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Piling On the New York Times With a Scoop (MSM circles the wagons)
Washington Post ^ | 6/27/06 | Howard Kurtz

Posted on 06/28/2006 4:52:44 AM PDT by teddyballgame

But rarely if ever has any White House mounted such a sustained public campaign against a single news organization. And a vast array of pundits on the right have responded by escalating their rhetoric.

Heather MacDonald, writing in the Weekly Standard, called the Times "a national security threat" that is "drunk" on its own power.

William Bennett, the former Reagan administration official and conservative radio host, said the "cumulative impact" of both Times stories, and The Post's disclosure of secret CIA prisons overseas, had brought the situation to a "critical mass." Conservatives, he said, now wonder: "Gosh, is there a secret operation we're running that won't be disclosed by the press?"

Bennett favors prosecuting journalists in national security cases, but believes that bringing espionage charges is not the best approach. He favors a leak investigation.

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1 posted on 06/28/2006 4:52:45 AM PDT by teddyballgame
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To: teddyballgame

New York Times editors need to be arrested and charged with espionage. The lowliest freelancer doesn't have to go begging to the New York Times not to steal his writings... The law stands with him. If the Times publishes his stuff, he can sue. There's case law surrounding the process of publishing. The State needs to create new case law that deals with publishing State secrets. The way that's done is by our court system. And the start of that has to be an arrest. Where is the FBI?


2 posted on 06/28/2006 4:54:07 AM PDT by GOPJ (Only defense info the NYT has protected since 911 is John Kerry's service record-freeperWristpin)
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To: teddyballgame
"But rarely if ever has any White House mounted such a sustained public campaign against a single news organization."

That should read:

But rarely if ever has a single news organization mounted such a public campaign against any White House.

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3 posted on 06/28/2006 4:55:45 AM PDT by The G Man (The NY Times did "great harm to the United States" - President George W. Bush 6/26/06)
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To: teddyballgame

The thing with the Times has become critical. Either the Times has to get hurt or the Bush administration and the republican party will be badly hurt, one or the other. They (republicans) cannot choose to sit back and ignore this one at this juncture.


4 posted on 06/28/2006 4:57:23 AM PDT by tomzz
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To: teddyballgame

I can only hope that every time the NY Times leaks a secret program, a trap is sprung for some CIA mole such as Mary McCarthy.


5 posted on 06/28/2006 4:57:38 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: teddyballgame
Kurtz has a very short memory. When was the slick willie administration not attacking the press. Saying that if they really wanted a story they'd learn about that right wing conspiracy.

And of course, who can forget the heinous mrs. slick willie remarking that the internet needed to be 'controlled'......(was that her exact word, I can't recall)

6 posted on 06/28/2006 4:59:23 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: GOPJ
Where is the FBI?

I can tell you where they were a number of years ago!

They had ME on a rotisseri when I was working on classified programs and had a friend from Russia.

They were concerned I _MIGHT_ release classified information.

If ONLY I knew that it would be OK to buy a front page ad in the NYT!!

7 posted on 06/28/2006 4:59:47 AM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: tomzz
They (republicans) cannot choose to sit back and ignore this one at this juncture.

Wanna bet? They'll kick and stomp their feet, mount some token investigation and it will disappear from the news. I hope they prove me wrong, but I seriously doubt it.

8 posted on 06/28/2006 5:01:22 AM PDT by tsmith130
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To: teddyballgame
But rarely if ever has any White House mounted such a sustained public campaign against a single news organization. And a vast array of pundits on the right have responded by escalating their rhetoric.

But never has any major mainstream newspaper mounted such a sustained public display of plain treason under the guise of news, and the "people's" right to know where, plainly, the enemy of the state derives priceless benefits to the detriment of both citizens at home and American soldiers in the battleground.... and a vast array, a conglomerate of the clueless and the vicious have compounded the treason by lowering the rhetoric to the logic of children.

9 posted on 06/28/2006 5:01:32 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: tomzz
The thing with the Times has become critical. Either the Times has to get hurt or the Bush administration and the republican party will be badly hurt.

No... it's now reached the point where the Times is hurting the country and our ability to locate and defeat the terrorists... That's what's different now.

10 posted on 06/28/2006 5:05:27 AM PDT by ReleaseTheHounds
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To: teddyballgame

I can only hope their sales will plummet .


11 posted on 06/28/2006 5:05:33 AM PDT by lionheart 247365 (( I.S.L.A.M. stands for - Islams Spiritual Leaders Advocate Murder .. .. .. ))
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To: teddyballgame
And a vast array of pundits on the right have responded by escalating their rhetoric.

So, let me get this straight ... the NYT leaked vital information, and endangered our war effort, and the pundits on the Left don't seem to be upset at all?? Geeeeeeee, I wonder why ...?

The Left wants us to lose the war. How can it be denied? I don't question their patriotism -- all my questions were answered a long time ago.

12 posted on 06/28/2006 5:06:43 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Without a monkey, "You are nothing, absolutely zero. Absolutely nothing.")
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To: GOPJ

I agree that the Times are scums, but the real traitor's are the government leaker's, especially if they are Republican malcontents.


13 posted on 06/28/2006 5:09:03 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: The G Man

"But rarely if ever has any White House mounted such a sustained public campaign against a single news organization."
That should read:

But rarely if ever has a single news organization mounted such a public campaign against any White House.

My thoughts exactly.


14 posted on 06/28/2006 5:13:13 AM PDT by teddyballgame (red man in a blue state)
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To: Gorzaloon
Secret clearances used to mean something.
15 posted on 06/28/2006 5:14:02 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: teddyballgame
"But rarely if ever has any White House mounted such a sustained public campaign against a single news organization"


Nope.

Correction:

Rarely, if ever, has the drive-by media waged such a sustained, nasty, rabid all out war against any administration in this country, or displayed such hatred towards any president.
That is what Howard Kutz should be talking about.
16 posted on 06/28/2006 5:14:29 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: mariabush

"I agree that the Times are scums, but the real traitor's are the government leaker's, especially if they are Republican malcontents."

Highly unlikely that the leakers are Republican malcontents, try lifelong, Bush-hating beaurocrats.


17 posted on 06/28/2006 5:15:45 AM PDT by teddyballgame (red man in a blue state)
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To: tomzz
"Either the Times has to get hurt "

The Slimes are hurting alright.
You should have a look at their stock chart.
BDS can hurt you in your pocket.
18 posted on 06/28/2006 5:16:03 AM PDT by Jameison
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To: Jameison

"Correction:

Rarely, if ever, has the drive-by media waged such a sustained, nasty, rabid all out war against any administration in this country, or displayed such hatred towards any president.
That is what Howard Kutz should be talking about."

Yup, and the level of arrogance on Kurtz. The DBM is so out of touch with where American's loyaties lie. The NYT puts us at greater risk and Kurtz is angry at the White House for pointing it out?!?


19 posted on 06/28/2006 5:18:51 AM PDT by teddyballgame (red man in a blue state)
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To: teddyballgame
I hope that you are right!!!!!
20 posted on 06/28/2006 5:22:02 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: mariabush
Secret clearances used to mean something.

Yes, years later in a different facility I asked the DISCO visitor who was setting us up about the Designated Countries List.

He said with disgust in his voice that it had been dropped because it was Non-PC.

Nevertheless the Laws are still there, and the leaker/NYT vector has to be found and neutralized promptly, and in a manner that would discourage further crimes.

21 posted on 06/28/2006 5:24:46 AM PDT by Gorzaloon
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To: teddyballgame

NEVER buy a copy of their paper.


22 posted on 06/28/2006 5:27:11 AM PDT by BooksForTheRight.com (what have you done today to fight terrorism/leftism (same thing!))
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To: teddyballgame

But rarely if ever has any White House mounted such a sustained public campaign against a single news organization.

As with the Swift Boat vets, liberals don't believe that patriotic Americans act and think on their own. I guess liberals think that Freepers get instructions on what to post from Karl Rove.

23 posted on 06/28/2006 5:28:13 AM PDT by RedRover
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To: teddyballgame

24 posted on 06/28/2006 5:28:54 AM PDT by The G Man (The NY Times did "great harm to the United States" - President George W. Bush 6/26/06)
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To: Gorzaloon
My husband has a crypto (sp) clearance, and was monitored for years.
25 posted on 06/28/2006 5:29:30 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: mariabush; xzins
I agree that the Times are scums, but the real traitor's are the government leaker's, especially if they are Republican malcontents.

Whoever is leaking this information needs to be executed. I don't care who it is, be it the most conservative member of congress or some leftover Clinton Admin bureaucrat, this person along with the NY Times is going to be responsible for the deaths of American citizens. These people have made the US a less safer place. They are complicit in the deaths of innocent people who will now die because our efforts to track terrorists have been compromised.

If the justice department does not aggresively go after the leaker and their accomplices in the MSM, then the Bush Administration will be just as complicit. They should have brought charges after the first leak. They didn't. They should have brought charges after the second leak. They didn't. They should have brought charges after the third leak. They didn't. Now we basically have lost nearly all our weapons in the ability to track terrorists and still nothing has been done.

I simply cannot fathom why the NY Times is still operational. They are on the side of the terrorists. They are, in fact, an Al Queada sleeper cell. Why on earth have they not been shut down? Why are their editors not sitting in cells in Guantanamo?

26 posted on 06/28/2006 5:31:07 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: teddyballgame

Ethel and Julius Rosenberg leave a federal courthouse in New York City in 1950 after being arraigned on charges of espionage. Both were later convicted of passing secret information about the construction of nuclear weapons to the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) and were executed in 1953.

27 posted on 06/28/2006 5:31:15 AM PDT by LucyJo
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To: P-Marlowe
Hopefully, the administration has plans that we do not know about.
28 posted on 06/28/2006 5:33:39 AM PDT by Coldwater Creek ("Over there, over there, We won't be back 'til it's over Over there.")
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To: lionheart 247365; xzins
I can only hope their sales will plummet .

It does not appear that they care.

They are on the side of the terrorists. They seem to be willing to sacrifice their paper in their quest to destroy America.

It is clear that the NY Times is the corporate equivalent of a suicide bomber.

29 posted on 06/28/2006 5:40:36 AM PDT by P-Marlowe (((172 * 3.141592653589793238462) / 180) * 10 = 30.0196631)
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To: teddyballgame

30 posted on 06/28/2006 5:41:10 AM PDT by conservativecorner
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To: lionheart 247365
That is not enough this time. I could agree with a boycott if it were just the usual Leftie Bush hating nonsense that the NYT and their synchophants have been putting out for years, but this is clearly something that gives aid to our enemies, it is treason.

The fact that Mary McCarthy, Dana Priest, and Pinch Sultzberger have not been arrested is beyond my comprehension.
AG Gonzalez and the other LEO of this administration need to quit listening to the tired talking heads on TV, the polls, and our quisling "allies" and arrest these people.
Is the Bush administration so afraid of the anti-war crowd that they fear a backlash by a bunch of dirty hippies who have nothing better to do than harass the soldiers at Walter Reed?

I want President Bush to protect me, my family, and the American people from attack. I don't want any angry words from him, I want direct and decisive action.

During WWII, a German submarine put spies on American soil somewhere near the FL-GA shoreline for the purpose of infiltration and sabotage. I think that there were 8 German spies who were captured in record time.
The other record these spies hold, the Guinness World Book record, is the record for most men executed for espionage in the fastest amount of time. The American gov't tried them and fried them in the most expedient and efficient manner.
Because there was a war on, and guess what? The President and the Generals protected the American people. Pearl Harbor was still fresh in their minds. There was no national amnesia. I know there is a war on now, and the enemy boldly struts and our President can only muster a few angry words.

PRESIDENT BUSH: PLEASE ARREST THE TRAITORS AND KEEP OUR WAR PLANS SAFE. THAT IS YOUR JOB.
31 posted on 06/28/2006 5:42:16 AM PDT by ishabibble
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To: OldFriend
And of course, who can forget the heinous mrs. slick willie remarking that the internet needed to be 'controlled'......(was that her exact word, I can't recall)

I don't recall her exact words either but you got the sentiment right and by "control" she means by the government with her at the helm.

I don't believe she will ever be president and am begining to think she won't even be the dem candidate with the NYT turning on her but she still is the absolutely clearest threat to freedom alive today.

32 posted on 06/28/2006 5:54:32 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: tsmith130

Just as weak responses to early Islamofascist terror led to 9/11. so did this this Administration's wimpy treatment of the Demonrat mafia ( the outrageous lenience of the Bush Justice Dept. toward Sandy Burglar being just one example) encourage them to commit further atrocities. The country is paying a heavy price for Bush's lackadaisical attitude. Any time criminals learn they can act with impunity, they will escalate their activities.


33 posted on 06/28/2006 5:59:52 AM PDT by hellbender
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To: Graybeard58
The NYT turned on her because her support for the war helps Israel.

There are those such as the NYSlimes, Senator Byrd, Pat Buchanan, Chris Matthews, who despise the very fact of the state of Israel, they'd perfer us to lose Iraq.

34 posted on 06/28/2006 6:00:17 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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To: GOPJ

Abraham Lincoln did something very similar. Again, these idiots say stuff without actually knowing anything. "Rarely, if ever. . . "

Abraham Lincoln did it. He jailed the editor of a newspaper. Forceably removed him, had him in restraints.

He's not exactly Richard Nixon in terms of historical stature.


35 posted on 06/28/2006 6:02:52 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: tomzz

It's not the Party that's going to get hurt, its people that are going to get hurt. Someone is going to attack the US or one of its allies and people will die.

This is the point. It's not just politics here. The NYT has done the equivalent of telling the enemy we've broken their codes, after having published an editorial on the importance of breaking their codes.

It's really that simple. That Sulzberger is still breathing free air is indicative of how little respect we have collectively for the rule of law.


36 posted on 06/28/2006 6:07:04 AM PDT by RinaseaofDs
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To: teddyballgame

Investigate. . .but lock an bar their doors. . .in the meantime.


37 posted on 06/28/2006 6:10:52 AM PDT by cricket (Live Liberal free; or suffer their consequences. . .)
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To: tsmith130
Although there would be satisfaction in seeing the Slimes prosecuted, it would be more effective as far as stopping the leaks, to find the leaker and put him away for 10 years or so. This, I believe will effectively stop this sort of treasonous activity. Going after the Slimes will simply make them a victim and give the liberal media ammunition to scream that the Gov. is censoring them.
38 posted on 06/28/2006 6:12:16 AM PDT by Eagles Talon IV
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To: lionheart 247365
"On the New York Times With a Scoop (MSM circles the wagons)...

I can only hope their sales will plummet."

Sales will not plummet, nor advertising. 25-30% of our nation is predictably leftist and that is enough readers and businesses to keep the NYT profitable. But ...

What will bankrupt the NYT is a very public, long, drawn-out criminal investigation by a special prosecutor and an impartial judge. Imagine the trial going on for years, and for discovery the Feds are allowed to subpoena documents dating back to the Pentagon Papers to show a pattern. Include in the indictment low-IQ Pinch Sulzberger, subpoena all his public statements revealing bias. Also include the entire editorial board and the reporter who did the story. Plus the correspondence with the Pulitzer Prize committees. Drag the thing out for years.

So, by the time of the 2008 election the Times folks will be pleading guilty to leaking secrets and conspiracy. Penalities will be in the hundreds of thousands per individual and millions for the NYT.

But their legal fees are the real bill. They will be over $100 million. And the board of directors will fire weasely Pinch and all his editors and instruct them to stop their POS, 1960s, Vietnam-era style of reporting.

And then we will finally have a reasonable throttle on media madness. And today's youth, which are not 1960s hippies but more conservative, will take over the reporting jobs and return us to a time when the media is more respectful and observant of their patriotic duty.

39 posted on 06/28/2006 6:18:15 AM PDT by tom h
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To: ishabibble

Amen.


40 posted on 06/28/2006 6:27:20 AM PDT by Son Of The Godfather
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To: Son Of The Godfather

New term: "Circling of the Dinasours"


41 posted on 06/28/2006 6:29:38 AM PDT by teddyballgame (red man in a blue state)
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To: ClearCase_guy

Is anyone upset because the WSJ published information about the program? Or is it immune due to its political bent?


42 posted on 06/28/2006 6:30:17 AM PDT by lugsoul (Livin' in fear is just another way of dying before your time. - Mike Cooley)
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To: lugsoul
In what way would our security be higher, if the WSJ had refrained? The cat was out of the bag. The guilty party is the one that goes first. The followers are not making the situation worse.

And the NYT has a real track record for doing this. Sabotaging the war is basically their official policy.

43 posted on 06/28/2006 6:35:05 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Without a monkey, "You are nothing, absolutely zero. Absolutely nothing.")
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To: teddyballgame

It is good to know the rest of the OLD Media share the same values of hate with the NYTimes. Hopefully, others will recognize the rest of them for what they are.


44 posted on 06/28/2006 6:39:51 AM PDT by Neoliberalnot
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To: ClearCase_guy
And what is the basis for your statement that NYT went first? They published on the same day. In fact, they posted on their web sites at nearly the same time.

In what way would our security be higher if NYT didn't publish? None, because others were publishing.

45 posted on 06/28/2006 6:40:06 AM PDT by lugsoul (Livin' in fear is just another way of dying before your time. - Mike Cooley)
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To: lugsoul
In fact, they posted on their web sites at nearly the same time.

Which paper had it on their web site first? C'mon -- you know the answer.

46 posted on 06/28/2006 6:45:31 AM PDT by ClearCase_guy (Without a monkey, "You are nothing, absolutely zero. Absolutely nothing.")
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To: ClearCase_guy
Actually, I don't. But the minutes between the posting by THREE newspapers was not enough for any of them to react to whoever was first and publish their own story. They aren't cut-and-paste jobs of each other.

Be intellectually honest for just a moment and explain why you aren't angry with the WSJ.

47 posted on 06/28/2006 6:53:01 AM PDT by lugsoul (Livin' in fear is just another way of dying before your time. - Mike Cooley)
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To: lugsoul

NYT ran the story after that the flood gates opened (WSJ, LA Times and WaPost). If you want people to be mad at them as well, fine. But lets face facts, the NYT has got a track record that does not compare to anyone.

They have gone out of the way to hurt this administation and endanger the security of America at any opportunity. So, if you want to soun indignant - go ahead.


48 posted on 06/28/2006 7:17:55 AM PDT by teddyballgame (red man in a blue state)
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To: The G Man
"But rarely if ever has a single news organization mounted such a public campaign against any White House."

You beat me to it. The MSM always casts these controversies as "White House declares war on the press," rather than admitting that the press has declared war on the White House, and that the White House is merely responding.
49 posted on 06/28/2006 7:18:53 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: ClearCase_guy
"I don't question their patriotism -- all my questions were answered a long time ago."

Just last week Dixie Chick Natalie Mains (sp?) explicitly derided patriotism, so why do liberals get mad when we just take them at their own word? I have heard many liberals criticize patriotism, so why is it wrong to say that they are unpatriotic?
50 posted on 06/28/2006 7:22:39 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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