stuff, so I really should stop using it. I think Illegal immigration is a problem that needs to be tackled. It's the hysterical short sighted tactics that I disagree with.
It is an issue that needs to be addressed. Fortunately there are fine people like Mike Pence who are addressing it.
And by the way...it's not you or people like you who have made this an "us" verses "them" issue.
The American Revolution would have lost but for aid from France and Holland. Yes, we put up an impressive fight, maintained or restored morale under very tough conditions, and that was necessary. But far from sufficient. The Civil War example doesn't work either. The North had worse military leadership for a long time. But it was able to change that. Once it did, its superior resources combined with good leadership to win. With inferior resources, the North probably would not have won. At best, it would have had to let the South alone.
What is your plausible story line for a turnaround on immigration? What factors that block immigration reform are going to change, and how and why? I don't see the way out of this, realistically.
That's my perception as well. But I don't have to feed it.
Yep another "RINO" Tancredo has stabbed in the back. Tancredo is going to find the House a very chilly place.
Pssssssst. That's kind of what Jacobs ended up admitting he did.
LOL. Keep wallowing in your ignorance.
You are correct, sir.
And "Garbage Seeker" should rename himself "Fantasy Seeker."
I've seen that line of reasoning trumpeted over and over and over.
It's finally dawned on me...can you name a SINGLE issue where that reasoning does not apply?
ALL thinks affect every man, woman and child in this country. From the deficit to SS to Immigration, to the WOD to the WOT to Abortion.
It's completely and utterly useless way to prove the superior importance of illegal immigration.
Oops. Thinks=things.
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