WE LOST THE (IMMIGRATION)REFERENDUM

Lonsberry.com ^ | 6/28/06 | Bob Lonsberry

[P-40]

Wasn't this the race where one of the candidates started talking about Satan?

[stinkerpot65]

This is a blog posting, not a legitimate news source.

[Dane]

Wasn't this the race where one of the candidates started talking about Satan?

Yes, John Jacob was the one who told the editorial board of the Salt Lake Tribune that satan was basically out to get him becuse he couldn't raise enough money, and then asked them not to print it.

Of course before the primary a score of people were telling me that it wouldn't make a difference in Utah and then today on another thread another Jacob supporter said it did(after the primary results came in).

I'll tell you one thing politics is a fascinating study of human behavior.

[tflabo]

"I saw Jacob on TV , he came across a bit strange. Sorry, but first impressions are everything."

It takes an outstanding candidate to unseat an incumbent and more so in a primary off season vote.

[Free Dominoes]

Definition of a moonbat: A guy who thinks someone who panders to illegals and La Raza is a conservative.

[daviddennis]

I'm really curious about this one.

I understand why in California or Texas, illegal aliens are a big issue. They are, after all, there.

I live in Pennsylvania, a cold weather state that's losing population. Right now, Republican incumbant Senator Rick Sanatorium is running radio ads discussing his opposition to illegal aliens.

From what I can see, quite bluntly, Pennsylvania could use illegal immigrants, even those that have children and user city services. We need young people. Our school taxes are absurd because huge buildings with few students are being maintained. A few extra students would not kill us and would probably help the vitality of our area. And I daresay the same is true of hospitals and other institutions that are overloaded elsewhere in the country.

My foggy impression is that Utah is a similar type of location - another cold weather place losing population to the South and West. Per Wikipedia, it would have lost population without migration from outside of the US.

I would think that the 60,000-odd people who immigrated into the state from a foreign country would be easily absorbed into a population of 2.5 million, and therefore illegal immigration would not be much of a concern, if not any at all.

So why on earth would someone run on an anti-illegal platform in a state where there are not enough illegals to matter?

I think illegals would be largely welcome in most states where populations are shrinking or treading water. The big problems with illegals in California are due to huge numbers that strain resources locally. I'll bet if we could encourage them to migrate more evenly throughout the country we would have little problem absorbing them.

But I think most Mexicans and other illegals would have a very hard time living in cold weather states.

Thoughts?

D

[Mike Darancette]

If yesterday’s Republican Primary in Utah’s third congressional district was a test of the country’s sentiment on illegal immigration, it is unarguably clear that people aren’t that bothered by it. At least they’re not in Utah.

I don't think the Mormons see illegal immigration in quite the same light as other folks.

[tennmountainman]

"I will give Lonsberry some credit, he noticed and admitted that there is a world outside his echo chmaber"

Maybe u can invite him up the the Great Blue State for a Philly Cheese Steak.

[tennmountainman]

Take out some of his Novice mistakes, The presidents phone calls
and you have a different ending.

[kingu]

Please Drier was being pummeled by John and Ken who have a microphone from a 50,000 watt station in Los Anglees. Then they also did bigtime cheerleading for Jim Gilchrist, both of the John and Ken candidates lost big.

Really? Hadn't noticed John and Ken doing much during the Sardo campaign, though I'm sure I'll be seeing Fire Dreier signs again this fall.

Pick any twenty people walking down the street in the 22nd, ask them who Sonny Sardo is, and virtually no one will know. Ask the same twenty who David Dreier is, and you'll see this was absolutely not based upon issues but on name recognition.

[P-40]

satan was basically out to get him

Playing the Satan Card was probably not a good option...

[Shermy]

""Right now, Republican incumbant Senator Rick Sanatorium is running radio ads discussing his opposition to illegal aliens.""

As far as I know Casey doesn't disagree with Santorum there so it seems senseless for that reason too.

[Wallace T.]

With regard to Mexicans and other Latin Americans living in cold weather climates, keep in mind that Chicago and Northern Indiana have had a substantial Mexican-American community for decades, as has Denver. New York City and environs have had a large Puerto Rican and Caribbean population for a long time as well. OTOH, there was a large settlement of Germans and other Central Europeans in Central and South Texas, including the Hill Country, in the 1800s. Most of their white neighbors were from the Southeastern states, whose forbears came from the British Isles in colonial times.

If the jobs are there, people will migrate, irrespective of the climate of the land of their origins.

[Richard-SIA]

"REFERENDUM"?

Nope, when one of the contestants loses his mind and starts blaming "the devil" for his slipping in the polls there is no referendum to be held.

Rational people will either hold their noses and vote for the SANE candidate, or stay home.

Looking at the turn out, most stayed home.

If the RNC, White House, or open border lobby think this is their new weather vane, they are also delusional.

Make illegal entry a felony, close the border, fine the employers, begin asset forfeiture, make the invaders deport themselves!

[JDB520]

Jacobs was weak. Chris cannon pretty much made himself out to be Tancredo in his adds. Utahns believed it. I also think the LDS church position on Illegals had alot to do with this. They think it is prophecy for the Mexicans to take Utah back. So with the Mormons on board it is like a self fulfilling prophecy.

[CWOJackson]

It's pretty evident that it's mostly "the base" that votes in primaries. DESPITE the out-of-state efforts by bay buchanan and the Tancredo PAC to energize this issue 20% of the voters bothered to vote and they gave Cannon a double digit victory. One of the problems with setting up and pushing a referendum...you might not like the results.

[JDB520]

I think what this election showed is that the voters of Utah don't care. It was a weak turnout. Cannon had the money and GW/Laura Bush making phone calls.

[Richard Axtell]

WAAAAY too much was made of this race in too short a time. This decides very little, so don't make the mistake of reading this as some kind of bell weather, and don't let Snow snow you on that either. I like Tony, and I like Bush, but the Senate bill is dead... if the American people actually find out what is in it. That's the House Conservative Republican's job this summer, making sure everyone is fully aware of just what a disastrous mistake it would be to allow its passing. Plenty to come, so keep yer powder dry.

[colorado tanker]

Once you guys get done throwing everybody out you don't think is a "real" conservative, you might have enough votes left to elect a mayor of Dogpatch.

[JustPiper]

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