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WE LOST THE (IMMIGRATION)REFERENDUM
Lonsberry.com ^ | 6/28/06 | Bob Lonsberry

Posted on 06/28/2006 1:45:44 PM PDT by Dane

WE LOST THE REFERENDUM

It was a landslide.

They had that referendum on illegal immigration yesterday and the answer was clear.

People don’t care.

I’m not saying that as a criticism, or as accusation, but as an observation. If yesterday’s Republican Primary in Utah’s third congressional district was a test of the country’s sentiment on illegal immigration, it is unarguably clear that people aren’t that bothered by it.

At least they’re not in Utah.

Congressman Chris Cannon pounded the living snot out of challenger John Jacob. It wasn’t even close. John Jacob lost in every county, jurisdiction and precinct. At no point did he lead in any category and every new report of results was more bad news. As I sat last night at the computer with his staffers, watching the results post on the Internet, it was clear that by the time 10 percent of the precincts had posted that the race was lost.

So I’ve got egg on my face.

I attacked Chris Cannon ruthlessly. I was John Jacob’s loudest and most passionate defender. His loss is also my loss. His failure to represent the interests of the people is also my failure to read the interests of the people. What I thought was important was clearly unimportant to the voters. And in a republic, the voters are always right.

It turns out that Salt Lake City’s two daily newspapers, and Provo’s newspaper, the state’s other talk-show host, and most of the state’s politicians were all more in touch with the sentiments of the Republicans in the Third District than I was. It is clear that their general liberalism is a better reflection of voter sentiment than my rabid conservatism.

And I should have known that. Instead, I was blinded by my desire to evangelize the world to my view of freedom – a decidedly conservative and Constitution-based view. But Utah is not a politically conservative state. It is dominated by the Republican Party, but not by conservative Republicans. The governor is a moderate to liberal, one senator is a moderate and the other is arguably a liberal. The last two governors were moderate to liberal and the attorney general is moderate to liberal.

Those are not accusatory labels, they are merely demonstrations of the consistently expressed will of the people. When Utahns go to the polls, they often pick moral conservatives, but rarely pick political conservatives. More typically they go for social liberals.

And they rarely go for political challengers from the right.

So, logically, John Jacob’s campaign was doomed from the beginning. And I should have known that. I probably did know that, but chose to ignore it, caught up in the talking-head argument that this was the time and place the people would rise up against government neglect of the border and acceptance of illegal immigration.

That argument made sense. This was the chance. It was the chance for conservatives in the Republican Party to call to account the ruling liberal wing of the party. But that is not what the voters wanted.

And that can’t be ignored.

If this was a referendum on illegal immigration, it seems the people want Senate over House, Kennedy over Tancredo. It seems that Chris Cannon’s 10 years of being the open-borders guy in the House is something the Republicans in Utah’s Third District wanted to reward.

Again, that is not an accusation. It is not bitterness. It is an observation. The landslide re-election of an incumbent is not a call for change – in that incumbent’s conduct or in the direction of his party. It is a ratification and approval of what they both have stood for.

George Bush and Vicente Fox won last night. It was a fair fight, I made the issue as clear as I could, and people chose what I wasn’t selling. Which is their right and the great beauty of our republic.

We tried to make our stand, and we got steamrollered. We can take comfort in knowing that we did our best, and we can seethe in the bitterness of knowing that it didn’t do any good. It was duty done, but pointlessly.

And I apologize for that. For taking up so much of your time with this issue. For being so passionate about something for which there is not a public enthusiasm. For being clearly out of touch with what Republicans want. For misreading the potential of this election.

It is impossible to ignore the fact that Chris Cannon won this primary by a larger margin than he won the primary two years ago. Last time’s $50,000 campaign did better than this time’s $700,000 campaign. And even that second figure is uncertain. It is possible that John Jacob’s campaign ran out of money a month ago, that it was underfunded. It is possible that John Jacob was a poor candidate.

But it is also irrelevant.

In his concession remarks – he bypassed a prepared speech – John Jacob said that the results of the election showed that Chris Cannon has support in Washington.

Actually, that’s not right.

The results showed that Chris Cannon has support in the Third District.

His constituents have known him for a decade and they seem overwhelmingly to like him and what he does. The referendum failed. It’s business as usual – business with which the voters seem completely content.

If this primary was an opening battle in the war to bring the Republican Party back to its conservative roots, we got massacred. And that will be noticed and have consequences. We conservatives hoped to show momentum and strength and didn’t. And we may have hurt our cause substantially as a result. Opposition to illegal immigration has been hurt, and so has the attempt to chastise the party. We fell flat on our face, and to the winner go the spoils.

Politics is like baseball. When you lose, you congratulate the winner and walk off the field.

Chris Cannon won because he represented what people want. He won the election. He deserves congratulations.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Politics/Elections; US: Utah
KEYWORDS: aliens; baybuchanan; cannon; election2006; hannity; housemanager; immigrantlist; immigration; impeachmentmanager; jacob; owned; pwn3d; rushlimbaugh; savage; tancredo
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A non-bitter bitter article about last nights Utah-3 GOP primary.

And Utah is not a politcally conservative state? Huh?

JMO, what does this guy smoke?

1 posted on 06/28/2006 1:45:45 PM PDT by Dane
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

ping


2 posted on 06/28/2006 1:48:17 PM PDT by gubamyster
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To: Dane
And Utah is not a politcally conservative state? Huh?

Utah is now populated with RINOs. What crap.

3 posted on 06/28/2006 1:50:14 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Dane
"Utah is now just barely to the right of Vermont."

Signed,

Tom "The Border Pimp" Tancredo

4 posted on 06/28/2006 1:51:30 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Free Republic is Currently Suffering a Pandemic of “Bush Derangement Syndrome.”)
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To: Dane

Bil-bray.


5 posted on 06/28/2006 1:51:47 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Dane

dude needs to up his meds....

LOL

That election was a speed bump, nothing more.


6 posted on 06/28/2006 1:51:48 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Texasforever
Utah is now populated with RINOs. What crap

Amazing the spin, isn't it.

7 posted on 06/28/2006 1:51:48 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane

Well Jacobs kind of imploded after the whole giving money to illegals disclosure. Long time from June to November so don't doom and gloom, or fist pump prematurely.


8 posted on 06/28/2006 1:52:12 PM PDT by thinkthenpost
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To: Dane

Well, now that we've heard from the mouthpiece and advocate for the Mexican citizens in the U.S., it would be nice to hear the voices of those who advocate and support U.S. citizens.


9 posted on 06/28/2006 1:52:26 PM PDT by DoughtyOne (The Democrat Leadership Trifecta 2006: Anti truth, U.S. and sanity. Another leftist generation lost.)
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To: Texasforever

I will give Lonsberry some credit, he noticed and admitted that there is a world outside his echo chmaber.


10 posted on 06/28/2006 1:55:08 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: taxed2death

""dude needs to up his meds....""

Kind of an egomaniac eh?

It wasn't just a speed bump, for some. It was a cathartic release of venom. You should have seen the thread last night, the pro-illegals were threatening death to Tancredo, his "ostracization", it was a regular Spanish Inquisition.

They're going to have a rough summer with the House hearings and "road show." They, like Specter, will be pleading, pleading they are really "enforcement firsters".


11 posted on 06/28/2006 1:56:43 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Dane
You can't win every battle, and the war hasn't been going for long. It's stupid and defeatist to give up on this. I am convinced that other states will not take as kindly to illegal immigration as Utah did. If the R's continue down this pro-illegal path, they will lose the 08 presidential election. Despite everything, I don't think they are totally unaware of that. And if they are, these mobile hearings the House is putting on will correct that little issue.
12 posted on 06/28/2006 1:56:57 PM PDT by JamesP81
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To: thinkthenpost

"Well Jacobs kind of imploded after the whole giving money to illegals disclosure."

What are you referring to? Do you have a link?


13 posted on 06/28/2006 1:58:12 PM PDT by BB62
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To: Dane

If too many Republicans believe this election to be a bell-weather that says 'nobody cares about immigration', my predicitons of a GOP nightmare November are back on course.


14 posted on 06/28/2006 1:58:44 PM PDT by Antoninus (Public schools are the madrassas of the American Left. --Ann Coulter, Godless)
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To: gubamyster

"One election does not a movement make" Ronald Wilson Reagan, cir 1974.


15 posted on 06/28/2006 1:58:45 PM PDT by zerosix (Native Sunflower)
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To: Shermy
You should have seen the thread last night, the pro-illegals were threatening death to Tancredo, his "ostracization", it was a regular Spanish Inquisition.

BS, and you know it. But you guys are prone to hyperbole, like tom tancredo.

I can show you some replies from this morning where some on FR were spewing there venom at Mormons.

16 posted on 06/28/2006 1:59:41 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane

Are u out of your Blue PA State Mind?

Do you u think Chis Cannon's 19 000 Votes will override the rest of the Nations 100 Million voters.

You won a battle against a novice who made mistakes.

Onward To The House Field Hearings On The Senate Bill!
That Should Be an interesting battle when the Senate Bill is exposed for the Sham it is.


17 posted on 06/28/2006 2:00:30 PM PDT by tennmountainman
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To: Dane

And John McInsane got 75% of the vote in Arizona. Something stinks with those e-voting machines.


18 posted on 06/28/2006 2:01:44 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: BB62
here's a quick link mostly blog posts from a Utah TV stations report. Google it,
http://www.ksl.com/index.php?nid=148&sid=325043&comments=true
19 posted on 06/28/2006 2:02:55 PM PDT by thinkthenpost
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To: John Lenin
And John McInsane got 75% of the vote in Arizona. Something stinks with those e-voting machines

I think you missed that left turn in Alberquerque, this isn't DU.

20 posted on 06/28/2006 2:03:23 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: JamesP81

ONWARD TO THE HOUSE FIELD HEARINGS ON THE SENATE BILL

EXPOSE THE SHAM IN THE LIGHT OF DAY.


21 posted on 06/28/2006 2:03:36 PM PDT by tennmountainman (o)
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To: Dane

Senators Hatch and Bennett are a liberal and a moderate?

That's not what I've seen by looking at their voting records.


22 posted on 06/28/2006 2:05:32 PM PDT by MplsSteve
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To: Dane

""You should have seen the thread last night, the pro-illegals were threatening death to Tancredo, his "ostracization", it was a regular Spanish Inquisition.""

"BS, and you know it. But you guys are prone to hyperbole, like tom tancredo."

________________________________

Gosh Dane, you're suffering from a bad case of projection-itis. Your obsession with Tancredo is unhealthy. I'd suggest taking some time off for you but I suspect you will see it a plot to silence your voice.



23 posted on 06/28/2006 2:05:53 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: taxed2death

Like the last poster said BIL-BRAY!!

Its hard to judge just what is th edeciding factor in local elections.

Very often the incumbent is able to use his office to dispense favors and massage the electorate to the point that they are putty in his hands.

The fail to see the policy through the personality.

Were BOTH candidates Mormons? Utah is a heavily Mormon state and I doubt if any non-Mormon could ever get elected there. Has the Mormon Church gone the way of the Methodists and Episcopalians and Prebyterians in caving in to liberal political issues?

On the other hand, look at that brainless twit Orrin Hatch.

The fact that he gets constinually elected to office is nothing short of miraculous. The man is just a few neurons ahead of Frank Lautenberg. But he keeps running and keeps getting in.

Remmember BIL-BRAY.

This IS a bumb in the road - nothing more.


24 posted on 06/28/2006 2:05:56 PM PDT by ZULU (Non nobis, non nobis, Domine, sed nomini tuo da gloriam. God, guts, and guns made America great.)
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To: Dane

Microsoft gets hacked daily. The DOD gets hacked all the time. And you think an e-voting machine can't be hacked ? The only DUmmie I smell is you.


25 posted on 06/28/2006 2:06:21 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: tennmountainman

".........won a battle against a novice who made mistakes."

...and not by the predicted landslide like some were alluding too.


26 posted on 06/28/2006 2:07:26 PM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: Dane

I saw Jacob on TV , he came across a bit strange. Sorry, but first impressions are everything.


27 posted on 06/28/2006 2:10:14 PM PDT by griswold3 (Ken Blackwell, Ohio Governor in 2006- No!! You cannot have my governor in 2008.)
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To: Dane
Definition of a moonbat: A guy who thinks someone with a lifetime ACU rating of 97 isn't a conservative.
28 posted on 06/28/2006 2:11:37 PM PDT by colorado tanker
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To: Dane

people are reading into the election things that the election doesn't symbolize.

People chose an incumbant over a person who acted kind of nuts.

This is surprising?


29 posted on 06/28/2006 2:13:14 PM PDT by Knitting A Conundrum (Act Justly, Love Mercy, and Walk Humbly With God Micah 6:8)
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To: John Lenin
Generally a voting machine is either stand alone, or in a closed loop, basically just say 6 or 10 machines and an accumulator and there is no connection to anything else. I am not saying they cannot be hacked but I think it would be pretty obvious if the poll workers are paying attention. I believe to really make a difference it would have to someone in an elections department who is involved in the actual totaling of votes. I don't see a way to affect outcomes other than an inside job. Voting machines just aren't online or connected to the web to be vulnerable to hacking attempts.
30 posted on 06/28/2006 2:13:21 PM PDT by thinkthenpost
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To: Knitting A Conundrum
This is surprising?

All politics is local. Watch what happens to RINOs in districts where the issue matters more to its voters.

31 posted on 06/28/2006 2:15:17 PM PDT by mewzilla (Property must be secured or liberty cannot exist. John Adams)
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To: Dane
Something that people forget - no matter how wonderful the arguments are stated on the Internet, most voters will never read it.

This campaign was lost based upon name recognition, natural tendency to continue voting for the incumbent, and a lack of getting the message out. A similar event happened here - David Dreier was challenged by a wonderful candidate, Sonny Sardo. While there is great dissatisfaction in the district for David Dreier, Sonny Sardo had little chance of unseating him - mostly because there was little of getting Sardo's message to the voters.

Anyone who wants to put any particular spin on any election has to demonstrate that their viewpoint was first put out for the voters to hear and consume, and that they did in fact do this.
32 posted on 06/28/2006 2:15:44 PM PDT by kingu (Yeah, I'll vote in 2006, just as soon as a party comes along who listens.)
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To: thinkthenpost

I believe the results are sent in over a modem.


33 posted on 06/28/2006 2:18:08 PM PDT by John Lenin
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To: Dane

Jacobs was a lousy (not to say borderline loony) candidate. It wasn't the (immigration) message. It was definitely the messenger. Whether it was really his fault or a hostile media and an effective negative campaign by the Cannon folks is moot. Jacobs was defeated, not the question of dealing effectively with the border.

The race in California a few weeks ago was much more indicative of the mood across the country. A serious candidate with a serious position won with addressing border security first as his primary message.


34 posted on 06/28/2006 2:20:57 PM PDT by Phsstpok (Often wrong, but never in doubt)
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To: ZULU

Agreed. Congressman Chris Cannon outspent his opponent 10-1 or better and made big news of the fact that he voted for the house immigration bill so he was, really, really, tough on border control.


35 posted on 06/28/2006 2:21:46 PM PDT by Vigilanteman (crime would drop like a sprung trapdoor if we brought back good old-fashioned hangings)
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To: John Lenin
Not in El Paso County, and as long as it never gets to the web, the hacker would basically have to have physical access to the phoneline to get ahold of the data.

Other towns, cities, counties, and states may do things differently.
36 posted on 06/28/2006 2:22:06 PM PDT by thinkthenpost
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To: kingu
David Dreier was challenged by a wonderful candidate, Sonny Sardo. While there is great dissatisfaction in the district for David Dreier, Sonny Sardo had little chance of unseating him - mostly because there was little of getting Sardo's message to the voters

Please Drier was being pummeled by John and Ken who have a microphone from a 50,000 watt station in Los Anglees. Then they also did bigtime cheerleading for Jim Gilchrist, both of the John and Ken candidates lost big.

Sometimes you have to face the fact that the issue isn't resonating with voters, and not blame the voters.

37 posted on 06/28/2006 2:22:17 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Vigilanteman
Agreed. Congressman Chris Cannon outspent his opponent 10-1

Uh it was more like 3-2.

38 posted on 06/28/2006 2:23:25 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: thinkthenpost; John Lenin

I was a poll judge yesterday. The machines register each vote on a papeer tape as well as a memory card. The memory cards are gathered (as well as the tapes) and turned into a central tallying location. If numbers were hacked it would be there.


39 posted on 06/28/2006 2:23:49 PM PDT by colorcountry ( Run with scissors???? I can barely jog my memory)
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To: Texasforever; AmishDude; Torie; sinkspur
Just another observation, that could be called the cruelty of Fox News and also of talk radio like Hannity and somewhat now Rush.

Fox puts people on such as Jim Gilchrist, Chris Simcox, Michelle Malkin, Tom Tancredo, etc.etc. and just because they are on Fox News or Hannity's show, some on FR think that the whole country agrees with them and then when elections like this happen, there is a big letdown.

But what does Fox, Hannity, or Rush care, they are just looking for viewers and listeners.

40 posted on 06/28/2006 2:31:36 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: Dane

Wasn't this the race where one of the candidates started talking about Satan?


41 posted on 06/28/2006 2:35:13 PM PDT by P-40 (Al Qaeda was working in Iraq. They were just undocumented.)
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To: Dane

This is a blog posting, not a legitimate news source.


42 posted on 06/28/2006 2:41:00 PM PDT by stinkerpot65
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To: P-40
Wasn't this the race where one of the candidates started talking about Satan?

Yes, John Jacob was the one who told the editorial board of the Salt Lake Tribune that satan was basically out to get him becuse he couldn't raise enough money, and then asked them not to print it.

Of course before the primary a score of people were telling me that it wouldn't make a difference in Utah and then today on another thread another Jacob supporter said it did(after the primary results came in).

I'll tell you one thing politics is a fascinating study of human behavior.

43 posted on 06/28/2006 2:43:01 PM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: griswold3

"I saw Jacob on TV , he came across a bit strange. Sorry, but first impressions are everything."

It takes an outstanding candidate to unseat an incumbent and more so in a primary off season vote.


44 posted on 06/28/2006 2:47:32 PM PDT by tflabo (Take authority that's ours)
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To: colorado tanker

Definition of a moonbat: A guy who thinks someone who panders to illegals and La Raza is a conservative.


45 posted on 06/28/2006 2:47:45 PM PDT by Free Dominoes
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To: Dane

I'm really curious about this one.

I understand why in California or Texas, illegal aliens are a big issue. They are, after all, there.

I live in Pennsylvania, a cold weather state that's losing population. Right now, Republican incumbant Senator Rick Sanatorium is running radio ads discussing his opposition to illegal aliens.

From what I can see, quite bluntly, Pennsylvania could use illegal immigrants, even those that have children and user city services. We need young people. Our school taxes are absurd because huge buildings with few students are being maintained. A few extra students would not kill us and would probably help the vitality of our area. And I daresay the same is true of hospitals and other institutions that are overloaded elsewhere in the country.

My foggy impression is that Utah is a similar type of location - another cold weather place losing population to the South and West. Per Wikipedia, it would have lost population without migration from outside of the US.

I would think that the 60,000-odd people who immigrated into the state from a foreign country would be easily absorbed into a population of 2.5 million, and therefore illegal immigration would not be much of a concern, if not any at all.

So why on earth would someone run on an anti-illegal platform in a state where there are not enough illegals to matter?

I think illegals would be largely welcome in most states where populations are shrinking or treading water. The big problems with illegals in California are due to huge numbers that strain resources locally. I'll bet if we could encourage them to migrate more evenly throughout the country we would have little problem absorbing them.

But I think most Mexicans and other illegals would have a very hard time living in cold weather states.

Thoughts?

D


46 posted on 06/28/2006 2:48:31 PM PDT by daviddennis
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To: Dane
If yesterday’s Republican Primary in Utah’s third congressional district was a test of the country’s sentiment on illegal immigration, it is unarguably clear that people aren’t that bothered by it. At least they’re not in Utah.

I don't think the Mormons see illegal immigration in quite the same light as other folks.

47 posted on 06/28/2006 2:49:14 PM PDT by Mike Darancette (Make them go home!!)
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To: Dane

"I will give Lonsberry some credit, he noticed and admitted that there is a world outside his echo chmaber"

Maybe u can invite him up the the Great Blue State for a Philly Cheese Steak.


48 posted on 06/28/2006 2:54:13 PM PDT by tennmountainman (o)
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To: Free Dominoes

Take out some of his Novice mistakes, The presidents phone calls
and you have a different ending.


49 posted on 06/28/2006 2:55:48 PM PDT by tennmountainman (o)
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To: Dane
Please Drier was being pummeled by John and Ken who have a microphone from a 50,000 watt station in Los Anglees. Then they also did bigtime cheerleading for Jim Gilchrist, both of the John and Ken candidates lost big.

Really? Hadn't noticed John and Ken doing much during the Sardo campaign, though I'm sure I'll be seeing Fire Dreier signs again this fall.

Pick any twenty people walking down the street in the 22nd, ask them who Sonny Sardo is, and virtually no one will know. Ask the same twenty who David Dreier is, and you'll see this was absolutely not based upon issues but on name recognition.
50 posted on 06/28/2006 2:56:09 PM PDT by kingu (Yeah, I'll vote in 2006, just as soon as a party comes along who listens.)
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