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German stereotypes of Poles
Radio Polonia ^ | 29.06.2006 | Slawek Szefs

Posted on 06/29/2006 11:36:36 AM PDT by lizol

German stereotypes of Poles

29.06.2006

They are car thieving, backward and unemployed who can’t play football, apparently.

Report by Slawek Szefs

Although their image has been changing for the better, Poles are still negatively perceived by most Germans and are not fully accepted in the country of their Western neighbors. Those are the conclusions of a six-year study published in a report by the Institute of Public Affairs in Warsaw.

In the eyes of an average German, Poles are mostly associated with car theft, cultural backwardness and unemployment. What's worse, they can't even play football! The latter opinion is fully justified, given the shameful performance of the Polish team in the first round of the World Cup tournament. However, it could be easily upgraded with a few wins of the national eleven, for instance, in the nearest European Championship qualifiers.

What remains disturbing are the stereotypes of Poles deeply imbedded in German minds, something that cannot be changed overnight thanks to some flashy performance. But an interesting aspect of the negative opinions is that they are shared by a majority of Germans who have never visited Poland, or had such opportunity a long, long time ago.

Konrad Schuller, Warsaw correspondent of Frankfurter Allgemeine, says this is a quite common exaggeration of an early Nineties memory when certain strata of Eastern societies spilled into what they perceived then as Western paradise.

' From among my friends in Berlin, very few have ever been to Poland. Though it is only a hundred kilometers away, if you ask people in Berlin how many of them have been to Poland, you might think it was a thousand kilometers! What you see of Poles is the black laborer on the German market, invited by a German to do black labor for mutual profit. So we have this stereotype, as this is what we see of our neighboring nation. Since few of us travel to Poland that is how our direct contacts with Poles tend to be in Germany.'

Doctor Kazimierz Woycicki, a Polish historian, considers the negative image of Poles being their own fault, because Poland does not show enough interest in promoting a different perception among Germans, especially the young generation, for instance in school curricula.

' In such a country, only a long-term program incorporated into the education system can change these stereotype views. More attention should be devoted to what information is being presented in German schools on the countries of Central Europe, on Poland and to enter into a serious discussion on the matter.'

Konrad Schuller agrees that little knowledge of Polish affairs is a contributing factor to forging false opinions. But as always, there are two sides to the coin.

' Germans are much less interested in Poland than Poles are interested in Germany, which has a negative and positive aspect. The negative one is that this kind of stereotype may develop. The positive aspect is that the German view of Poland is far less dominated by the past than the Polish view of Germany.'

However, growing two way unrestricted travel and common engagement of Poland and Germany in political and economic ventures will positively influence German perception of Poles, hopes Konrad Schuller.

' When border controls pass away between our countries, the relationship might get more relaxed. And, of course, Poland's economy is growing much more quickly than the German economy, so the stereotype of the Pole as a poor neighbor will vanish one day. Just as the stereotype of the Italian as a poor neighbor has vanished.'

And the sooner, the better. For all sides concerned.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: german; germans; germany; hatespeech; pc; poland; poles; polish; polishjokes; politicalcorrectness; politicallycorrect; racism; stereotypes

1 posted on 06/29/2006 11:36:37 AM PDT by lizol
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2 posted on 06/29/2006 11:40:10 AM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: lizol

black labor?


3 posted on 06/29/2006 11:44:50 AM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: lizol

"More attention should be devoted to what information is being presented in German schools on the countries of Central Europe, on Poland and to enter into a serious discussion on the matter."

I may be wrong but there is probably more self-criticism of the nation's past in American schools than in German schools.


4 posted on 06/29/2006 11:49:14 AM PDT by weegee (If fetal tissue is non-viable, then why are they trying to use it to stimulate cell production?)
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To: lizol

Yes, but they LOVE David Hasselhoff.


5 posted on 06/29/2006 11:50:31 AM PDT by waverna
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To: lizol

"...and they just sit there on their side of the border doing nothing. It taunts us."


6 posted on 06/29/2006 11:51:01 AM PDT by rogue yam
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To: Sonny M

Meaning black market, or quasi-legal employment.


7 posted on 06/29/2006 11:51:51 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: lizol

Yah, yah, ve need to invade tem, lak ve did in '39 under Der Furher!


8 posted on 06/29/2006 12:13:09 PM PDT by meandog (If I were to draw the odious Islamic prophet Muhammad, he would have horns, a tail, and a pitchfork!)
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To: lizol

It sounds like Germans are trying to revive Nazism, this time hatred against Poland, dreaming to invade Poland again.


9 posted on 06/29/2006 12:49:00 PM PDT by Wiz
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To: rmlew; Cacique

"This is not news to me" ping!


10 posted on 06/29/2006 12:49:36 PM PDT by Clemenza (The CFR ate my bilderburgers! Time to call for a trilateral commission to investigate!)
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To: lizol
OK let me have a try:

Germans: Welfare check collecting, beer swilling, nazis into sadistic porn who spend their disability checks and trips to Florida where they proceed to scare local children by wearing speedos, which barely cover their fat, sunburned bodies. Lets not forget that they have not won a war since that little conflict with France (a country my grandmother could defeat) over Alsace Lorraine.

I actually have been to Germany and loved the folks in Bavaria. I just hope that they can take being made fun of for their OWN shortcomings just as much as they like to dish it out.

The funny thing is that the Poles have the same stereotype of Russians that the Germans do of Poles. Except, of course, for the "all Russian women are prostitutes" stereotype. The last one is not true. Only about 85% of Russian women are prostis...

11 posted on 06/29/2006 12:54:53 PM PDT by Clemenza (The CFR ate my bilderburgers! Time to call for a trilateral commission to investigate!)
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To: Clemenza

This American's stereotype of Poles is that they tend to be big and burly and blond and stout in heart but alas lack some sort of "winning instinct" (despite the presence of many eminent Polish players on the Notre Dame and Nebraska football teams the past 125+ years).

This deal about "being courageous in defeat, pusillanimous in victory" sort of thing, from their history.

However, I hope I'm wrong.


12 posted on 06/29/2006 1:14:26 PM PDT by franksolich (bah humbug)
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To: lizol
Some things to consider? Maybe pave the way for more German and European tourism. Literally "pave". Germans have a high speed autobaun, but maybe there can be an extention of it in Poland that leads to tourist destinations. I suppose the price of products in Poland would be cheaper than those in Germany. That would give many shoppers reasons to make weekend trips into Poland to load up on goodies and spend some Euro.

Poland is nicely situated as a "silk" road to Western Europe. Much to the horror of VeeDub and his unpimped autos, perhaps Poland can be a Mecca for motor heads and quality aftermarket car and chopper modifications? Provide some quality race tracks and simplify raw materials import laws (maybe a very low flat rate tariff tax?) and Poles will have the opportunity to demonstrate their highly skilled work for finished products.



All life is a mission to lead souls to Jesus, so there shouldn't be any shame in advertising Salvation to European visitors. Anyone who's driven through the USA (especially the South) will see signs dedicated to spreading Christianity (even in spite of other polluted decadency).


13 posted on 06/29/2006 1:15:53 PM PDT by SaltyJoe (A mother's sorrowful heart and personal sacrifice redeems her lost child's soul.)
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To: franksolich
LOL. Being that most of the Polish side of my family are either successful business people (including a CEO and COO of major corporations) and those in the medical profession, I can't say that the stereotype resonates with me.

Actually, there was a survey of average IQs that came out a few months ago showing that Poles were in the top 5 WORLDWIDE and were second in Europe behind Sweden, I believe.

The important fact is that they were ahead of Germany!

14 posted on 06/29/2006 1:22:41 PM PDT by Clemenza (The CFR ate my bilderburgers! Time to call for a trilateral commission to investigate!)
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To: rogue yam
I don't know............

Looks like they are up to something!!!

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15 posted on 06/29/2006 1:28:33 PM PDT by freedombird
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To: Clemenza
The important fact is that they were ahead of Germany!

The important fact actually is that the Poles have a long and wonderful and distinguished history, a culture second to none, and their people remarkable in humanity.

But they must have been terribly defeated in some battle 500-1000 years ago, which forever marked their psyche.

This is not a trivial matter; most historians and sociologists trace the present-day Serb mentality and attitude to some crushing defeat suffered by them circa 740 years ago.

What has always gotten me was that Poland could have owned Russia, some time back during the later Middle Ages, but spurned the prize. Which of course was all too bad, because a Russia dominated by Poland then would have had a happier history since then.

16 posted on 06/29/2006 1:42:17 PM PDT by franksolich (bah humbug)
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To: lizol

17 posted on 06/29/2006 1:42:30 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: SaltyJoe

"Maybe pave the way for more German and European tourism."

Or maybe don't give a damn.


18 posted on 06/29/2006 1:43:53 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

Just for you:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?search=Polish+scba&v=Rmrr5FDfAzA

Oops, the video left the Lat/Long coordinates! Looked it up and here's the location:

http://www.google.com/maphp?hl=en&tab=wl&q=


19 posted on 06/29/2006 1:47:11 PM PDT by SaltyJoe (A mother's sorrowful heart and personal sacrifice redeems her lost child's soul.)
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To: waverna
I thought that was Austria? Or just his "singing"?

Funny, I watched the 50 worst songs last night, and they picked on Don Johnson, Will Smith, etc., but I don't recall Hasselhoff.

20 posted on 06/29/2006 1:58:59 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Grzegorz 246
New, updated version for this special occasion...;)


21 posted on 06/29/2006 2:02:08 PM PDT by twinself
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To: Calvin Locke
"Springtime for Hitler And Germany! Nightime for Poland and France!" from the "Producers" Mel Brooks original film.
22 posted on 06/29/2006 2:09:25 PM PDT by ABN 505
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To: Clemenza

I saw the same IQ survey that put the Poles a close second from the top, but it didn't surprise me. I've been to Poland often and have met enough people from Warsaw University to know that it has first class students and faculty. Given freedom, peace, and a little time, the Poles will well outdistance their neighbors.


23 posted on 06/29/2006 2:33:24 PM PDT by Malesherbes
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To: twinself
Thanks !

BTW:


24 posted on 06/29/2006 3:04:51 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: lizol

One thing that isn't considered is how thoroughly the Polish intelligentsia and business classes were wiped out by the Nazis and Soviets during WWII. And most who were able to flee into exile did not return to the country after the Soviet Puppet state was formed at the end of the war.

Add on 40 years of backward Communism and you have a country that is just now beginning to emerge from the terrible effects of WWII.

And I suspect that the German "Wessies" have the same opinions of their "Ossie" countrymen as they do of Poles.


25 posted on 06/29/2006 3:22:02 PM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: Grzegorz 246

LOL Knowledge of cyrlic alphabet from the primary school still helps.


26 posted on 06/29/2006 3:28:32 PM PDT by twinself
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To: twinself; Grzegorz 246

You mean NOMO? :-))))


27 posted on 06/29/2006 3:32:50 PM PDT by lizol (Liberal - a man with his mind open ... at both ends)
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To: lizol

Yeah, exactly.


28 posted on 06/29/2006 3:44:26 PM PDT by twinself
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To: lizol

(What's worse, they can't even play football!)

I wonder then how come Germany's two strikers (one of them leading the World Cup in scoring) are originally from Poland!


30 posted on 06/29/2006 7:07:25 PM PDT by winner3000
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To: Clemenza
In the eyes of an average German, Poles are mostly associated with car theft, cultural backwardness and unemployment.
I wonder what they think of the really bad untermenschen.
31 posted on 06/29/2006 10:49:21 PM PDT by rmlew (I'm a Goldwater Republican... Don Goldwater 2006!)
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To: weegee

You are wrong indeed. If you come over here, I can show you an average lesson of modern history.


32 posted on 06/29/2006 11:06:13 PM PDT by Michael81Dus (1954, 1974, 1990, 2006)
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To: winner3000

Would you give credit to the home countries of immigrants who have chosen to become Americans for the performance of these immigrants as Americans? No. So, Klose and Podolski are Germans. Period.


33 posted on 06/29/2006 11:10:26 PM PDT by Michael81Dus (1954, 1974, 1990, 2006)
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To: rmlew

Have you asked a German what he thinks about Islam? By the way, what´s "untermenschen" - isn´t that a dead word?


34 posted on 06/29/2006 11:11:46 PM PDT by Michael81Dus (1954, 1974, 1990, 2006)
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To: Michael81Dus

I agree. They are as much Polish as I am Tunesian. Smolarek is Polish.


35 posted on 06/29/2006 11:51:08 PM PDT by twinself
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To: twinself
"Smolarek is Polish."

Janas is Polish too. Unfortunately.
36 posted on 06/30/2006 2:43:46 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Wiz
I lived in Germany for four years (87-91) and find this article interesting. When I lived there Poland was just another Communist country that just emerged from Soviet dominance. I visited Poland on a tour in 89, and loved the country and its people. I also loved Germany. The irony is that the people are similar in many ways. Poles and Czechs are the most German of the Slavic peoples and share many values like hardworking natures. Many Germans from middle and northern Germany are not Catholic like the Poles. Poland has been occupied by Germany, Austria and Russia (Soviet Union) for much of the past 250 years, and was more agricultural than its neighbor to the West. There is a tendency for city folk to look down on their more bucolic neighbors.
I don't think Nazi hatred of Jews and Slavs is a problem in Germany, except a little in the former DDR.
You must remember that in general, Germans have always considered themselves special vis-a-vis other peoples. Under Nazism it became more than simple pride, it was horror. Germans still have a bit of that pride, but are much more into that Euro thing. Poland is catching up with Germany's standard of living, and if it avoids the anti-capitalist socialist restrains on its economy, it may very well surpass Germany.
37 posted on 06/30/2006 11:58:37 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Grzegorz 246
Janas is Polish too. Unfortunately.

LOL!

38 posted on 06/30/2006 12:00:12 PM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: franksolich
" lack some sort of "winning instinct" "

I don't think so, except of soccer football of course.
39 posted on 06/30/2006 3:01:54 PM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia
I don't think Nazi hatred of Jews and Slavs is a problem in Germany, except a little in the former DDR.

It seemed to me that in the DDR, they taught their people that the Nazis were only bad, because they were anti-Communist, and anti-Working class, etc. and not so much because of their racial policies. That probably explains the difference between how the Ossies and the Wessies view the Nazis.

40 posted on 06/30/2006 3:07:51 PM PDT by dfwgator (Florida Gators - 2006 NCAA Men's Basketball Champions)
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To: Grzegorz 246

That pic is just too funny!


41 posted on 06/30/2006 3:15:16 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (My head hurts.)
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To: dfwgator
You may have a point. The FRG made a significant effort to de-Nazify. It was an article of faith that the Nazis were evil and harmed Germany as well as their ethnic cleansing/genocide of Jews, Political Prisoners, Slavs, Gypsies and others. Also, in the DDR there was no freedom of expression, as in the West. When people acted out any neo-Nazism, the population in the West cringed and its people were ostracized. The communists just suppressed any dissent of any kind, and did not educated the people about the Nazi past.
42 posted on 06/30/2006 4:27:17 PM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: twinself
I agree. They are as much Polish as I am Tunesian. Smolarek is Polish.

Do you speak Arabic? :)

43 posted on 07/01/2006 2:15:02 PM PDT by Lukasz
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To: VeniVidiVici

http://brettlock.blogspot.com/2006/05/homo-pride-omoh-shame.html


44 posted on 07/03/2006 11:42:41 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Grzegorz 246

LOL! I have to send that to friends. Maybe they should write in in script. :-)


45 posted on 07/03/2006 7:53:59 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (My head hurts.)
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